Advice on best anti E to raise test & libido

[Max00]

Hi, im looking for an effective anti e for the purpose of raising my natural test and libido. Im not on any cycle so was wondering would it be unwise to use anti e's such as letro, nolva, clomid, and arimidex etc for this reason and if a natural anti e would be more suitable? I suffer from low libido and a slight case of water retention aswell as various other symptoms linked to low test levels, although ive had my levels checked and is apparently "normal". So i think it could be to do with high estrogen levels.

Any help and advice will be appreciated. thanx.

[fLgAtOr]

Well, what are your other stats? Do you exercise, diet, weight, bf %, med. cond.??....

Many of these things you describe can be helped with lifestyle changes.

[stupidhippo]

interesting question..... i think in here u would have to ponder the possible benefits / risks associated with long term anti E use.. Also HRT could be good for u if U indeed have low levels.. even self prescribed.. JMO

[chuckt12345]

dont go with letro, im on my 3rd week and my sex drive is at about 50%

[fLgAtOr]

dont go with letro, im on my 3rd week and my sex drive is at about 50%

And this is becuase you dropped your estro too low. Significantly low estro levels can throw your sex drive out of whack (I think thats a pun) and screw (another one) up your cholesterol.

However, when your body senses estro dropping, it raises test levels to compensate.

[Max00]

Well im 22, Height 5'7, weight 10st (although my weight fluctuates as i tend to retain water) I excersise regularily and have a healthy balanced diet which includes whey protien and the odd supplement. Im a light smoker and a light drinker. Basically i dont think my lifestyle has anything to do with it.

I would go for the self prescribed HRT option but im looking for a cheaper alternative and would rather raise my own natural test levels.

[Swifto]

I've been reading a lot recently that using an AI for TRT/HRT, exaclty for this purpose isnt a wise idea.

[Swifto]

The reviews I've seen on user's doing this dont show any significant increase in androgen activity, muscle/strength gains etc...

Plus, you body can shutdown natural T production, causing HPTA "shutdown" if too many of the AR become activated in the Hypolalmus.

Use them whilst "on" to combat estrogenic side effects, not alone to gains effects in muscle size/strength.

[Max00]

I wouldnt be taking it under the impression that it would increase androgen activity for strength and muscle gains. The reason i would want to supress e (even slightly at low doses of an anti e) is to raise natural test levels to combat symptoms of low test levels. So would low doses for this use be effective? and would there be a big chance of shutting down test levels with long term use?

[fLgAtOr]

What did your test measure at?

And what is your bf%?

[vitor]

I buddy of mine used letro between cycles(I do that now as well) and hes natrual testosterone levels was 4x higher than normal. (Once your estro drops the hypotalamus/pituitary starts producing much more LH,) b/c testosterone-estrogen ratio is supossed to have a certain natrual ratio. By using an AI, youre basically fooling your body to produce more tesosterone, which defently means more muscle and strenght.

Libido can take a hit if estro gets to low though. I would recomend you try taking arimidex at 1 mg ed+clomid 50 mgs ed. Your test levels should increase signifently, and libido should go up as well.

[Ih8urdsm]

only thing i have heard of people using like that is Clomid, but i dont know too much about the whole subject sorry

[Max00]

Sorry my bf % is at about 10%. I would say im at my ideal weight for my height.

I didnt get any figures given to me from my test results (which probably sounds strange) so unfortunately i cant tell you what it is as i dont know. Although i went to two seperate doctors to get it measured and they both said it was at normal range for my age. certainly doesnt feel that way to me physically though.

[Max00]

I buddy of mine used letro between cycles(I do that now as well) and hes natrual testosterone levels was 4x higher than normal. (Once your estro drops the hypotalamus/pituitary starts producing much more LH,) b/c testosterone-estrogen ratio is supossed to have a certain natrual ratio. By using an AI, youre basically fooling your body to produce more tesosterone, which defently means more muscle and strenght.

Libido can take a hit if estro gets to low though. I would recomend you try taking arimidex at 1 mg ed+clomid 50 mgs ed. Your test levels should increase signifently, and libido should go up as well.

Thanks i'll do some research on both and mabey try the combination. What would be the normal dose taken while on a cycle?

[vitor]

Thanks i'll do some research on both and mabey try the combination. What would be the normal dose taken while on a cycle?

That depends what compounds and dosages you will be using...

[Swifto]

I buddy of mine used letro between cycles(I do that now as well) and hes natrual testosterone levels was 4x higher than normal. (Once your estro drops the hypotalamus/pituitary starts producing much more LH,) b/c testosterone-estrogen ratio is supossed to have a certain natrual ratio. By using an AI, youre basically fooling your body to produce more tesosterone, which defently means more muscle and strenght.

Libido can take a hit if estro gets to low though. I would recomend you try taking arimidex at 1 mg ed+clomid 50 mgs ed. Your test levels should increase signifently, and libido should go up as well.

This can be done, but I dont suggest you do it with Letro. Driving estrogen levels too low can have its own sides, as you know Vitor. Please read this thread at M&M. It contains a lot of information and a few review on doing this method of using AI's.

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/i...howtopic=25091