Is HCG a must for a 23 year old?

[Wanderlei Silva]

I am in a 8 week cycle of Sustanon 250 every 5 days, and 40mg Winny everyday. I already have some clomids but I was wondering if I could get by without ordering HCG? Can I get my natural test levels back up without it?

[SYRIANSTALLION]

You are young to be cyckling - your own nuts are still cranking it out natty
but of course who wants to hear it

Ok - Sust every 5 days is NOt the way to run it.

First - forget sust and shoot E 2x weekly but if you only have sust shoot it ED

and you better be taking fina/dura minoxidil for the hairline

I am in a 8 week cycle of Sustanon 250 every 5 days, and 40mg Winny everyday. I already have some clomids but I was wondering if I could get by without ordering HCG? Can I get my natural test levels back up without it?

[longhorn814]

8 weeks is too short, run it at least 10, preferably 12 and if possible shoot it every other day. HCG isnt needed IMO..only for long cycles or cycles that include tren IMO

[D-Money]

I think 8 weeks is fine, but your results will be a little better if you run in for 12! Yes, you can get by with just the clomid, but you need to run it for at least a month. HCG is one the most powerfull tools we have for getting your hpta up and running! It's rather cheap, and I feel you should run it if you have access to it!

[Wanderlei Silva]

You are young to be cyckling - your own nuts are still cranking it out natty
but of course who wants to hear it

Ok - Sust every 5 days is NOt the way to run it.

First - forget sust and shoot E 2x weekly but if you only have sust shoot it ED

and you better be taking fina/dura minoxidil for the hairline

How much Sus if shooting every day? Seems like overkill.

[Ufa]

I am in a 8 week cycle of Sustanon 250 every 5 days, and 40mg Winny everyday. I already have some clomids but I was wondering if I could get by without ordering HCG? Can I get my natural test levels back up without it?

If you want to avoid HCG. End cycle by knocking off the Winny and lowering
the Sustanon. I mean really lower it. Like down to 100 every week.

My personal opinion.

[abstrack]

I run HCG in all my cycles personally.
Rather it be a 10 weeker or a 20 weeker.

[joeben22]

If I was you I would be running the sus at a total of 500mgs a week for 10-12 weeks. Ideally you could shoot it eod but I have done sus at 500mgs/wk shooting it 250mgs sunday and 250mgs thursday. My current cycle will be my first cycle using HCG (added because of the Deca). It wouldn't hurt to run it but in my opinion I don't think it is that necessary in your cycle.

[joeben22]

If you want to avoid HCG. End cycle by knocking off the Winny and lowering
the Sustanon. I mean really lower it. Like down to 100 every week.

My personal opinion.

How would lowering his test dose help increase his natty test production?

[testosterona]

How would lowering his test dose help increase his natty test production?

......it won't. 8wks is fine bro. there are alot of parrots on the boards that say the same shit over and over like it's the only way to cycle. i now some vet's on here that only run 4wkrs....tell them 8wks is too short! now back to your original q....no, i don't think you NEED HCG, but if you can afford it, it's very effective during the first wk or two of PCT

[joeben22]

......it won't. 8wks is fine bro. there are alot of parrots on the boards that say the same shit over and over like it's the only way to cycle. i now some vet's on here that only run 4wkrs....tell them 8wks is too short! now back to your original q....no, i don't think you NEED HCG, but if you can afford it, it's very effective during the first wk or two of PCT

lol, I wasn't actually looking for an answer to my question, as I know that it wouldn't.

[marcus300]

If you have testicular atrophy (shrunken nuts) than YES its a must at any age.

[hosam4ever]

hcg is a good addition to any cycle

[Swifto]

hcg is a good addition to any cycle

Agreed.

[keith hackney]

How much Sus if shooting every day? Seems like overkill.

maybe a little bit. but every 5 days is serious underkill. EOD would be nice becuase of the short esters in sust. you might not need HCG. clomid might be enough for an 8 week cycle. by the way, nice user name. i am a fan of the axe murderer as well.

[Tren Bull]

I am in a 8 week cycle of Sustanon 250 every 5 days, and 40mg Winny everyday. I already have some clomids but I was wondering if I could get by without ordering HCG? Can I get my natural test levels back up without it?

definately bro, hcg is not a necessity to get your test levels back up. clomid and nolva both work very well for this purpose. ive heard that arimidex will get your test levels back to normal also.

[MAXIMA5]

How much Sus if shooting every day? Seems like overkill.

Overkill?

I don't think you understand the reasoning behind this?
Some of the test in Sust have short half-lives. THis means it must be shot ED to keep all the test levels even.

Take the total amount of test you want to take weekly, and divide by 7. This is the amount you should shoot daily.

[Ufa]

How would lowering his test dose help increase his natty test production?

Well, his origional question was how to avoid HCG. He is taking so much he is really shut down. I only suggest this as an alternative. If he stops he will
crash. By tapering off he will not crash. It is easy to come off 100mg of
test. Especially as one member pointed out with (Arimidex). I take 1 mg per
day. This will reduce your estrogen by 50 to 80% and increase your test
by 300 to 400 pts. Blood work is important because a little estrogen is good.
Mine was 253. After one week I reduced it to .75 daily, after 2 weeks .5 daily.
After five weeks I thought my test was low; blood work came back at 750.
Estrogen down 93 pts.

Yea, we are all different ant HCG is a good thing. I was only answering his
question. Arimidex is a new AI and I feel there are a lot of beneifits for
people like me. (We are all different)

[STB]

I ran essentially the same cycle as the OP this past winter, 8 weeks of Sust E4D, and final 3 weeks winny at 40mg/day. I gained 16 pounds, kept 10, and PCT was nolva and clomid only for 4 weeks.

HCG is needed if your balls are raisans. Otherwise, it is up to you. The longer the cycle, the more likely you will benefit from HCG.

Also, as an aside, I think 8 weeks is a good timeframe. Gains always stop and sides increase for me when I go past 8 weeks.


Bluesman

[longhorn814]

tapering off is pointless and an old school approach. People thought that by tapering off it would help kick start their natural test production, but it doesnt!! Once youre shut down, youre shut down.

HCG is commonly used for preventing/reversing testicular atrophy. A lot of people also use it right before PCT begins. This is what I do: 14 days before I am scheduled to begin PCT, I will take 500 IUs of HCG for 10 days. Then four days later I begin my PCT of nolva & clomid. This works very well for me. However, I dont think its necessary for 8 weeks of sustanon

[MAXIMA5]

Tapering is bad....mmkkay

[Wanderlei Silva]

maybe a little bit. but every 5 days is serious underkill. EOD would be nice becuase of the short esters in sust. you might not need HCG. clomid might be enough for an 8 week cycle. by the way, nice user name. i am a fan of the axe murderer as well.

Yeah compliments on your name also, I enjoyed keith hackney beating down that sumo wrestler that time! I always liked his fighting style.