Equipoise only cycle

[Safety31]

I have been doing research on an Equipoise only cycle...places ive seen cycles are anywhere from 150mg-500mg each week with injections every other day...now 150-500 is a big difference and i was thinking of doing 200mg each week with 50mg injections every other day..but then i read a recommened cycle to be 500mg each week so im kinda confused on what i should do...also i really dont want to take anything with it but i was thinking about maybe some oral winstrol or anavar with it but thats just a suggestion..also with pct i was gonna do some clomid and nolva but the dosages and how long i should do it were alittle unclear also....as far as taking some test with it i dont wanna take any test because im not trying to retain alot of water and i dont want the risk of gyno to increase...so any input on my cycle would be great...also the length of cycle is something im unsure of...

[mkrulic]

Test MUST go w/ anything you do. I suggest 1:1 ratio. and I'd be surprised if anyone suggested 150mg/week. I ran 600mg/week and thought it was a waste of money. most people run 600 - 1000mg/week.

[Safety31]

well i got the 500mg a week from the steroid.com site...and even on the sample novice cycles it shows doing a Equipoise cycle by itself with winstrol...and ive read alot that you can take eq by itself because it doesnt shut you down that much

[mkrulic]

well i got the 500mg a week from the steroid.com site...and even on the sample novice cycles it shows doing a Equipoise cycle by itself with winstrol...and ive read alot that you can take eq by itself because it doesnt shut you down that much

That contradicts everything I've ever read about this hormone. test goes w/ everything.
what do you want to gain from this run? I'd bet eq is not your best option but if you've already got the gear live and learn

[Safety31]

im not trying to gain alot of weight just mostly harden up and increase my strength.and also keep alot of my gains

[mkrulic]

im not trying to gain alot of weight just mostly harden up and increase my strength.and also keep alot of my gains

you won't get this from an eq only cycle. unless you are already lean you won't get much out of the winstrol either. need the test.

[Safety31]

wtf???dude then what does eq do then...EVERYTHING ive read says eq is used for slow but solid muscle gains and alot of muscle hardness without the high water retention or gyno??same with winstrol....i get why your sayin to take test so that i dont get shut down but why are u saying by taking eq what i wanted as results wouldnt happen...what do you think would happen if i took it??im like 5'9 215 right now about at 19% bf...

[mkrulic]

If you're already lean you'll see more vascularity. as far as hardness you'd get that from the test anyway. I think it's worthless but then again my body fat % might be a little too high to really get anything out of these coumpounds.
bottom line, if you want lean quality gains you need to keep your diet in check.

[Safety31]

dude if i wanted diet advice i would go to the diet forum..oviously your body and my body arent alike so why would you tell me to do something or not to do something when we are completely different...given what eq does when you take it all i wanted to know was how much i should take and for how long..in my initial post i said i wasnt going to take a test either..but you seem to comment on taking test when i said i wouldnt in the beginning...of course if your a fat ass i wouldnt think eq would do anything to you either and i could see why u thought it was worthless...also like i said before also ..I DONT WANT TO RETAIN WATER...I DONT WANT TO RISK GYNO!!!!but you keep saying take test take test..weve already established i want to do a eq only cycle so stop meantioning taking test..i already know about test and why you think i should take it so leave it alone

[sp9]

My advice. EQ will shut you down unless you are 1 in 100000 genetically speaking. U need at least a maintenance dose of test 200-300mg if you want to have both the mental and physical benefits of having test in your system. If you try EQ by itself, I hope you don't plan on having much of a sex life while using it.

[Safety31]

ok well i was thinkin before of doing a test e only cycle of 250mg each week but i just didnt like what it would do for me...seemed more negative then positive and then it seems like i will lose everything when im done..so whats the real positive of taking test

[mkrulic]

wow, try to help an m'fer.
good luck w/ this run. make sure and start a thread after it's over w/ entitled why you shouldn't run an eq only cycle.

[sp9]

Also you would get no bloat from test prop, you could inject a little of it eod with your EQ, just enough to have some in your system, and it won't be an overwhelming amount that will induce gyno. You should be able to combat gyno with nolva should it happen. Since prop is a fast acting test if you stop using it, it will be out of your system in 3 days and drop like a rock from day one of missing a single shot.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Steroids will not burn fat!

Cardio and diet do.

So if your looking to lose weight for spring break become good friends with a treadmill and the diet forum.

[sp9]

test gains are keepable with proper pct diet and workouts.

[sp9]

You mentioned anavar as well. Test and anavar is a great cycle, test and eq is a great cycle. I had an easier time keeping gains with test and eq vs test alone. Heard the same thing with test anavar which I want to try next.

[testosterona]

you can run eq alone if you want, although it's not optimal. you will get what your looiking for....increased strength, hardness, vascularity, asumming your diet is in check. run some proviron with it to aid your libido.

[Safety31]

sp thanks for the advice..how much test p should i put in eod with the eq...so should i do like 150mg eod with eq then how much test p?

[Safety31]

i did an anavar only cycle and didnt really get much from it

[Hellmaskbanned]

you can run eq alone if you want, although it's not optimal. you will get what your looiking for....increased strength, hardness, vascularity, asumming your diet is in check. run some proviron with it to aid your libido.

He's not going to see much vascularity and hardness if he's got a layer of fat covering his muscles.

Before doing any cycle, train and diet to get under 15%BF

[TheMudMan]

dude if i wanted diet advice i would go to the diet forum..oviously your body and my body arent alike so why would you tell me to do something or not to do something when we are completely different...given what eq does when you take it all i wanted to know was how much i should take and for how long..in my initial post i said i wasnt going to take a test either..but you seem to comment on taking test when i said i wouldnt in the beginning...of course if your a fat ass i wouldnt think eq would do anything to you either and i could see why u thought it was worthless...also like i said before also ..I DONT WANT TO RETAIN WATER...I DONT WANT TO RISK GYNO!!!!but you keep saying take test take test..weve already established i want to do a eq only cycle so stop meantioning taking test..i already know about test and why you think i should take it so leave it alone

Take a breather...... he's only trying to help you and some of the advice was given is true. Also, no need to call him names.

You will need to run the EQ for at least 12 weeks at over 600mg/wk or so to see decent results. EQ is a mild compound but it will shut you down and in some (it's rare) will cause decrease in sex drive when ran without test. When I run EQ I get very vascular but I don't see much size from it...... it's the other compounds I use that puts muscle on.

If your body fat is lower (9% or lower) then winny would be your best choice over anavar.

Another thing you can use test and not risk getting gyno and also not retaining water by using an anti-e like letro......... also prop will make you hold almost no water if any at all.

IMO running EQ and Winny will shut you down and you might find you will have libido problems without test.

[sp9]

minimum I would run for the week is 200-300 test, so pick something that eod adds up to about that for the week. Somehthing like 75 to 100 mg eod.

Disclaimer. I don't recommend anyone do a cycle until a minimum of 23-24 years old.

[Safety31]

i can get under 15 no problem..i was planning on running a cutting diet while i was taking the eq but since you said get to under 15 before you take anything its kinda making me hesitate on taking anything before i get to that lower bf level..but the test p sounds good...what i think im going to do is do 600mg of eq with added 50mg of test p in each dosage...so like 150mg of eq and 50mg of testp eod.....and should i run nolva during or just after along with some clomid?

[mkrulic]

dude if i wanted diet advice i would go to the diet forum..oviously your body and my body arent alike so why would you tell me to do something or not to do something when we are completely different...given what eq does when you take it all i wanted to know was how much i should take and for how long..in my initial post i said i wasnt going to take a test either..but you seem to comment on taking test when i said i wouldnt in the beginning...of course if your a fat ass i wouldnt think eq would do anything to you either and i could see why u thought it was worthless...also like i said before also ..I DONT WANT TO RETAIN WATER...I DONT WANT TO RISK GYNO!!!!but you keep saying take test take test..weve already established i want to do a eq only cycle so stop meantioning taking test..i already know about test and why you think i should take it so leave it alone

I'm going to pick this apart cause it's the most ignorant thing I've ever read.
"dude if i wanted diet advice i would go to the diet forum"
then don't mention anything about wanting to get hard or what not. that's like waving a flag that says I think steriods will make me loose weight.
".oviously your body and my body arent alike so why would you tell me to do something or not to do something when we are completely different"
I see, you need someone w/ the exact same body type as you to give you advice on a hormone. well what body type are you? are you in the single digits bf% cause if not you won't see that hardness from the hormones you are proposing to run.
"but you seem to comment on taking test when i said i wouldnt in the beginning."
the test is for your own benifit. the reason I suggest it is because every day there are a truck load of knuckle heads that get on this site that say they want to run a deca only cycle or a win only cycle. whatever dude chemically castrate yourself, what do I care.
I don't have time to pick this apart any longer.

[Safety31]

well dude the only thing i feel like picking is my nose and fligging a bugger at you...your a fat idiot and id appreciate it if youd leave your unhelpful comments to yourself...

[TheMudMan]

i can get under 15 no problem..i was planning on running a cutting diet while i was taking the eq but since you said get to under 15 before you take anything its kinda making me hesitate on taking anything before i get to that lower bf level..but the test p sounds good...what i think im going to do is do 600mg of eq with added 50mg of test p in each dosage...so like 150mg of eq and 50mg of testp eod.....and should i run nolva during or just after along with some clomid?

What's your cycle history? There are a lot better cycles to run that will get youto your goals.

[mkrulic]

well dude the only thing i feel like picking is my nose and fligging a bugger at you...your a fat idiot and id appreciate it if youd leave your unhelpful comments to yourself...

I'm at 21% body fat. that's only a couple points higher than you. and everone else seemed to reiterate what I've been saying so why don't you just eat that bugger. no sense in changing up now.

[mkrulic]

and it's not anyones fault but your own that you don't know jack about steroids. It sure doesn't help that you put down anyone who tries to help you.

[TheMudMan]

and it's not anyones fault but your own that you don't know jack about steroids. It sure doesn't help that you put down anyone who tries to help you.

Stop ......... damn let it go already. He was told that what he said to you was wrong and now you're going to run your mouth.......

[mkrulic]

Stop ......... damn let it go already. He was told that what he said to you was wrong and now you're going to run your mouth.......

I missed that. could you quote where he said he was wrong

[TheMudMan]

I missed that. could you quote where he said he was wrong

I said he was wrong for what he wrote to you.................. now let it go. Anyway why do you need to see it if he did say he was wrong? I do not want this thread filled with garbage because of you 2 bickering and I asked you to stop.