3rd cycle, just looking for opinions

[Ih8urdsm]

This is going to be my 3rd cycle (im 27 since i know that will be asked), and i dont consider myself a newbie or anything like that and have a good amount of knowledge on steroids and post cycle therapy, just looking for opinions from people that might of run a similar cycle
1st cycle was 500mg of Test E a week for 12 weeks
30mg of dbol for week 1-4
10mg a day of nolva throughout
clomid tapering and nolva for pct.

2nd cycle was 750mg of Test a week for 10 weeks
400mg of deca 10 weeks
40mg of dbol for week 1-4
nolva,vitamin b6, milk thistle etc. throughout
nolva and clomid for pct...

for my 3rd i was going to step it up to 1000mg of Test E a week (1g) for 10-12 weeks
300 mg of deca for 10 weeks (since its going to be a 10ml 300mg/ml bottle)
and 40mg of dbol for weeks 1-4

But i was thinking about adding one more bottle of Deca, and running 600mg a week for 10 weeks, instead of 300, since i ran 400mg last time.

600mg of deca a week isnt too much is it? I've never had an issue w/ bad sides or anything. I've always had acne growing up, and i dont think it get much worse on a cycle, maybe just a little...if anything i think it just gets worse during pct for me.

was considering adding winny and just running the 300mg of deca instead of 600mg, not sure weighing options

[joeben22]

I would get a second bottle of deca and run it for at least 12 weeks (i would go 15). Run your test longer so you would have to adjust your test dosage depending on how many weeks you decide to go.

[hosam4ever]

i think 1 g for 3rd cycle is much for u
week 1-14 750 mg test
week 1-12 600 mg deca
week 1-4 50 mg dbol
run b6 @ 200 mg ed beside nolva & ur pct

[Ih8urdsm]

i think 1 g for 3rd cycle is much for u
week 1-14 750 mg test
week 1-12 600 mg deca
week 1-4 50 mg dbol
run b6 @ 200 mg ed beside nolva & ur pct

thanks for the advice...since i'd have 4 bottles of Test E 10ml/250mg each, you would suggest running 750mg for 14 weeks ( i didnt do the math yet, to see if i'd have enough), as opposed to 1g for just 10 weeks.

i think the deca is dosed at 10ml/300mg/ml if i remember correctly, so i'd only have enough for 10 weeks, cause i dont know if i'd want to buy another bottle for the 2 weeks..i gotta see the funds lol

ok, and i'll step up the dbol, thats cheap

Thanks a lot for the advice.

[Booz]

why have you jumped up that much for your early cycles mate??there was no need for that,you could have still gained quite a bit with 500mg test weekly even for your third.just addin some extra bits in there,i mean the last 2-3 years i have been using 1g or just over,and i have quite a bit of cycle exp under the old belt!

[Ih8urdsm]

ok, so im getting that i'd be better off running less than 1g of Test E, but for a longer period of time.
so would i also be wise to adjust the deca amounts to run atleast 12 weeks if im going to run the test e for 14

[hosam4ever]

dont start ur cycle unless u have every thing on hand

[Ih8urdsm]

dont start ur cycle unless u have every thing on hand

no doubt. I have my pct on hand but dont have any of the other yet, im still debating on what to order. I dont ever start till im completely ready and have everything planned out. I have my source and prices, but havent finalized what im going to do yet, so still in planning schedule phase.

[hosam4ever]

well good luck bro

[Ih8urdsm]

well good luck bro

sorry to keep bothering you, but im i right in thinking that that the advice is that ill benefit more from running lower dose for longer period than larger dose for shorter duration?

[hosam4ever]

the matter of period depends on the ester ur using in ur cycle

[nitro_fusion]

what about sust/deca/dbol for your third

[sp9]

I agree with the comments on doses of test being high. If you go with that recommended cycle, or any with test e/deca, get a hold of some prop. Instead of taking your last shot of test e 2 weeks before pct and waiting for pct, swithc over to prop for those two weeks in between. Don't waste the time between them. Keep the short ester test in there so you still have an optimal growing environment for 2 more weeks and get to start PCT the same day.

I don't like ed shots but 14 of them is not too bad.

Will be starting a 5th cycle April 1 and test e will be at 600mg EW.

[Ih8urdsm]

bump

[1buffsob]

I would go with the general consensus and run 750mg a week. 1g seems a bit much for your history. If you have 4 10ml bottles at 250mg/ml you should be able to do it for roughly 13 weeks.

[Ih8urdsm]

do you think i would be good with running the deca at 600mg for 10 weeks if im running the test e at 750mg for 13 weeks.
I'd still want to start the clomid 2 weeks after last shot of test e right, not worrying about when i ended the deca?...

Thanks.

[topvega]

do you think i would be good with running the deca at 600mg for 10 weeks if im running the test e at 750mg for 13 weeks.
I'd still want to start the clomid 2 weeks after last shot of test e right, not worrying about when i ended the deca?...

Thanks.

I wld work it out so that u run the deca for at least 12 weeks to get the full benefit of it.... running the test longer of course....

[goalseeker]

I wld work it out so that u run the deca for at least 12 weeks to get the full benefit of it.... running the test longer of course....

... I agree with Vega...

[Ih8urdsm]

So what if i adjust the Test E amount to run for 14-15 weeks, and adjust the deca to less than 600mg a week, to make it for 12 weeks...its just that the deca is 10ml 300mg/ml, and i was planning on buying 2 bottles...I have only ran 400mg a week in my previous cycle, so 600mg wouldnt be necessary would it? I could prob run 500mg a week and have enough for the 12 weeks.

[topvega]

So what if i adjust the Test E amount to run for 14-15 weeks, and adjust the deca to less than 600mg a week, to make it for 12 weeks...its just that the deca is 10ml 300mg/ml, and i was planning on buying 2 bottles...I have only ran 400mg a week in my previous cycle, so 600mg wouldnt be necessary would it? I could prob run 500mg a week and have enough for the 12 weeks.

That wld work...

[flabbywussy]

i would spread the test dose out longer say 14 weeks at a lower dose up the deca to 600 and add something else like ur dbols 50mg/day or...

this is ur 3rd so i say if u had the money run tren 350-500/wk with test the results will be astounding.

[Ih8urdsm]

Thanks for all the help guys. Ive decided on:

Week 1-4 50mg Dbol/day
Week 1-14 750mg Test E (will extend to 15 if i have enough gear left)
Week 1-12 500mg Deca (2 bottles 10ml, 300mg/ml)

(10-20mg nolva/day)
nolva/clomid pct like always

I know its hard to say, but anybody want to take a stab at what weight gains i could expect? I mean i have some ideas of my own, and i know most of it will still depend on my diet and protein intake, but again, im not a nuB. im actually a personal trainer, so im usually pretty good and consistant on that front...on my 2nd cycle if i remember correctly i gained 17lbs and kept 15, but did have some issues towards the end of that cycle that did hurt me, and i actually couldnt even train the last 2-3 weeks of it

ill post some before and after pics somewhere on this site after i get my gear and am ready to start.

Thanks again for the help from all of you. I do appreciate it.

also, i ran the basic clomid therapy listed here on my last...is this recommended for this cycle or is there a different schedule i should follow with the higher dose?

Clomid Therapy

Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 Day 7
Week 1 300 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg
Week 2 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg
Week 3 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg

[Ih8urdsm]

bump for opinions on PCT schedule.

[Swifto]

Thanks for all the help guys. Ive decided on:

Week 1-4 50mg Dbol/day
Week 1-14 750mg Test E (will extend to 15 if i have enough gear left)
Week 1-12 500mg Deca (2 bottles 10ml, 300mg/ml)

(10-20mg nolva/day)
nolva/clomid pct like always

I know its hard to say, but anybody want to take a stab at what weight gains i could expect? I mean i have some ideas of my own, and i know most of it will still depend on my diet and protein intake, but again, im not a nuB. im actually a personal trainer, so im usually pretty good and consistant on that front...on my 2nd cycle if i remember correctly i gained 17lbs and kept 15, but did have some issues towards the end of that cycle that did hurt me, and i actually couldnt even train the last 2-3 weeks of it

ill post some before and after pics somewhere on this site after i get my gear and am ready to start.

Thanks again for the help from all of you. I do appreciate it.

also, i ran the basic clomid therapy listed here on my last...is this recommended for this cycle or is there a different schedule i should follow with the higher dose?

Clomid Therapy

Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 Day 7
Week 1 300 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg
Week 2 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg
Week 3 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg

Still needs work but nealry there.

Test needs to be run 1 week longer than the Deca so PCT start times match up. PCT starts 14 days after last Test Enan shot and 21 days after last Deca shot.

You have nothing in place to combat progesterone related sides. Add Letro or L-Dex to the cycle reducing estrogen levels, in turn, controlling progesterone related sides, such as, gyno. Run an effective AI throughout and Vit-B6 100-200mg/ED. Dont exceed this dose as it will have negative effects on your CNS. Nolva shoudl be kept on hand and an AI run throughout. Nolva is run at 20-60mg/ED if estrogen related sides arise.

If Clomid/Nolva works for you, leave it that way. I'd add Proviron at 50mg/ED though. To mask any labido problems whilst helping raise levels of LH/FSH.

[Ih8urdsm]

Still needs work but nealry there.

Test needs to be run 1 week longer than the Deca so PCT start times match up. PCT starts 14 days after last Test Enan shot and 21 days after last Deca shot.

You have nothing in place to combat progesterone related sides. Add Letro or L-Dex to the cycle reducing estrogen levels, in turn, controlling progesterone related sides, such as, gyno. Run an effective AI throughout and Vit-B6 100-200mg/ED. Dont exceed this dose as it will have negative effects on your CNS. Nolva shoudl be kept on hand and an AI run throughout. Nolva is run at 20-60mg/ED if estrogen related sides arise.

If Clomid/Nolva works for you, leave it that way. I'd add Proviron at 50mg/ED though. To mask any labido problems whilst helping raise levels of LH/FSH.

some people up top suggested running the Test E for 2 weeks longer than deca, but your saying just run it for 1 week longer? so if im going to run deca for 12, just run the test E for 13 is what you suggest (i know some said run the test for 14 weeks)? I was going to run b6 at 200mg, which i did on my previous cycle, but i didnt run any letro or l-dex...its not an issue to get that, can you suggest an amount to run through the cycle? I just ran nolva throughout w/ the b6 last time.
Is there a benefit of running ldex over letro, or vice versa? (letro is a little easier to get since the site i'll be getting my clomid and nolva from sells letro, but i can get ldex from lion if there is a benefit of that.)
Proviron isnt something im familiar with, as i have only run the nolva/clomid for pct and not had any problems...especially labido

thanks for your response and help.

[Swifto]

You could add HCG and run it throughout at 250-1000ius/E4D. Or run it the final 14/21 days leading to PCT at 500ius/ED.