Poll!! Who uses Fin or Dut indefinately or during cycles only?

[Billytk03z]

I am curious to see if anyone runs 5ar inhibitors year round or only during cycles?

Please list how much taken and when?

Is it helping?

[Dog-Slime]

For those who dont stay on please post how much and when you use it. (Like how many mgs/day and how long before during and after cycle you take it)

[king6]

I'm taking .5mg/day of duta. I started a month before my cycle, and will continue to the end of pct.

[donniebrasco]

im on 1.25mg of finasteride permanetly. started about 9 months ago.
if it is actually helping me, and i think it is, its well worth it.

[chest6]

started duta a week ago. Plan to stay on it year round..If I like it keeping my hair..fine. If it still sheds..I may just drop everything and finally accept the fact that I'll look like Jason Alexander

[Getbig06]

I started duta a few days ago too.. Thinking about running it year round, at .5mg/day. But I'm going to up the dose come March when I jump on again.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

5a-reductase inhibitors are DANGEROUS for men, and should ONLY be used if utterly necessary.(Prostate condition)

Dihydrotestosterone(DHT) performs ESSENTIAL functions in the male body, and inhibting it's formation will invariably lead to SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION and a host of other DHT-defficiency side-effects.(Low energy, decreased strength low libido, decreased mood, decreased appetite...)

NEVER use them, unless running MASSIVE doses of Testosterone(1,000mgs+).

this is utter nonesense. most cylces generally double or triple testosterone levels at the least. This means that you would be wise to expect a 2-3fold increase in dht conversion(and same for estrogen as well) when "on". Using fina and duta while "on" will not make you incure some kind of dht deficiency, because you already have a surplus. Using fina and duta while "off" could result in such things, but would discontinue after the drug is discontinued.
better safe than bald!
Same goes for estrogen. better safe than boobies!

[AnabolicBoy1981]

There a few issues to adress here:

1.) Testosterone's STRONG ANDROGENIC component is the DIRECT result of it's conversion rate to DHT. If you inhibit DHT(or estrogen), you will alter the effects of the compound itself, rendering it FAR LESS effective for muscle gain, ESPECIALLY if an AI is NOT used. If you INHIBIT DHT WITHOUT INHIBITING ESTROGEN, your Estro: DHT ratio becomes WHACKED and you get GYNO and a host of OTHER SEXUAL problems resulting from a poor androgen:estrogen ratio.

2.) If one chooses to run a 5ar-inihib DURING a HIGH dosed testosterone cycle, then I see no problem with that, AS LONG AS ONE ALSO INHIBTS ESTROGEN with an AI.

3.) HOWEVER, he is discussing the use of 5ar-inhibs while OFF CYCLE or "indefinitely", which is ludacris. DHT is necessary in the male body.

dht is essential yes, and if none of us cared about our hair we could let dht sky rocket, get the nice neuaro muscular/androgenic effects of dht. yes, strenthg on a cycle is usually better without a dht blocker, libido as well...but that doesnt mean it will suck with a lesser amount. Anabolicly speaking though dht is actually more powerful than test, but dht further reduces again into a weaker meabilit once inside the muscle, and is rendered not anabolic very much at all, but still upregulates nueromuscular output.
Some have even theorized that running test with fina will result in better gains since there is more overall anabolic hormone. However, i see it as a toss up. less dht during the cycle means less strentght(notice i said "less" not "crappy") therefore less powerful contractions, therfore less gains. but keepin the test as test may make an overal more anabolic environment for the muscles.
my view: im goin with the way that leaves me more hair.

and yes im not arguing estrogen should be controled as well if on 5ar inhibitors, since we all know dht blocks estrogen, so without it, estrogen will be more pronounced.

Ok so if running test us an AI and a 5ar.

BUT, what about the guy whose "off" and slowly is losing his hair anyway?
Well i see no problem in running fina/ duta, if his dht levels are high. you would need a blood test to see this. but if they are normal to midrange or low, than it just means the poor guy has a shhiitload of dht receptors in his scalp, whick means a systemic reduction in a normal dht level may give him sexual sides, where as if the problem was more his systemic level of dht being on the high side, than he could afford a 60 percent reduction in dht without incuring sexual sides...maybe.
And even still, he still may want to run an AI if estrogenic sides develope. it will take trial and error and blood work to do this hormonal balancing act. naturally balding guys have it rough.

my main point is that the average steroid user doest have to have it rough

[AnabolicBoy1981]

I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE USE OF 5A-reductase inhibitors in the "treatment of hairloss in men". STRONGLY! The RISK/REWARD ratio is simply not in the males' favor.

To CHEMICALLY inhibit a VITAL hormone in MEN(Vital to SEXUAL and physical health and vitality) is LUDACRIS to BEGIN WITH. BUT, to use it to stop hairloss when
There are tons of TOPICALS that are FAR more effective ANYWAY, and are NOT SYSTEMIC! Meaning, they wil not effect DHT levels of your ENTIRE BODY(where it is NEEDED in other places!) but simply target DHT receptors in your scalp.

The clinical studies suggest that the total net effect that 5a's have on hairloss or even MORE importantly, HAIR RE-GROWTH, is fair at best.

It's JUST not worth it. Use the juice, get HUGE, your gonna LOSE YOUR HAIR ANYWAY, unless you are lucky like me.

ineffective?, i know several ppl who feel it works, guys on here have attested it makes a diff. however, some estrogenic sides have been noted.

what so called tpoicals work so much better? the ones that do work, usually arent as "localized" in there affect as they say.

[Billytk03z]

ineffective?, i know several ppl who feel it works, guys on here have attested it makes a diff. however, some estrogenic sides have been noted.

that is why I will always run an aromatase inhibitor (arimidex)

[Toph99]

To CHEMICALLY inhibit a VITAL hormone in MEN(Vital to SEXUAL and physical health and vitality) is LUDACRIS to BEGIN WITH. BUT, to use it to stop hairloss when it's not even effective, is crazy.

There are tons of TOPICALS that are FAR more effective ANYWAY, and are NOT SYSTEMIC! Meaning, they wil not effect DHT levels of your ENTIRE BODY(where it is NEEDED in other places!) but simply target DHT receptors in your scalp.

Sorry man, you simply dont know what your talking about. Dut and Finast are both effective. Ive been losing my hair since 20 years old, and it was going FAST. Im now 28 and thanks to Dut, have more hair than I did at 20. I have no signs of gyno whatsoever. And, 5-AR topicals are not more effective. Not at all. Ive tried then with and without Dut, and they made very little difference. The best combo is Dut, with 15% minox (which is not a 5-AR inhibitor but a stimulant). Ive spent TONS of time and money finding out what works. This combo works. Im not saying that its not a possiblility that blocking DHT may have some impact after 30 years of daily use, I just dont know. But I can say Ive been on it for 8 years and have yet to experience a side effect. No gyno, libido is still outta control strong as ever, and hair is staying in my head. With medical advances, of course its my hope to have an alternative in the near future that will let me keep my hair without the help of medications. Until then, thank you Dutasteride

[Billytk03z]

Im afraid to jump on DUTA..... scares the hell out of me..... getting on fin was hard for me but I did it... i started on .25mg wit no sides for a month and now Im up to .50mg...... I will run 1mg fin during cycles tho and knock down the green tea extract to inhibit type 1 dht......

[Toph99]

Ya Im never a big fan of taking on a new drug, but Ive been on .5mg/ED for over 3 years now without sides. One thing I read alot of with Finast, is that it can crap out on you after a couple years. Sure enough, 2 and a half years into using it, it flat our stopped working....just like that. So I got on Dut and it worked twice as well for me than the finast. And its worked longer than the finast did too. People seem to develop a tollerance to finast, but doesnt seem to happen so much with the Dut. All I know is, these drugs saved me from going through my 20s looking like George Castanza. It can be a very depressing stage, and Im glad Ive been able to fight it and treat it so far. Hopefully one day soon we will have a solid cure instead of treatments.

[Billytk03z]

Toph99, how much dut are you taking and do you have any sides?

[Billytk03z]

Heres something about green tea extract,,,,, its supposed to be a type 1 dht inhibitor and I had put it to the test personally.....

I had blood work done in Sept 06, my DHT was 61 ref>25-80...... after this test all I took was green tea extract for potential dht inhibitor at about 8 grams a day.... I had another blood test done at the end of 11/06 and my DHT level was 47....... From what my blood tests gather is that green tea works.... I will maintain my .50mg of fin to combat type 2 dht and 8 grams of green tea to combat type 1 dht and see what happens.... if it fails then I will jump on dut...

[Toph99]

No Ive never had sides from Fin or Dut. But I hear some do. I typically handle drugs well with little sides. Even ECA's and Clen, I have to take in higher than average doses becuase I have a somewhat high tollerance to meds by nature.

[Billytk03z]

bump.. want to keep this thread fresh

[king6]

Don't let these guys freak you out, I bet half of the bad mouthers have not even tried it. I'm on .5mg of duta, have been for about a months, dick works, no tits. And if it means I have to sacrifice some of my strength and weight in my cycle to keep my hair, so be it. There is always the next cyce.

[DNoMac]

What doses of AI's would you take with it to combat estrogen sides (during cycle)? Would a SERM work?