Question on AAS fatigue

[Mike Dura]

The last two cycles I've done which were both oral I experienced fatigue and lethargy. These were M1T and superdrol. I've done dianabol and deca with no fatigue back in the late 80's. So are orals in general associated with fatigue? Is it a highly individualized thing? Does it relate to toxicity? Does anyone know anything about AAS and fatigue/lethargy in general? I have feeling tired and it affects my workouts and sense of well being.

[cyclist2173]

Mike,

I don't know what it is. I am on week 3 or Primo and I feel like I am in slow motion. Very odd. I am thinking I have some sort of virus, because I get no reaction at my inj. site and I heard the BA content of my Primo is like 5%...which should kill any bacterial growth. My BP is OK. The only way I might be able to pinpoint it is to do a blood draw and a full spectrum screening. If it continues...I just might do that.

That being said, i have used AAS in the past with EPO and felt great. I am not advising you do this just to feel perky...just providing you with some relevant data.

[BajanBastard]

M1T and SD it's no wonder you felt like shit, those are toxic drugs.

[longhorn814]

M1T is known for lethargy..its quite a supressive drug..perhaps the fact that you were younger when u did the other stuff is the reason you didnt feel as bad

[Mike Dura]

What is EPO?

Mike,

I don't know what it is. I am on week 3 or Primo and I feel like I am in slow motion. Very odd. I am thinking I have some sort of virus, because I get no reaction at my inj. site and I heard the BA content of my Primo is like 5%...which should kill any bacterial growth. My BP is OK. The only way I might be able to pinpoint it is to do a blood draw and a full spectrum screening. If it continues...I just might do that.

That being said, i have used AAS in the past with EPO and felt great. I am not advising you do this just to feel perky...just providing you with some relevant data.

[Killzone]

I am no expert but I tend to feel fatigued at all times when I am on. I don't no if it the hormones or what but I am yawning all day in the gym when on. I seem to get tired quicker in my workouts as well. Your not alone for sure. I wish I could give you some scientific background on it but I can't. Sorry

[Mike Dura]

What are you using?

I am no expert but I tend to feel fatigued at all times when I am on. I don't no if it the hormones or what but I am yawning all day in the gym when on. I seem to get tired quicker in my workouts as well. Your not alone for sure. I wish I could give you some scientific background on it but I can't. Sorry

[D7M]

i feel lethargic on cycles...even on test.

[Mike Dura]

Well let's put it this way, what AAS makes one feel good? That should be a thread.

i feel lethargic on cycles...even on test.

[ProteinFart]

I had this issue also. I've only started my second cycle a few ago but about a week in I felt lethargic real bad. I asked around and a few people said I'm not getting my REM at night (Deep sleep - Rapid Eye Movement). So they recommended I take some 5htp before I go to bed. This equals out your serotonin (If it's unbalanced) also. If that doesn't work even some Nyquil or Benedril or whatever. I tell you that since then I wake up feeling great and my days are full of energy ever since.
Sounds too simple I know but worked for me.
Just my 2 cents.

[Pooks]

Could be the Liver. Orals are less friendly to the liver than the injectibles.

A friend of mine recently, she's took too many Tylenol PM's i think.
anyways, her liver was overburdened she became kinda ill.
so all she wanted to do is sleep it all. It made her tired n sleepy.
It wasn't getting any better for her, so luckily she ended up going to a hospital and they pinpointed it to the liver, and she's well now.

[cyclist2173]

AAS fatigue sucks...especially if you are an athlete rather than a gym rat.

ProteinFart- Not to be a wise ass, but farts are not created by protein...they are created by your inability to digest carbohydrate which is eventually digested by the bacteria in your colon. The bi-product of the carbohydrate being digested by the bacteria is vitamins and yes gas. Typically the type of carbohydrates that produce gas are certain hard to digest sugars (raffinose from beans, lactose from milk) or undigestable fiber. The protein that you think causes gas is usually the lactose sugar that is still present. Sometimes we overwhelm our digestive capabilities by overeating and therefore this undigested carbohydrate part of that meal will also produce gas. One of the common misconceptions is that meat causes gas by "rotting" in your gut. That one was passed on to me by my parents through my adolescence to eatly adulthood.

Anyhow, there you go....the science of fart

[ProteinFart]

AAS fatigue sucks...especially if you are an athlete rather than a gym rat.

ProteinFart- Not to be a wise ass, but farts are not created by protein...they are created by your inability to digest carbohydrate which is eventually digested by the bacteria in your colon. The bi-product of the carbohydrate being digested by the bacteria is vitamins and yes gas. Typically the type of carbohydrates that produce gas are certain hard to digest sugars (raffinose from beans, lactose from milk) or undigestable fiber. The protein that you think causes gas is usually the lactose sugar that is still present. Sometimes we overwhelm our digestive capabilities by overeating and therefore this undigested carbohydrate part of that meal will also produce gas. One of the common misconceptions is that meat causes gas by "rotting" in your gut. That one was passed on to me by my parents through my adolescence to eatly adulthood.

Anyhow, there you go....the science of fart

I'm actually still reeling over the fact that this has even been analyzed. Science never sleeps does it?
Ok kids, next we're going to study the cleansing effects of urine based on it's dielectric strength and inter-facial tension!
hehehe Love it!
But at the end of the day, it's a term I didn't create, just re-purposed as my handle on a board.
Not that I didn't love hearing the breakdown of a fart (No, seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I LOVE useless knowledge like that!)

[cyclist2173]

I'm actually still reeling over the fact that this has even been analyzed. Science never sleeps does it?
Ok kids, next we're going to study the cleansing effects of urine based on it's dielectric strength and inter-facial tension!
hehehe Love it!
But at the end of the day, it's a term I didn't create, just re-purposed as my handle on a board.
Not that I didn't love hearing the breakdown of a fart (No, seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I LOVE useless knowledge like that!)

I thought you might get a kick on that one. But seriously, this is something I have learned (during the nutrition phase) and it stuck with me. It helps to avoid any potential uncomfortable situations (i.e big date tonight). But, I can also use it to my advantage should any buddies want to get in a gas war. In other words...dont fvck with me guys!

Regardless, I love to entertain

[Ih8urdsm]

The last two cycles I've done which were both oral I experienced fatigue and lethargy. These were M1T and superdrol. I've done dianabol and deca with no fatigue back in the late 80's. So are orals in general associated with fatigue? Is it a highly individualized thing? Does it relate to toxicity? Does anyone know anything about AAS and fatigue/lethargy in general? I have feeling tired and it affects my workouts and sense of well being.

Interesting, I just read an article on this today, in Muscular Development, January 2006 issue...volume 43 number 1...

It was called "Steroid Faitgue: A Proposed Explanation", Let me first state that it does state in the article that more research needs to be done...

But it states that most steroid fatigue cases always involved one of two scenarios: "I was either taking a strong aromatise inhibitor, or I was taking a non-aromatizable steroids exclusively. The obvious link in both cases seems to be the suppression of estrogen levels. I was either suppressing estrogen with an aromatase inhibitor, or i was suppressing its precursor (testosterone). And indeed, adding n a little test or dropping the AI always seemed to fix the problem"

Now thats just one quote from the article, but its probrobly worth reading if you can fine it.

I will also state that i had extreme fatigue at the end of my previous cycle of Dbol/Test/ DEca, and it took a while to recover and i wasnt taking a strong AI, just nolva during cycle, but it was probrobly from the suppressive nature of deca.

Just see if you can find that aritcle, because it goes more into Serotonin and brain functions

[cyclist2173]

Interesting, I just read an article on this today, in Muscular Development, January 2006 issue...volume 43 number 1...

It was called "Steroid Faitgue: A Proposed Explanation", Let me first state that it does state in the article that more research needs to be done...

But it states that most steroid fatigue cases always involved one of two scenarios: "I was either taking a strong aromatise inhibitor, or I was taking a non-aromatizable steroids exclusively. The obvious link in both cases seems to be the suppression of estrogen levels. I was either suppressing estrogen with an aromatase inhibitor, or i was suppressing its precursor (testosterone). And indeed, adding n a little test or dropping the AI always seemed to fix the problem"

Now thats just one quote from the article, but its probrobly worth reading if you can fine it.

I will also state that i had extreme fatigue at the end of my previous cycle of Dbol/Test/ DEca, and it took a while to recover and i wasnt taking a strong AI, just nolva during cycle, but it was probrobly from the suppressive nature of deca.

Just see if you can find that aritcle, because it goes more into Serotonin and brain functions

This does make sense...indeed. I am taking Primo only and experiencing fatigue. I have had similar problems in the past from non-arom AAS and no Test. The problem is that Test is a water magnet for me...even prop and the weight gain is unacceptable (in my sport). Don't get me wrong I do use Test, but only in the offseason. Dilemma?

[ProteinFart]

Just see if you can find that aritcle, because it goes more into Serotonin and brain functions

That might be the reason the 5HTP worked so well for me ...

[Mike Dura]

That's good info. Thanks.

This does make sense...indeed. I am taking Primo only and experiencing fatigue. I have had similar problems in the past from non-arom AAS and no Test. The problem is that Test is a water magnet for me...even prop and the weight gain is unacceptable (in my sport). Don't get me wrong I do use Test, but only in the offseason. Dilemma?

[Mike Dura]

There was this hot girl at the gym today. As I looked at her I got lost in this little revery. And then it occured to me, at some point during the day, she probably let out with a nasty fart. That put it all in perspective.

AAS fatigue sucks...especially if you are an athlete rather than a gym rat.

ProteinFart- Not to be a wise ass, but farts are not created by protein...they are created by your inability to digest carbohydrate which is eventually digested by the bacteria in your colon. The bi-product of the carbohydrate being digested by the bacteria is vitamins and yes gas. Typically the type of carbohydrates that produce gas are certain hard to digest sugars (raffinose from beans, lactose from milk) or undigestable fiber. The protein that you think causes gas is usually the lactose sugar that is still present. Sometimes we overwhelm our digestive capabilities by overeating and therefore this undigested carbohydrate part of that meal will also produce gas. One of the common misconceptions is that meat causes gas by "rotting" in your gut. That one was passed on to me by my parents through my adolescence to eatly adulthood.

Anyhow, there you go....the science of fart

[brutesinme]

There was this hot girl at the gym today. As I looked at her I got lost in this little revery. And then it occured to me, at some point during the day, she probably let out with a nasty fart. That put it all in perspective.

awesome! if i need some mental edge when i go talk to a hot girl at a bar, i just imagine her pinching a monstous loaf, it humanizes her.

[Mike Dura]

It works like a charm! No need to sweat it? The pretty girl poops too! Everything is gonna be allright!

awesome! if i need some mental edge when i go talk to a hot girl at a bar, i just imagine her pinching a monstous loaf, it humanizes her.