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    Lets talk about sus

    I read people suggesting eod injections all the time, I used to do it myself. I read on post where the guy said do it ed for 5 weeks then switch to e3d, that way you'll but able to take full advantage of the prop in the sus.

    Lets be real here, is 30mg of prop going to do anything ed or eod? No, it's a waste, the whole idea of 2 short esters and to long esters isn't the best ides for what we're doing. We want a consistent level of test in out system during our cycle. Sus or the idea behind it seems logical when used for what it was made for, HRT in Europe.

    Think about it, prop is out of the system in 3-4 days, phenylprop 5-6 days. Then you jump to iso about 2 weeks, then decanate 3 weeks. You never have a consistent level of test in your system. If you want to added prop for a jump star at the beginning of the cycle, get enan or cyp and add 100mg of prop eod for the first 4 weeks, then you can do the same after your last injection of the long ester test for another 2-3 weeks and start PCT 3 days after the last prop injection.

    I know there's some of you that swear by sus and that great, all I'm saying is if you think by injecting ed or eod your going to get some type of advantage because of the prop, it's not going to happen. There just isn't enough in it to do anything.

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    Absolutely, would never use it. No need.

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    i've never used it but going to try it on my next cycle


    but the thing that's botherd me about sust is the PCT start time some say 18 i say 21

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    Quote Originally Posted by stocky121
    i've never used it but going to try it on my next cycle


    but the thing that's botherd me about sust is the PCT start time some say 18 i say 21
    It's 21, the decanate ester takes 3 weeks to clear the system.

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    Hey Johnny, Ive had bad injecting pain with prop. Would mixing it with some enanthate or cyp help this? thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyB
    It's 21, the decanate ester takes 3 weeks to clear the system.

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    so why does pheedno state its 18??

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    sust is great. <=-=-

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    i have no use for sust....never understood y so many people like it... prop is the shit... ed injections do start to suck after awhile though... but it's a trade off i am willing to accept....

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    good posting. i dont like the idea of test levels fluctuating all over the place for 12+ weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tranzit
    sust is great. <=-=-
    I gotta admit... I love how quickly it works...and how well it works also...
    wut up Tranz..

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    to my knowledge prop is not out of ur system in 3-4 days.. its half life is somethign like that but a part of it stays active for a longer time.. after a week there is still some test from the prop being released. Im not saying that this should change anything that has been suggested.. IMO its just not correct to say that test P clears ur system in 3-4 days.

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    I actually thought it was longer than that myself...

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    Prop is beter then them all I don't care to wait 4 weeks for something to kick in...Prop is felt with in the first 10days quite measuarably I must say. As for pain with prop yes its there but don't be a sissy..No need for sust plus I'm athlete and its in your system way to long...

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    i think people go with sust, because in the effectiveness chart, it's the one with the most ** on ability to keep gain, there 2** use to have 3***...wend i did my first cycle i choose that way...

    good post better way to convice my friend to stay with 1 compound!


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    i think those charts are nonsense.. anyhoo

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    Quote Originally Posted by booz
    so why does pheedno state its 18??
    On this subject, why does Hooker's profile on EQ state its active life is 15 days, when PCT starts 21 days after the last administration?

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199802

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    I would also like to know how do ppl come up wth these optimal times to start PCT since the active half-life is the tinme when HALF of the drug is still active and when another half life passes there should still be approximately half of the previous amount.. Is it enough that the concentration is low enough not to cause inhibition, and if so what is the limit..

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    good post this has me sticking to the single ester tests i wanted to try sust to see how i react to it but now that i think about it if i want the same type of results i can just kickstart with prop for the first 4 weeks and then use E or C

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    Quote Originally Posted by goalseeker
    Hey Johnny, Ive had bad injecting pain with prop. Would mixing it with some enanthate or cyp help this? thx
    it depends, if you're allergic to it, No it won't help. If it was because it has to much BA, then it could help

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    Quote Originally Posted by booz
    so why does pheedno state its 18??
    I don't know, you can ask him. But the standard is 21, norandrolone or what we call deca, because of the ester is 21, because it has the decanate ester.

    JohnnyB

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    lol edit you got there before me JB!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tranzit
    sust is great. <=-=-
    I'm going to say you're in the "I like it" category

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    well.. I had the same inj pain for 14 weeks. Now Im running test c and deca, with no pain whatsoever. Thats why I was thinking of trying some prop mixed in, so I can start tofeel something. Its the start of week 4 and Im still waiting patiently.. Maybe i should try it to find out...

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    personally i do not like sus!but that is moi!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by booz
    personally i do not like sus!but that is moi!!
    why not booz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goalseeker
    I gotta admit... I love how quickly it works...and how well it works also...
    wut up Tranz..
    have you ever tried using enan or cyp and adding prop at 100mg eod for the first 4 weeks. I think you might find it to work as well or better, try it once and see what hppens

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    well at the cost of me soundin like a Parrot,i agree with JB,i dont like all the different esters jumping around inside me playing with my blood levels when one of the single estered versions will do just the same if not better because it is more stable to your blood levels!jmo mate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto
    On this subject, why does Hooker's profile on EQ state its active life is 15 days, when PCT starts 21 days after the last administration?

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199802
    we all can make a typo or have some different info that brings us to a different conclusion. EQ is a longer ester then deca so I'd go with 21

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyB
    we all can make a typo or have some different info that brings us to a different conclusion. EQ is a longer ester then deca so I'd go with 21

    JohnnyB
    Not al off us mak typoss....I domt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stupidhippo
    I would also like to know how do ppl come up wth these optimal times to start PCT since the active half-life is the tinme when HALF of the drug is still active and when another half life passes there should still be approximately half of the previous amount.. Is it enough that the concentration is low enough not to cause inhibition, and if so what is the limit..
    You bring up a very good point, the level of hormone isn't going to be at PCT levels in 21 day if you're using 1000mg of sus, EQ or deca. If I was running my doses that high I'd use prop at 100mg eod for 5 weeks, then start PCT and of course HCG would be in that cycle from day one

    JohnnyB

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    Quote Originally Posted by booz
    lol edit you got there before me JB!!
    You mean this old man is quicker then you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto
    Not al off us mak typoss....I domt.
    ...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by goalseeker
    well.. I had the same inj pain for 14 weeks. Now Im running test c and deca, with no pain whatsoever. Thats why I was thinking of trying some prop mixed in, so I can start tofeel something. Its the start of week 4 and Im still waiting patiently.. Maybe i should try it to find out...
    Give it a shot no pun intended

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    Quote Originally Posted by goalseeker
    ...lol
    Couldnt resist it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swifto
    Not al off us mak typoss....I domt.
    And you're humble too

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyB
    Give it a shot no pun intended

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    ... no probs mixing all three in the same shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by booz
    well at the cost of me soundin like a Parrot,i agree with JB,i dont like all the different esters jumping around inside me playing with my blood levels when one of the single estered versions will do just the same if not better because it is more stable to your blood levels!jmo mate!
    I not saying Bros that use sus are not informed, just I don't see the reasoning behind the eod or ed injection because of the prop. Don't get me wrong I used to give the same advise, but once I thought about it, there just isn't enough to make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goalseeker
    ... no probs mixing all three in the same shot?
    As long as there's room

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyB
    You mean this old man is quicker then you

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    you are tonight my friend,i have not slept the past 3 nights my youngest is teethin very badly,am a little fvcked to say the least!!god i hope she sleeps tonight!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by booz
    you are tonight my friend,i have not slept the past 3 nights my youngest is teethin very badly,am a little fvcked to say the least!!god i hope she sleeps tonight!!
    I feel for you Bro, I remember those days, children are a blessing

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