Which One?...Spiro or Minoxidil?

[MrKadugen]

I was wondering what you guys would recomend for preventing hairloss while on a cycle of tren?

Obviously finasteride wouldn't help, but a topical androgen blocker for the scalp would help; such as spiro. But my question is this, what other product works similarly to that of spiro; I am ruling out sprio for now as a prescription is required to get it. I have read that minoxidil works similarly to that of spiro, that is blocking the hair follicle from androgens, but how efective is it compared to spiro?

So if anyone could please shed some light on whether minoxidil, or another topical treatment (other than spiro) will work to prevent hairl loss while on a strogly androgenic steriod such as tren.

Thanks

[swedes]

Bro...go to minoxidil.com and you can order anything you want. They sell topical spiro. I use the Xandrox 12.5 I think it it called from them. It is Rogain/minoxidil coupled with Alzeic acid which is a androgen blocker. I also ordered the topical spiro. If you are prone like me I would use nizoral shampoo everyday/Xandrox/and Avodart or propecia I don't really bother with the spiro because the alzeic acid does the same thing. It has worked for me. PM me if you wish. I am still scared to try tren because of this.

[marcus300]

You wont prevent hairloss, if your prone to going thin on top theres nothing you can do except try to slow the process down with certain compounds, but the end result is a bald head,

[MrKadugen]

Yeah. I know I can't stop the inevitable, but like you said, I could slow the process....which is what I'm tryin to do.

If anyone else has any comments on anit-andrgenic topical treatment feel free...

[reveremuscle]

CEM carries spiro.

[Seattle Junk]

You wont prevent hairloss, if your prone to going thin on top theres nothing you can do except try to slow the process down with certain compounds, but the end result is a bald head,

Hair transplants are perfected now by the top doctors. So there is still hope for baldy. Believe me, I know. I had a transplant and it looks awesome.

[SPIKE]

So there is still hope for baldy. Believe me, I know. I had a transplant and it looks awesome.

How many grafts? How long did it take for them to grow in and was it noticable?

[marcus300]

Hair transplants are perfected now by the top doctors. So there is still hope for baldy. Believe me, I know. I had a transplant and it looks awesome.

any pics before and after?

[SPIKE]

BUMP for SJ

[vitor]

How many grafts? How long did it take for them to grow in and was it noticable?

Are you thinking of doing that, JAY? (hair-transplant)

My father yust had one. Hes face got really puffy/swollen for the first 4-weeks, and he had extreme iching in the scalp, so he said. But the end result(7-8 weeks later) was greate, looks completely natrual.

Very expensive though. 127ooo kr, I belive thats around 25ooo dollars.( But he had quite a few grafts.)

[marcus300]

Are you thinking of doing that, JAY? (hair-transplant)

My father yust had one. Hes face got really puffy/swollen for the first 4-weeks, and he had extreme iching in the scalp, so he said. But the end result(7-8 weeks later) was greate, looks completely natrual.

Very expensive though. 127ooo kr, I belive thats around 25ooo dollars.( But he had quite a few grafts.)

any before and after pics vitor?

[vitor]

any before and after pics vitor?

No I dont. Sorry!

Maybe I can get some later, but he said it was the best investment hes done.

[SPIKE]

Are you thinking of doing that, JAY? (hair-transplant)

I've looked into it but wont need it if I cut out half the gear I use. WE all know how hard that will be.

Hes face got really puffy/swollen for the first 4-weeks, and he had extreme iching in the scalp, so he said.

They explained to me that will happen. Swelling occurs for the first few days and rest is needed. After a few days you're "back to normal."

Very expensive though. 127ooo kr, I belive thats around 25ooo dollars.( But he had quite a few grafts.)

My buddy just had one and he paid $7500 for 1500 grafts. One of my clients is looking into one and his price was $7 a graft, much more then what my other friend paid. $25k is outrageous, I wonder how many grafts he got?

[SPIKE]

he said it was the best investment hes done.

How long did it take for all the grafts to grow in? My buddy said it took about a year for his. Primarily all frontal grafts too.

[vitor]

He was completely bald, so he had alot of grafts. Dont know the number. Yes hes face was swollen for a about 4-weeks, very bad the first few days. Hes hair is very sensitive, so b/c it takes some time before it grafts to heal and such.

But it looks good know(3-4 mounths later), I was shocked when I saw it...

[SPIKE]

But it looks good know(3-4 mounths later), I was shocked when I saw it...

Wow that fast!!! I"m shocked.

He must feel so muchm ore confident about himself with such a drastic change, good for him

[vitor]

Wow that fast!!! I"m shocked.

He must feel so muchm ore confident about himself with such a drastic change, good for him

That type of hair want be sensitive to DHT or androgens either, so you can continue to juice hard with no worries, I belive.

[SPIKE]

That type of hair want be sensitive to DHT or androgens either, so you can continue to juice hard with no worries, I belive.

Yup!!!! Thats exactly what the doc told my buddy. He is a huge juicer and the doc stated that hair will be there forever. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Steele]

ok, i gotta look into this. more hair and i'd be a "10"

[Seattle Junk]

How many grafts? How long did it take for them to grow in and was it noticable?

http://www.hassonandwong.com/

Dr. Wong did my transplant. He created and patented the tools for FUE tranplants using the lateral slit technique. So all doctors around the world use his tools to do the latest procedure, lateral slit.

I got approx 2,832 grafts, 6-7K total hairs. I paid about $8,000 2 years ago when the American dollar was a lot stronger in Canada. It would be about $10,000 now.

I simply LOVE IT bro!!!! I think that was one of the smartest investments in my life next to my house?

[Seattle Junk]

Yup!!!! Thats exactly what the doc told my buddy. He is a huge juicer and the doc stated that hair will be there forever. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Originally Posted by vitor
That type of hair want be sensitive to DHT or androgens either, so you can continue to juice hard with no worries, I belive.

No, Jay is right. The hair moved from the back and sides of your head is DHT resistant. That's just the way God made it I guess? So when that hair is moved to the MPB area it will grow and thrive for a lifetime. So you will die with a full head of hair.

[vitor]

No, Jay is right. The hair moved from the back and sides of your head is DHT resistant. That's just the way God made it I guess? So when that hair is moved to the MPB area it will grow and thrive for a lifetime. So you will die with a full head of hair.

Yes, thats what I said bro...

[Seattle Junk]

He was completely bald, so he had alot of grafts. Dont know the number. Yes hes face was swollen for a about 4-weeks, very bad the first few days. Hes hair is very sensitive, so b/c it takes some time before it grafts to heal and such.

But it looks good know(3-4 mounths later), I was shocked when I saw it...

My face never swell nor did I have any bad sides from surgery. Just slight pain in the donor area the first few days but no biggie. I shaved my head with no guard 2 weeks after surgery and let it grow out from there. I saw new growth probably in the 4th month and substantial growth at month 6. The new hairs keep popping out up to a year or a little longer. You can tell when new hairs are coming in because the emerge thru pimple like bumps. All under your current hair so nobody can see. What a great transformation from the receding hairline and keeps me looking young. I date 20-25 year old women all of the time. Last summer a 19 year old.... Ahhhhh, I'm 37. hehehe

[vitor]

My face never swell nor did I have any bad sides from surgery. Just slight pain in the donor area the first few days but no biggie. I shaved my head with no guard 2 weeks after surgery and let it grow out from there. I saw new growth probably in the 4th month and substantial growth at month 6. The new hairs keep popping out up to a year or a little longer. You can tell when new hairs are coming in because the emerge thru pimple like bumps. All under your current hair so nobody can see. What a great transformation from the receding hairline and keeps me looking young. I date 20-25 year old women all of the time. Last summer a 19 year old.... Ahhhhh, I'm 37. hehehe

Sound greate, Ime happy for you, and now you can juice as much as you want.lol

I was worried that I might get the mpb gene from my father, but it doesnt seem like it. Seems like the hairloss skipped a generation in my family, thank god!!!

[Seattle Junk]

Sound greate, Ime happy for you, and now you can juice as much as you want.lol

I was worried that I might get the mpb gene from my father, but it doesnt seem like it. Seems like the hairloss skipped a generation in my family, thank god!!!

MPB is usually passed down through the mother. On my mom's side, my grandfather, uncles and cousins are all bald. But not me baby!!! hehe....

You lucky SOB.... But MPB can happen at any time in life. It could start in your 40s, 50's or 60's. My Dad didn't start losing substantial hair until his mid 50's. He still has some ontop but it's pretty thin. He's 69 now.

[vitor]

MPB is usually passed down through the mother. On my mom's side, my grandfather, uncles and cousins are all bald. But not me baby!!! hehe....

You lucky SOB.... But MPB can happen at any time in life. It could start in your 40s, 50's or 60's. My Dad didn't start losing substantial hair until his mid 50's. He still has some ontop but it's pretty thin. He's 69 now.

Ime 23 now, I hope it doesnt happen!! I need my hair to get hot chicks!!

[SPIKE]

I got approx 2,832 grafts, 6-7K total hairs. I paid about $8,000 2 years ago

Wow thats a really good price!!! I dont have time right now to check out his site. Where was the surgery out of SJ?