Are Clenbuterol and Salbutamol the same?

[Megaherz]

I ordered clen online and received Salbutamol from Spain made
by Glaxo. The tabs are 4mgs. Is this stuff the same as Clen?

[Giants11]

Salbutamol is Albuterol, which is different from Clen. It has a shorted half-life. And generally regarded as safer.

[*Narkissos*]

Salbutamol is Albuterol, which is different from Clen. It has a shorted half-life. And generally regarded as safer.

but requires multiple dosing (in accordance to half-life) to be 'effective'

Not sure it is comparable for fat-loss tho.

[Megaherz]

So what would be a typical dosing?

[Merc..]

but requires multiple dosing (in accordance to half-life) to be 'effective'

Not sure it is comparable for fat-loss tho.

From what I understand it is comparable in fatloss to clen. If yo take it at the right dose ( 4 mg pills using 12-16 mg ED splitting the dose up through out the day due to short active life).. I know Giants used it before so maybe he can comment on if it works like clen for fatloss I dunno for sure!!!.........

[Giants11]

Actually I can't really use it. I gives me terrible headaches. However it has been proven in Human studies to increase LBM as well as decrease fat mass as well as improve ones lipid profile. And has not been associated with Cardiac Myocyte death, which IMO makes it superior to Clen. I use neither, I have to stick w/ Ephedrine, oh well.....

[Giants11]

Effects of oral albuterol on serum lipids and carbohydrate metabolism in healthy men.

Maki KC, Skorodin MS, Jessen JH, Laghi F.

Edward Hines, Jr, Veterans Affairs Hospital, Hines, IL, USA.

beta(2)-Selective adrenergic agonists are used in the management of bronchial asthma and preterm labor. Due to their ability to increase muscle strength and size in animal models, new applications for these agents are also being explored for neuromuscular disorders and in rehabilitation. However, the effects of long-term beta(2)-agonist administration on lipoprotein and carbohydrate metabolism are incompletely understood. This investigation evaluated the effects of a beta(2)-agonist, albuterol, on serum lipids and carbohydrate homeostasis in eight healthy nonsmoking men aged 24 to 61 years. Collection of fasting blood samples was completed in duplicate on separate days at baseline, during 14 days of oral albuterol administration (Proventil Repetabs, 8 mg twice daily; Schering Pharmaceuticals, Kenilworth, NJ) and during a 7-day washout period. Carbohydrate homeostasis was evaluated using the minimal model technique at the end of the baseline and albuterol periods. Fasting glucose and insulin, intravenous glucose tolerance, acute insulin response to intravenous glucose (AIRg), insulin sensitivity (Si), and glucose effectiveness (Sg) were not significantly changed during albuterol administration. Significant alterations (P < or = .02) were observed in total cholesterol ([TC] -9.1% +/- 2.5%), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([LDL-C] -15.0% +/- 2.9%), and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([HDL-C] +10.4% +/- 3.2%) concentrations, as well as the TC/HDL-C (-17.4% +/- 2.6%) and LDL-C/HDL-C (-22.9% +/- 2.4%) ratios. During washout, TC and LDL-C returned to baseline levels, whereas HDL-C remained elevated by 5.8% +/- 2.4% (P < .05). Thus, albuterol administration was associated with favorable changes in the serum lipid profile without marked impairment of glucose tolerance or its physiologic determinants.

[Merc..]

Actually I can't really use it. I gives me terrible headaches. However it has been proven in Human studies to increase LBM as well as decrease fat mass as well as improve ones lipid profile. And has not been associated with Cardiac Myocyte death, which IMO makes it superior to Clen. I use neither, I have to stick w/ Ephedrine, oh well.....

My bad I thought you used it once in PCT !! Thanks for the info!!!

[Giants11]

Albuterol helps resistance exercise attenuate unloading-induced knee extensor losses.

Caruso JF, Hamill JL, Yamauchi M, Mercado DR, Cook TD, Keller CP, Montgomery AG, Elias J.

Exercise Physiology Laboratory, University of Nevada, Reno, NV, USA. [email protected]

INTRODUCTION: While resistance exercise (REX) attenuates knee extensor (KE) mass and strength deficits during short-term unloading, additional treatments concurrently administered with REX are required to reduce the greater losses seen with longer periods of unloading. METHODS: To determine whether albuterol helps REX attenuate unloading-induced KE losses, two groups of subjects strength trained their left thigh three times per week, and otherwise refrained from ambulatory and weight-bearing activity for 40 d while receiving a capsule dosing treatment (albuterol, placebo) with no crossover. A third group served as unloaded controls (CTRL). On days 0, 20, and 40, the following data were collected from the nonweight-bearing (left) thigh: cross-sectional area (CSA); integrated electromyography (IEMG); and concentric and eccentric KE strength measures. Thigh CSA was estimated using anthropometric methodology. IEMG was used to provide root mean square (RMS) values from submaximal (100 nm) and maximal isometric contractions. Concentric and eccentric strength were measured from eight-repetition unilateral leg press sets. RESULTS: Repeated-measures mixed-factorial 3 x 3 ANCOVAs with day 0 values as a covariate showed group by time interactions for concentric and eccentric total work (CTW, ETW). Tukey's post hoc test showed REX-albuterol evoked significant (p < 0.05) day 40 CTW and ETW gains vs. within-group day 0 and within-time REX-placebo and CTRL values. By days 20 and 40, CTRL subjects incurred significant decrements. CONCLUSIONS: Albuterol augmented the effects of REX to increase CTW and ETW. Research identifying possible mechanisms responsible for such changes, as well as the safety of REX-albuterol administration in other models, is warranted.

[Giants11]

Effect of salbutamol on muscle strength and endurance performance in nonasthmatic men.

van Baak MA, Mayer LH, Kempinski RE, Hartgens F.

Department of Human Biology, Maastricht University, The Netherlands. [email protected]

PURPOSE: The ergogenic effect of acute beta2-adrenergic agonist administration in nonasthmatic individuals has not been clearly demonstrated. Therefore, the acute effects of oral administration of the beta2-adrenergic agonist salbutamol (4 mg) on muscle strength and endurance performance were studied in 16 nonasthmatic men in a double-blind randomized cross-over study. METHODS: Peak expiratory flow (Mini Wright Peakflowmeter), isokinetic strength of the knee extensors and knee flexors at four angular velocities (Cybex II dynamometer), and endurance performance in a cycle ergometer test until exhaustion at 70% of maximal workload were measured. RESULTs: Peak expiratory flow increased from 601 +/- 67 L x min(-1) to 629 +/- 64 L x min(-1) after salbutamol (P < 0.05). Peak torque was higher after salbutamol than after placebo (4.4% for the knee extensors, 4.9% for the knee flexors) (P < 0.05). Mean endurance time increased from 3,039 +/- 1,031 s after placebo to 3,439 +/- 1,287 s after salbutamol (P = 0.19). When four subjects complaining about adverse side effects were excluded from the analysis, the increase in endurance time (729 +/- 1,007 s or 29%) was statistically significant (P <-0.05). Salbutamol did not affect VO2, respiratory exchange ratio, heart rate, and plasma free fatty acid and glycerol concentration during exercise; plasma lactate and potassium concentrations were increased (P < 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: Under the conditions of this study, oral salbutamol appears to be an effective ergogenic aid in nonasthmatic individuals not experiencing adverse side effects.

[Giants11]

Oral albuterol dosing during the latter stages of a resistance exercise program.

Caruso JF, Hamill JL, De Garmo N.

Healthcare Research Associates Inc., Orlando, Florida 32819, USA. [email protected]

Subjects performed isoload variable resistance exercise (REX) 3 days per week. After 10 weeks, they received a double-blind albuterol (n = 11) or placebo (n = 11) capsule assignment with no crossover and continued training. During the first week of capsule administration, dosages were increased from 4 mg to 16 mg daily and then maintained for 14 days. At weeks 0, 10, and 13, we measured upper arm and thigh cross-sectional area, knee and elbow extensor and flexor (KE, KF, EE, EF) strength at 3 angular velocities, and lean body mass. Data after 10 weeks showed insignificant between-group differences. From weeks 10-13, as subjects continued REX training, albuterol evoked higher (p < 0.05) KE-KF strength gains at multiple velocities versus placebo dosing. A higher lean body mass trend also occurred with albuterol from weeks 10-13. Results suggest that albuterol augments REX to provide greater strength gains from hypertrophic factors than an REX-placebo assignment.

[Giants11]

My bad I thought you used it once in PCT !! Thanks for the info!!!

I tried, just couldn't take the headaches.

[Merc..]

So all in all the effects are very close to clen ( strength, fatloss and so on) without the Cardiac Myocyte death thats can happpen with clen?? So if you use the correct dosing protocol with albuterol you will get the same effects as with clen without possibly having a heart attack???

[Megaherz]

Wow! Thanks for the huge volume of info Giants11!
Hopefully I won't get the headaches!

[Merc..]

Has anyone used albuterol with goods results!

[*Narkissos*]

I tried, just couldn't take the headaches.

nice info Giants!

[Giants11]

I've seen many people say that Albuterol has helped them with weight loss. I do however think that Clen is stronger.

However IMO Albuterol is the wiser choice, mainly because it has been associated with Myocyte death and because of its shorter half life you get less Beta-2 down regulation which in turn means you can run it longer.

So with Albuterol you could run 4MG's 3x per day. For 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. While with clen I would reccomend a 1 week on 1 week off protocol.

[Giants11]

nice info Giants!

Funny thing is. I can dose clen at up to 100mcg per day and not get one headache???

Oh well