second cycle, advice on sustanon

[naz-uk]

i did my first cycle a while back straight 10 weeks of test e 500mg/week and dbol at 30mg for first 4 weeks. went well and ready for second cycle now. i wanted to do prop but cant get hold of any only sustanon-250 so thinking of doing this how would be recommended, i was thinking like 500-750mg p/w in 2-3 shots over the week. is that ok for sust? also would it be advisable to take an oral kickstart with it? also i have some deca which i would like to take alongside with it at maybe 200mg p/w is that enough?

btw im 6ft, 200lbs, 22y/o, bout 11-12% bf (cutting at moment to about 8%) could i also take winstrol with sust and deca to help along with cutting or do you think that would be a bit much for second cycle.

[Benches505]

Your sust shots are on the money for 750mg/ew but I would up the deca to at least 400mg since at 200mg you might not get much out of it.

Sust does have some prop in it but it's not much at all so an oral kickstart might not be a bad option.

Also if you are cutting some will say it's just all about the diet but I think some different steroids would be better suited to the cause.

[naz-uk]

if i was in theory to run prop at 350mg p/w how much deca would be good to run with that? and would it be worth taking winny too? how much would i need of that? or should i take more than 350 prop? bearing in mind i want to cut up.

[SMAN12b]

Your are a little young, but here is my 2 cents:
Too many compounds for your 2nd cycle. Narrow down your goals and put it together on here and we can critque.
My suggestion with the sust is :
Weeks 1-12 Sust @ 500/week in two shots/wk
Weeks 11-14 Winny @ 50mg/ED

At your age, I woudl not WASTE money uping the doses just yet and just due to being only your second cycle I would NOT do an oral to jump, but yes you can for 3-4 weeks. again I would not but......

I would make sure that I had all PCT in line and on hand BEFORE you even start a cycle. You can research for the proper PCT, I am not gonna do all your homework.
Put the cycle together with PCT included and then post for more tweeking

Hope this helps, but AGAIN, at your age, I really don't think you need AAS right now. You still have plenty of hormones running through your body to give you great gains if you have the proper DIET and TRAINING, and REST
AAS should only be used once you have exhausted your natural potential so to get through sticking points not as a substitute for them!! AAS will do NOTHING but hurt you if your diet and training aren't 100% for the cycle you are doing!! BUT THAT IS JUST MY OPINION Good Luck

[naz-uk]

thanks for the advice dude duelly noted. i think i have a solid source for prop now so thinking to do:

1-12 prop @ 100mg eod
11-14 winny at 50mg ed
11-16 nolva @ 10mg ed
13-16 clomid therapy

hows that?

[SMAN12b]

thanks for the advice dude duelly noted. i think i have a solid source for prop now so thinking to do:

1-12 prop @ 100mg eod
11-14 winny at 50mg ed
11-16 nolva @ 10mg ed
13-16 clomid therapy

hows that?

Not bad... You do know that Prop is gonna hurt like a B**CH right? You can cut it with B-12 if you want. about 1/2 ml per shot. and depending on how you are doing you can also start the Winny on week 9 making it a 6 week coarse!! Get some more input from some vets on here as I am sure they will have more precise info for you.....Good Luck

[naz-uk]

ill just warm it up real nice and go slow, im sure i can cope with 1ml. how do you think rather than doing 100mg eod doing 100,50,100,50 ed or even 150 eod dunno how 1.5ml would go in though !! so then it goes from 350mg p/w to 525 cause 350 just seems a bit low!!

[SMAN12b]

I wouldn't go up and down with the shots...you want your levels to be as consistant as possible...choose one and stick with it. beginner range is 250-500mgs. you will need to start PCT 3 days after last injection of Prop

[SMAN12b]

You may want to have HCG on hand as well since prop will shut you down by week 2

[naz-uk]

what effects is there by being shut down i read its the HPTA but how does that affect you?

[SMAN12b]

In layman's terms...your D*CK will not work.....know what I mean.. So if you like a limp noodle then don't worry about it otherwise do MORE RESEARCH !!!

[naz-uk]

yeah thats what i thought wanted to make sure, just doesnt makse sense that being on test makes ur dick less effective! anything other than hcg help this like nolva? or only hcg? also to ease up the shots should i use vitamin b6 or b12? and what doseage?

[SMAN12b]

I was advised to cut my Winny shots with 1/2ml of B-12

[naz-uk]

why would you cut winny its water based so not painful at all?