to Tren or not to Tren

[Max33]

I'm planning to do my 2nd cycle Test E 650(14w) and Deca 400(12w). I want to bulk on this one. But I have a high % of BF (don't know the #). So I thought I'd add TREN ACE 75/ed for the last 6 weeks of that cylce, since Tren burns fat and works good as a cutter. I know Tren is not for the begginers and it's hursh with its sides(esp. with Deca=gyno). But still, should I give it a try and if sides go bad I just drop it?
I'll have Nolva, B6, Letro on hands.
I'm doing cardio and diet right now, but when I'll do Test/Deca, I'm gonna gain weight all again.

Stats: 6.0; 210lbs. First cycle was Test E 500ml(10w)/dbol 40ml(4w).

Thanks in advance.

[BOBBY D]

BUMP for this guy, i want to know too..

[1buffsob]

I'm planning to do my 2nd cycle Test E 650(14w) and Deca 400(12w). I want to bulk on this one. But I have a high % of BF (don't know the #). So I thought I'd add TREN ACE 75/ed for the last 6 weeks of that cylce, since Tren burns fat and works good as a cutter. I know Tren is not for the begginers and it's hursh with its sides(esp. with Deca=gyno). But still, should I give it a try and if sides go bad I just drop it?
I'll have Nolva, B6, Letro on hands.
I'm doing cardio and diet right now, but when I'll do Test/Deca, I'm gonna gain weight all again.

Stats: 6.0; 210lbs. First cycle was Test E 500ml(10w)/dbol 40ml(4w).

Thanks in advance.

The fact that you're 6', 210lbs, and a high bf% tells me you shouldn't be cycling in the first place. Don't look for tren to cut you up unless your diet is perfect.

1buffsob

[anaBROLIC]

why bulk if you have a high bf % and you want to put in something that will help cut you up???? i dont get it

[Bigmax]

Agree with buff get your diet and training in order first.How have you been doin cardio and how long?...you also said you're on diet lets see it.

[Bigmax]

Neither does he anabrolic.

[Max33]

Thanks guys for your replies.

Maybe you're right, Anabrolic. I should choose between cutting or bulking and stick with it. For me bulking is my goal. But I was hoping to kill two birds with one stone, bulk and the end of the cycle cut.


About my diet and cardio it'll only last until my cycle starts. During my bulking cycle I'll increase my calories intake and usually do cardio only twice a week for about 25 min(mostly treadmill).


Also Buff you said with my stats I shouldn't be cycling. Can you elaborate on that, please. Right now I need to loose about 15-18 lbs of extra weight(fat). So you point is 195lbs at 6'0 is not enough to do AAS?

[1buffsob]

When someone says a high BF%, I assume we're talking around 20% if not more. So that gives you a LBM in the 160 range, which at your height, tells me you haven't built a strong enough base to cycle aas, let alone cycle a 2nd time.

1buffsob

[Max33]

Got you, Buff.
Hey guys, I'm not chunky fat guy. I just gained some fat on my first cycle. I don't have big slices of fat hanging out of my shirt lol.
Can I post picture in this thread?

[Bigmax]

Lets see it.

[Max33]

Lets see it.

On this picture I might look not too fat, but it's there.

[BOBBY D]

BRO ur pic looks good.. i think u r allright to go w/ a cutting cycle, being that u have a descent muscle base.. i know u would rather bulk, im the same way, but being that summer is here u wouldn't want to gain more weight & then cut at the end of july, u follow me.. i dont know much about tren yet, but if i were u, i'd go for a test/winny cycle or any proper cutting cycle & then come fall i would do a bulking cycle.. JMO,, GOOD LUCK

[Max33]

You've got a point, Bobby. Maybe it's not the best idea to bulk during a summer. But I don't really strive for ripped and cut body. So that's why maybe I'm not that enthusiastic about cutting cycle...
But I'll give it a thought, though.

[Steele]

max33,
i think a test/tren cycle is exactly what you want to do. you would get good muscle gains without increasing bodyfat. -STEELE

[Max33]

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[1buffsob]

I'm a firm believer that when cutting, less is more. A small dose of test is all that is needed to prevent muscle loss provided the diet is up to snuff. Leave the other compounds for bulking or if you're cutting for a comp.

1buffsob

[bb868484]

i think diet and cardo are the major key. you can gain muscle tissue and burn fat over the course of a cycle.

[Bigmax]

Hey man the pics looks pretty good.Buf is on the money you dont need much.Maybe some prop and bring your cardio up a bit and get your diet spic and span(clean) and you're good to go.How long have you been training?

[Max33]

Hey man the pics looks pretty good.Buf is on the money you dont need much.Maybe some prop and bring your cardio up a bit and get your diet spic and span(clean) and you're good to go.How long have you been training?

Thanks guys for your input, now I'm starting to see some light.

3 years clean, BigMax.

Looks like I'd drop Deca and stick with Test and might add some TrenA. (by STEELE)

[Cdup]

IMO Steele has a good idea, not that it's not all great advice. I would do exactly that, Test w/ Tren @ 75/ed. That will provide desired results and cut some fat. Beautiful thing about Tren is that it "Increases feed efficiency". Metabolism is insane. Good luck with your decision and next cycle.

Cdup

[scriptfactory]

Thanks guys for your input, now I'm starting to see some light.

3 years clean, BigMax.

Looks like I'd drop Deca and stick with Test and might add some TrenA. (by STEELE)

Good idea. Prop/tren/var is one of the best cycles I have ever seen a person do. The sides are more harsh than other cycles (because of the tren) but if you can stand them the results are definitely worth it. You will not be disappointed.

[Max33]

IMO Steele has a good idea, not that it's not all great advice. I would do exactly that, Test w/ Tren @ 75/ed. That will provide desired results and cut some fat. Beautiful thing about Tren is that it "Increases feed efficiency". Metabolism is insane. Good luck with your decision and next cycle.

Cdup

Amen, brother.