Why doesn't every1 use clen for pct?

[Getbig06]

I've read only a few threads where a user adds clen to their pct for it's anti-catabolic effect. I'm curious why this isn't something that is done everytime for every PCT? I could only see it as something beneficial for it's anti-catabolic effect and fat loss. It's a win-win situation in my mind. This board recommends test for the base of every cycle, why don't we also recommend clen for every PCT? Any one else feel the same?

[duramaxedge]

some people cant stand or dont like the affects 'sides' of clen..

[Getbig06]

some people cant stand or dont like the affects 'sides' of clen..

Dude, there has to be something better than that. You mean to tell me the sides of clen are worse than the sides of some AAS? No way. Anti-catabolic (keep more gains while off) and fat loss (who doesn't want that??)

[chest6]

I haven't found clen to be THAT anti-catabolic in my own experiences. Looking more into insulin.

[duramaxedge]

well, i guess what I was saying is.. for me in my professional career its difficult to work with shaking hands etc. so I think its probably the same for others.. and I never said the sides are worse.. just for some could be un-managable..

[Getbig06]

well, i guess what I was saying is.. for me in my professional career its difficult to work with shaking hands etc. so I think its probably the same for others.. and I never said the sides are worse.. just for some could be un-managable..

I understand.

[king6]

Dude, there has to be something better than that. You mean to tell me the sides of clen are worse than the sides of some AAS? No way. Anti-catabolic (keep more gains while off) and fat loss (who doesn't want that??)

Not everyone reacts the same to each compound. I have read threads where people have had horrible headaches and puked all day, just on 60mcg of clen. I personally have run it at 120mcg, and only had slightly elevated blood pressure, and a faster heart rate. My muscles did get harder and more defined, and this was a time when I was sick and was already losing weight. But I didn't lose any muscle mass. I will include clen in my future pct.

[Getbig06]

I think I'm going to throw clen into every pct I do from now on out too... I just don't see why not.

[donberry427]

I know for a fact that it would suck to be on clen if i had bad sides with it... I was on ephedrine for 2 months and i would just take one pill (20mg?) a time while i would run... the plus side i was sheeding fat like crazy but the downside is after running i couldnt sit still and had a crazy heart beat and was sweating all the time ... til it left my system... Oh and i couldnt sleep well at all

Also I would have such a crazy pump while on it i would stop my workout because it was so bad...

I couldnt imagine having those effects 24/7

[duramaxedge]

well.. I cant say I dont agree.. it works for me.. and I will use it as well.. so good post man.

[*Narkissos*]

Dude, there has to be something better than that. You mean to tell me the sides of clen are worse than the sides of some AAS? No way.

Yes.

Clen is poison.

I wouldn't feed it to someone i hated.

Anti-catabolic (keep more gains while off) and fat loss (who doesn't want that??)

I didn't find clen to be anti-catabolic... and i'm not obese.. So who cares about it's fat loss properties?

Slin however is included in all my PCTs

[Getbig06]

Clen is poison.

Even if taken at the right doses?

I didn't find clen to be anti-catabolic... and i'm not obese.. So who cares about it's fat loss properties?

Slin however is included in all my PCTs

I'm not talking about obesity, but I mean staying lean as much as possible (cardio and spot on diet considered)while coming off...

[chest6]

I'm not talking about obesity, but I mean staying lean while coming off...

Really didnt help me cut too much fat that I wouldn't have with diet/cardio alone either. Basically just gives me the shakes. So
1. Isn't really that anti catabolic IMO
2. Isn't really that great with supplementing fat loss

Why include it?

[Hunter]

Even if taken at the right doses?







I'm not talking about obesity, but I mean staying lean while coming off...

What I think Nark was saying is that he see's no point in it becouse he stays lean year around. Also clen's anti catabolic are overstated in many members minds. Nark uses slin in the place of clen since the slin allows him to shuttle nutrients to his muscles much more effectively, well bring his natty test levels back up during pct.

[king6]

What I think Nark was saying is that he see's no point in it becouse he stays lean year around. Also clen's anti catabolic are overstated in many members minds. Nark uses slin in the place of clen since the slin allows him to shuttle nutrients to his muscles much more effectively, well bring his natty test levels back up during pct.

Slin can be more dangerous than clen if used wrong, if I'm not mistaken. But then again, anything can be dangerous if used improperly.

[Getbig06]

Slin can be more dangerous than clen if used wrong, if I'm not mistaken. But then again, anything can be dangerous if used improperly.

Agreed.... But I would like to know more about peoples personal exp with clen as an anti-catabolic

[king6]

Agreed.... But I would like to know more about peoples personal exp with clen as an anti-catabolic

Well, like I stated a couple of weeks ago I got sick. I was in the middle of a clen cycle. I wasn't eating much, or working out. I was losing weight and fat, but my muscle mass stayed, and actually got harder and more defined.

[MartyMcFly]

I tried clen and didn't like it one bit. Never again.

[Maldorf]

Ive done clen, and will use it again but its anti-catabolic properties arent anything to brag about. Not going to see anything there really. Now for fat loss it was quite effective for me.

[IBdmfkr]

Clen is unnecessary and all in all a bad drug IMO.

[Getbig06]

Clen is unnecessary and all in all a bad drug IMO.

Can u elaborate a little? bump for more responses.
I mean everything we take can potentially be harmful if not done right and if the proper precautions aren't taken. But if clen is taken right won't it be ok? Where is Beast the clen king on this?

[IBdmfkr]

I've taken it and wasn't impressed. With all the potential sides ephedra and Clen can and do cause compared to the benefits it's not even close to being worth running IMO ofcourse.

Also if you have any indications of heart problems in your family it's a drug that I'd avoid for sure.
People kind of see clen and T3 as this magical pill/liquid that will shed fat with no side-effects and little to no work involved. Nothing comes for free.

[nathanlgd]

Since learning about clen some time ago I always use it now as part of PCT, its properties are perfect for the end of any cycle - help keep gains and lose body fat. Makes sense to me?

[firedso]

anti-catabolic my ass. When i took clen i lost a shitload of strength and muscle mass. Mabye it has different effects on people but for me it was more catabolic then anything else. Not to mention i felt like crap and was shaking all the time. Sure i lost fat but more muscle with it. IMO something cant be anti-catabolic if it makes you feel like crap. Unless were talking about tren

[igorotsp]

Clen made me start shaking most of the time and had a difficult time sleeping.

[BladesOfBlood]

Lots Of Good Info. GetBig - Let me know how that works out for you. I have clen, but have not used it yet.

[stupidhippo]

i liked clen, found it helpful in PCT

[RA]

I didnt read all the posts so I dont know if this has been mentioned but clen thickens the walls in your heart. I suppose you use it long enough you will have a giant pumper that hardly pumps anything.

That being said I personally still use it sometimes.

[Getbig06]

I didnt read all the posts so I dont know if this has been mentioned but clen thickens the walls in your heart. I suppose you use it long enough you will have a giant pumper that hardly pumps anything.

That being said I personally still use it sometimes.

How long is long enough?

[RA]

How long is long enough?

Well its like smoking, a cumilitive thing. Heart disease is already the #1 killer so its like subtracting years from your life. Same thing with using eca excessively

[stupidhippo]

Well its like smoking, a cumilitive thing. Heart disease is already the #1 killer so its like subtracting years from your life. Same thing with using eca excessively

what do u mean by this... the damage that clen causes to the heart is still not certain IMO.. it causes necrosis/apoptosis with large doses but with BB doses its still under debate.. the hypertrophy it causes to the heart muscle should be reversible... unless used excessively.. its the scart issue formation Im more worried.. all in all I think its safer to stay away from clen or if u use it dont use it too much too often..

[RA]

what do u mean by this... the damage that clen causes to the heart is still not certain IMO.. it causes necrosis/apoptosis with large doses but with BB doses its still under debate.. the hypertrophy it causes to the heart muscle should be reversible... unless used excessively.. its the scart issue formation Im more worried.. all in all I think its safer to stay away from clen or if u use it dont use it too much too often..

As stated above it thickens the walls of your heart. The net effect after prolonged use is reduced cardiac output. But your right that if you use it just a little the harmful affects should be negligable.

[Snrf]

Why doesnt everyone use it for pct?

Because it's fvcking horrible, horrible stuff....20mcg is enough to make me feel like I spent the weekend living as a crackhead..horrible

[stupidhippo]

As stated above it thickens the walls of your heart. The net effect after prolonged use is reduced cardiac output. But your right that if you use it just a little the harmful affects should be negligable.

so can heavy exercise and also AAS cause hypertrophy of the cardiac muscle... Reduced cardiac output would require a lot more than just some thickening of the wall.. TO get diastolic or systolic dysfunction u would need pretty significant changes in the heart.. I stll aint convinced that this process associated with clen is cumulative.. i.e if u do a 10 weeker of clen every year that would the damage (concerning hypertrophy of the heart) be cumulative.

[RA]

http://www.med.unsw.edu.au/NDARCWeb....FACT+SHEET.pdf

[stupidhippo]

ahh.. thats what i said earlier there.. its the scar tissue formation (i.e collagen mostly) due to apoptosis/necrosis what im mostly worried.. we pretty much said the same thing.. u just said enlargening and I didnt understand u meant enlargening due to collagen fibres.. since clen cause enlargening of the muscle cells too supposedly.. (with the right dose). but ive read prolly most of the studies they are referring in that text and IMO the evidence aint clear yet.. its enough for me to imit the use of clen.. they are mostly animal studies and usually with really high doses.. some studies do say that somesort of an effect can be seen with the doses BB use.. but havent found any quantitative reports on the extent of damage..

[Mike Dura]

I've taken ephedra and I love the feeling and I got good results for fat loss. The downside was the ephedra crash! Other than that I had an elevated heart rate and profuse sweating while doing cardio. I've never tried clen but I'm going to use it with T3 this on-season. I'm worried about cramping but I'll take some taurine. I'm hoping I don't get insomnia seeing that it stays active for 36 hours. I'll use benadryl for sleep. I hope clen sides aren't too bad for me.

I've taken it and wasn't impressed. With all the potential sides ephedra and Clen can and do cause compared to the benefits it's not even close to being worth running IMO ofcourse.

Also if you have any indications of heart problems in your family it's a drug that I'd avoid for sure.
People kind of see clen and T3 as this magical pill/liquid that will shed fat with no side-effects and little to no work involved. Nothing comes for free.

[longhorn814]

clen sucks, ive heard better things about albuterol, but I havent tried it. 100 mcgs of clen gave me a resting heart rate of 120 beats/minute, elevated my blood pressure, and had two abnornal EKG's indicating an enlarged left ventricle. Fortunately my EKG's are normal again, but that shit aint worth damaging my heart....the shakes from it were terrible too...people thought I had been tweaked out for days!!!

[*Narkissos*]

Even if taken at the right doses?

There are no 'right' doses.

I'm not talking about obesity, but I mean staying lean as much as possible (cardio and spot on diet considered)while coming off...

If that's the sole reason to take it while coming off... the adherance to a spot-on diet plus a sensible cardio routine makes the addition of clen obsolete.

Clen is anabolic soley in animal trials.

Its use in PCT is over-rated... misrepresented rather.

[stupidhippo]

in my opinion clen is anabolic to a degree.. potentially very anabolic but with doses we cannot even think about.. for our purposes Id go with what most ppl here say : clen is not needed.