Cycle Critique

[Schwarzenegger]

Since only a few people seem to be helping and others seem to be acting like d*cks ive retracted my post.

[crash187ct]

your 160, and you've been training for 8 years??? honestly....i would be looking into the workout forum....and diet forum....


how old are you?

[Schwarzenegger]

Some help would be dope guyz

[SMAN12b]

OK, I am gonna try not to flame ya here so ,

What exactly are your goals out of this cycle?
Is this your first cycle? If not what were your others
Seriously at six feet and ONLY 160#, you shouldnt' even touch AAS until you can reach 200-210 NATURALLY !!

If you can't gain weight on your own, then steroids will be a complete waste for you as they DO NOT magically add weight to you , you have to EAT enough food to allow them to work

OK so your a vegatarian, How do you plan on getting enough Protein?
what type of Vegan are you? do you eat eggs, fish or strictly no animal products at all?

why are you using such low doses of your compounds?

It will be extremely difficult for you to get complete protiens without eating some MEAT
Steroids will do you NO good without the right amount of complete proteins

answer the questions and we can help you better

[Schwarzenegger]

edited

[TheAccountant]

I'm not a roid guru but I will give u a shot subject to your own decision...

*Should i start clomid on week 10 or 11?

start clomid 14 days after your last test injection ((((half-life)))

*Should I use DBOL to kickstart

This is optional for first time cycle but if your goal is to bulk firts it is recommendable for mass gain assuming your diet and training is optimal

*Should I replace Test cyp with Test Enanth? Which is one do you guys prefer?

Think of test E and test C as pepsi and coke, which one do u prefer is matter of choice. I'm currently taking 500mg of test E a week but I know a lot of people here prefer test C. So it iss your choice in the end.

[Xtralarg]

I dont think steroids are the answer, if you cant gain any weight naturally and are stuck at 160 you need to look at your diet and training first, there is no way they are both spot on at your weight.
Ok, you think you have them sorted, next problem is you're too young, start messing with AAS now and you will fvck your natty levels for good. Time is on your side, take advantage of this. Research your diet and training, adapt the best ways to suit you, train hard for the next 2 years then start to look into AAS.

[KeepingItBalanced]

first of all, i can't stay sleep tonight, grrr!

I'm new to the game, but here are just some things I wanted to add based on my research. it concern me that you are 160lbs, and been training so long. i think a change in diet and training could yield some better results.

1st thing, why tapper your doses? try to stick with the same throughout the cycle. i know you said you are only using one (multi-dose) vial of each compound during the cycle. but don't work around your gear on hand, wait until you have all the gear you need and the effective dose. 400mg/week test IMO.

for deca, 2 x your body weight for good results. so you should try to stick with 300 mg a week.

dbol kick starts i think are good. I am doing one right now at 25mg a day, and i think it makes a difference. I am the same height as you, ten years older(also been training around 10 years and started at probably 165lbs or so), and weighed 196 at the start of my cycle. A sufficient dose for you should be 25mg a day. you might be able to get by with 20, since you are only 160.

nolvadex....i'd just keep it on hand in case of gyno or if you get insane water retention that is killing you. use it for PCT with the clomid.

I don't like the fact that you are a vegitarian, i think it is harder on you and your training....but that's your business i suppose

[Schwarzenegger]

Yea, it totally makes it harder to gain mass but what can i say. Thanks for the help tho everybody, I appreciate it. Anybody else out there....?

[scubadoo]

ok i will only answer parts... here goes..


i like test C but i agree with the pepsi coke concept..

i think some Primobolan would help if you can get it.. helps with the low cal diet... I dont care what anyone says.. this is FACT.

good luck
and keep us posted..

[Schwarzenegger]

anybody else got some advice??

[chest6]

why try to bodybuild when you are a vegetarian?

Its almost like an oxymoron.

Not eating eggs or meat you might as well quit now

Harsh? Maybe. But really that is like trying to lose bodyfat without diet and cardio. You really cant bodybuild effectively. Sure you said beans and dairy products. What are you gonna do..drink a gallon of milk each meal?

[Mista Massive]

i apologise, but my rant is about to begin.

if you are serious about bodybuilding, THEN WHY THE F*CK AREN'T U EATING MEAT. meat, eggs, fish, poultry are THE FOOD OF BODYBUILDERS. oh yes brocoli and peas play a huge role when it comes to antioxidants. but meat is the way to go. you obviously don't care about bodybuilding enough to eat meat, then why would you bother wasting money on gear. spend a few bucks on a pound of steak. it's highly anabolic, and costs f*ck all.

sorry to be harsh, but it seems that lately, many ppl are saying they are committed but afraid to do things. like use needles or eat animals. i love this sport and would do whatever it takes.

i will stop my rant now



and at 6'0 and only 160 lbs, after 8 years? i would be embarrased if i weighed that after 8 minutes.

i was 132 lbs at the start of this year (before i started BB), and before gear, i weighed a nice 175 lbs. but i'm only 5'7"

is that you in the avatar?

[vitor]

Scale-weight doesnt mean anything...
There are 180 pound guys that looks much better and more deveolped than some 240 pound guys...

schwarzenegger-No need to pyramid the dosage, yust yust run it constant.

Nolva can up-regulate the progesterone recepter so dont use it on Deca since nadrolone is a noted progestin. Use letro instead, and start it atleast 2 weeks b/f the cycle.

Use Nolva and Aromasin at 20 mg ed in Pct.(myogenx is a greate addition to pct as well)

[Jason865]

You are way to small to cycle....6 fooot and 160, hell I was that at 14, and could raw bench 255.

[plzr8]

You are way to small to cycle....6 fooot and 160, hell I was that at 14, and could raw bench 255.

agreed, way too small


btw nice 14 year old stats

[Jucinator2]

yo bro I guess that's the deal . you've read what people have to say , Are you a bodybuilder or just trying to put a couple LBS. on. Most people here are serious builders and will take serious measures to gain size and strenght. But it's a free country Ha Ha!So If you can I would suggest getting more gear before you start and running the test at 500 mgs a week for 12 weeks and run t6he deca at 400mgs a week for 10 weeks. this should put some weight on you , like everyone has said thought, you need better protein sources , but there are vegitarian builders. I personally love meat and grow like a weed with red meat , good training , and gear, and don't forget sleep, thats when you grow. you also should be waking up in the middle of the night and drinking a big ass weight gainer drink of somr type!!!! best of luck

[S431M7]

anybody else got some advice??

train 2-3 yrs without the roid cycle u have above on this thread, and make sure u incorporate redmeat in your diet, I bet u will make a good progress.

good luck

[Manpretty]

and at 6'0 and only 160 lbs, after 8 years? i would be embarrased if i weighed that after 8 minutes.

i was 132 lbs at the start of this year (before i started BB), and before gear, i weighed a nice 175 lbs. but i'm only 5'7"

is that you in the avatar?

HHAHAHAHAHHA AND AGAIN HAHAHAHAHAHA i finally found out why you are such an ahole.....132 that is increadable.....and YOU take gear to get to 175 and then advise people not to take gear till they are at least 200 natty ......nice......way to have a double standard...im a 300meter sprinter and i weight about the same as you.....you are such a dip siht massive

and at 6'0 and only 160 lbs, after 8 years? i would be embarrased if i weighed that after 8 minutes.

i was 132 lbs at the start of this year (before i started BB), and before gear, i weighed a nice 175 lbs. but i'm only 5'7"

is that you in the avatar?

AND YOU ARE A "BODYBUILDER" that is funny stuff man.......

i should have known you have 700 posts since oct im sure youve done loads of research....unless of course you were a reader for a while....which i doubt

[evil pepsi]

HHAHAHAHAHHA AND AGAIN HAHAHAHAHAHA i finally found out why you are such an ahole.....132 that is increadable.....and YOU take gear to get to 175 and then advise people not to take gear till they are at least 200 natty ......nice......way to have a double standard...im a 300meter sprinter and i weight about the same as you.....you are such a dip siht massive

dude, you and i have disagreed in the past, but seriously, this will get you banned. you make some points every now and then, so dont blow it. personally, i am the same way, but there is a no flame policy, so i adhere to it.
i always welcome debate, so im just looking out for ya...

[pavlenko]

mista said he was 175lb before juicing, learn how to read

[Manpretty]

dude, you and i have disagreed in the past, but seriously, this will get you banned. you make some points every now and then, so dont blow it. personally, i am the same way, but there is a no flame policy, so i adhere to it.
i always welcome debate, so im just looking out for ya...

thanks buddy...just couldnt resist becasue ive been taking sooo much flack from this guy lately....ill agree im not right 100% of the time but at least i dont follow blindly

[chest6]

see..im not the only one. Manpretty-he said 175lbs before gear.

[t-gunz]

and at 6'0 and only 160 lbs, after 8 years? i would be embarrased if i weighed that after 8 minutes.
i was 132 lbs at the start of this year (before i started BB), and before gear, i weighed a nice 175 lbs. but i'm only 5'7"

is that you in the avatar?

LMFAO

[Dog-Slime]

Yes he obviously said 175 BEFORE gear. Nice jump goin from 132-175, how long did that take?

[Mista Massive]

mista said he was 175lb before juicing, learn how to read

that's right, i did say before gear.

see..im not the only one. Manpretty-he said 175lbs before gear.

right again

Yes he obviously said 175 BEFORE gear. Nice jump goin from 132-175, how long did that take?

yes. OBVIOUSLY. you really should learn how to read manpretty. and you definately should learn to stop attacking people at every chance you get. you are a newbie, and not one of your posts has been informative or has contributed positively to this board.

it took me 9 months to go from 132 lbs to 175 lbs. BEFORE GEAR

i didn't start juicing till i was 185 lbs, and that's only to help me overcome an injury. i am now nearly 200 lbs and half way into my cycle. my man tommy ^^^^^ has seen photo's. i will share them with everyone when i have finished my cycle.

[odix]

bro you gained 43 pounds naturally in 9 months, all BF or what, cause that is incredible, if i could do that, i would not touch juice.

[Mista Massive]

i know, but i was going through depression cos of the injury and made a really bad decision.

a lil bf of course.

i'll post pics if u want

[Manpretty]

a lil bf of course.

i'll post pics if u want

i would LOVE to see those

ps i dont care if you said 175 befroe gear or not you have advised MANY people not to jump on the gear till they are 200lbs natty

ps what have you contributed?...most of your posts are just ripping me up...and newbie hahahaha many i was a member of this board a MONTH before you.....i just dont post crap 80million times a day dog

[Mista Massive]

ps what have you contributed?...most of your posts are just ripping me up...and newbie hahahaha many i was a member of this board a MONTH before you.....i just dont post crap 80million times a day dog

dog?

this board is not a place for such crap, as much as myself and many others enjoy pointing out your many flaws and lack of knowledge, there are questions here to be answered.

what the person who posted was looking for;

Some help would be dope guyz

your reply;

HHAHAHAHAHHA AND AGAIN HAHAHAHAHAHA i finally found out why you are such an ahole.....132 that is increadable.....and YOU take gear to get to 175 and then advise people not to take gear till they are at least 200 natty ......nice......way to have a double standard...im a 300meter sprinter and i weight about the same as you.....you are such a dip siht massive

ps what have you contributed?...most of your posts are just ripping me up...and newbie hahahaha many i was a member of this board a MONTH before you.....i just dont post crap 80million times a day dog

i take it back, i'll be the bigger man and won't name call like this guy.

[mamias20918756]

ok..a mod should give an end to this S*it

[king6]

ps i dont care if you said 175 befroe gear or not you have advised MANY people not to jump on the gear till they are 200lbs natty

That may be what people advise but I doubt many people adhear to that. If I could get to 200 natty, then there would be no need for gear. I think that would be the way for alot of people. It's true I probably could get to 200lbs natty, but I don't feel like waiting that long. If you have been woking out seriously for a while and are eating right, I don't see what the difference would be at juicing at 150 or 180. I will admit 135 is a touch too small, there is room to work with there.

[Mista Massive]

ok..a mod should give an end to this S*it

that's why i have just done something about it. the person who posted and i are now talking through PM as manpretty is wasting his time.

That may be what people advise but I doubt many people adhear to that. If I could get to 200 natty, then there would be no need for gear. I think that would be the way for alot of people. It's true I probably could get to 200lbs natty, but I don't feel like waiting that long. If you have been woking out seriously for a while and are eating right, I don't see what the difference would be at juicing at 150 or 180. I will admit 135 is a touch too small, there is room to work with there.

i was 132, then trained naturally to 185, then started gear, and am now 200. and i completley agree that waiting around is just a bitch. even if it is only a few months.

[Manpretty]

That may be what people advise but I doubt many people adhear to that. If I could get to 200 natty, then there would be no need for gear. I think that would be the way for alot of people. It's true I probably could get to 200lbs natty, but I don't feel like waiting that long. If you have been woking out seriously for a while and are eating right, I don't see what the difference would be at juicing at 150 or 180. I will admit 135 is a touch too small, there is room to work with there.

i agree with you 100%...i just dont see why someone would say one thing and do another.... im 160ish i personally dont see anything wrong with massive being on gear i just dont like the fact he dosent do what he preaches.

in fact there are all kinds of people that take gear and never WANT to be 200lbs, there are other reasons to take gear than to BB

i was 132, then trained naturally to 185, then started gear, and am now 200. and i completley agree that waiting around is just a bitch. even if it is only a few months.

you gained 53lbs natty in the last year? right on man

look man this sholud be done now ok?......remember in the oral only gains thread when you were getting burned up, well if you notice i didnt add to it like your done in other thread. so leave it at that, if i say something that is wrong or dont communicate what im trying to say properly call me on it, but dont badger me about every post i make....and try and make more out of it than there is...and ill do the same for you

and honestly 53 natty is really good keep it up

pz manpretty

[G-1000]

Send me a pm if your haveing a problem.

[Jason865]

you gained 53lbs natty in the last year?

I gained 67lbs natty last year.

[G-1000]

I gained 67lbs natty last year.

[Jason865]

10lbs LBM a year natty is very good. The first year training if you are in the top 1% you might gain 20lbs LBM . Actually it took me 6 years to gain 67lbs LBM annd I'm proud as hell of that.

[Manpretty]

10lbs LBM a year natty is very good. The first year training if you are in the top 1% you might gain 20lbs LBM . Actually it took me 6 years to gain 67lbs LBM annd I'm proud as hell of that.

no no it just sounded like you meant 67lbs in one year not the 7 youve been training thats all

Send me a pm if your haveing a problem.

i dont think there is any need for that...
both of us have been wrong about things and it got a little over heated so i dont think we need to jump the gun
thanks tho
manpretty

[Swifto]

HHAHAHAHAHHA AND AGAIN HAHAHAHAHAHA i finally found out why you are such an ahole.....132 that is increadable.....and YOU take gear to get to 175 and then advise people not to take gear till they are at least 200 natty ......nice......way to have a double standard...im a 300meter sprinter and i weight about the same as you.....you are such a dip siht massive


AND YOU ARE A "BODYBUILDER" that is funny stuff man.......

i should have known you have 700 posts since oct im sure youve done loads of research....unless of course you were a reader for a while....which i doubt

Tut Tut.

You'll be lucky if you only get suspension.