2nd Cycle-Looking for critiques

[JEEP_XJ_4x4]

Hello all

I'll start w/ the basics :

Height - 5-10
weight - 175
BF% - 12
Routine :

Monday/Thursday - Back/Bi's
Tuesday/Friday - Chest/Tri's
Wednesday/Saturday - Legs
***I also do abs,forearms,cardio daily(about 20 mins each)

Diet - No strict diet, but I eat pretty healthy
Supplements - Multi-Vitamin,Fish oil, Protein,Apple cider vinegar,Oregano oil

I did an 8 week cycle back in '04 consisting of 375mg Sust/wk, 200mg Test E/wk and 2 weeks of 25mg/day Dbol at the beginning. I PCT'd for 10 days at the end w/ 100mg clomid/day.

When I started that cycle I weighed 151 W/ a BF% of 5. I ended at 188 w/ the same BF%. But I will note that 2 months prior to the start of that cycle I had started losing weight at about a pound a day. I went from 180 to 150 in a month, and it stopped after that. My doctor said I had anxiety issues. So I never felt hungry and therefore ate about 500 cals/day.

So anyway that is why I got onto doing my first cycle. And i was very pleased w/ the results. Great weight gains and awsome strength gains.
Of course I do not expect this next one to yield those results.

Onto my goals. I am trying to get my weight up to around 200. I'm not looking to get into any competitions or anything. But I wouldnt mind some decent strength gaing either. I also want to cut up a little more.

In going into this next cycle I will, of course, start keeping tabs on my diet and eating more clean. I am also looking into some different supplements. I want to get an NO product incorporated, and(at the constant nagging of my buddy-i mean daily) maybe a creatine product.

As you can tell from the first cycle, I didnt do a few things right. Mainly I didnt do much research, I mostly let my buddy handle that. But I'm still here so it didnt go bad. This time however I wanted to do a little better than "I'm still here so it didnt go bad."

On to the 2nd cycle.
I read quite a bit this time and got a lot of great tips and ideas. I want to thank TheMudMan for his great article -"Cycles for the Newbie". Anyone thinking about doing this for the first time should definately give it a read.

I heeded much advice found in the articles I read in deciding on this cycle and came up with a 12 week one. I deciced to go with TheMudMans' PCT for this one(which will be listed below).

2 week Precycle(all pills) :
Nolva 10mg/day - Adex .25mg/day

Cycle :
Week 1-4 Dbol(pill) 50mg/day
Week 1-9 Test E(liquid) 400mg/week
Week 1-9 EQ(liquid) 400mg/week
Week 7-11 Winny(pill) 50mg/day
Week 1-12Nolva(pill) 10 mg/day
Week 1-12 Adex(pill) .25mg/day

PCT : Starting day after week 12(all pills)
Day 1 Clomid 300mg / Nolva 20mg / Adex .25 mg
Day 2-30 Clomid 100mg / Nolva 20mg / Adex .25 mg
Day 31-37 Nolva 20mg / Adex .25mg

So thats what i got. I will be starting my cycle in the beginning of March. So I need to order by February. All suggestions/critiques are greatly appreciated.

[italianplayboy09]

you dont have a day for shoulders on your workout routine?

[Hunter]

Hello all

I'll start w/ the basics :

Height - 5-10
weight - 175
BF% - 12
Routine :

Monday/Thursday - Back/Bi's
Tuesday/Friday - Chest/Tri's
Wednesday/Saturday - Legs
***I also do abs,forearms,cardio daily(about 20 mins each)

Diet - No strict diet, but I eat pretty healthy
Supplements - Multi-Vitamin,Fish oil, Protein,Apple cider vinegar,Oregano oil

I did an 8 week cycle back in '04 consisting of 375mg Sust/wk, 200mg Test E/wk and 2 weeks of 25mg/day Dbol at the beginning. I PCT'd for 10 days at the end w/ 100mg clomid/day.

When I started that cycle I weighed 151 W/ a BF% of 5. I ended at 188 w/ the same BF%. But I will note that 2 months prior to the start of that cycle I had started losing weight at about a pound a day. I went from 180 to 150 in a month, and it stopped after that. My doctor said I had anxiety issues. So I never felt hungry and therefore ate about 500 cals/day.

So anyway that is why I got onto doing my first cycle. And i was very pleased w/ the results. Great weight gains and awsome strength gains.
Of course I do not expect this next one to yield those results.

Onto my goals. I am trying to get my weight up to around 200. I'm not looking to get into any competitions or anything. But I wouldnt mind some decent strength gaing either. I also want to cut up a little more.

In going into this next cycle I will, of course, start keeping tabs on my diet and eating more clean. I am also looking into some different supplements. I want to get an NO product incorporated, and(at the constant nagging of my buddy-i mean daily) maybe a creatine product.

As you can tell from the first cycle, I didnt do a few things right. Mainly I didnt do much research, I mostly let my buddy handle that. But I'm still here so it didnt go bad. This time however I wanted to do a little better than "I'm still here so it didnt go bad."

On to the 2nd cycle.
I read quite a bit this time and got a lot of great tips and ideas. I want to thank TheMudMan for his great article -"Cycles for the Newbie". Anyone thinking about doing this for the first time should definately give it a read.

I heeded much advice found in the articles I read in deciding on this cycle and came up with a 12 week one. I deciced to go with TheMudMans' PCT for this one(which will be listed below).

2 week Precycle(all pills) :
Nolva 10mg/day - Adex .25mg/day

Cycle :
Week 1-4 Dbol(pill) 50mg/day I would back that down some 2nd run doest need to be that high in my opinion, 30-40 mg would be better.
Week 1-9 Test E(liquid) 400mg/week
Week 1-9 EQ(liquid) 400mg/week I would bump this up to 600 mg
Week 7-11 Winny(pill) 50mg/day
Week 1-12Nolva(pill) 10 mg/day With armidex no need to run this to.
Week 1-12 Adex(pill) .25mg/day

PCT : Starting day after week 12(all pills)
Day 1 Clomid 300mg / Nolva 20mg / Adex .25 mg
Day 2-30 Clomid 100mg / Nolva 20mg / Adex .25 mg
Day 31-37 Nolva 20mg / Adex .25mg

So thats what i got. I will be starting my cycle in the beginning of March. So
I need to order by February. All suggestions/critiques are greatly appreciated.

I made some comments on what I would change but I think you should look into the diet and workout forum. Get that spot on before you go ahead with this cycle.

[JEEP_XJ_4x4]

As far as shoulders go, I just incorporate that into back. So yes I do shoulders on my back/bi days.

[Booz]

the EQ should be ran for a minimum of 12 weeks so you should extend the test to week 13,change the rest of your cycle accordingly..............

[MartyMcFly]

As far as shoulders go, I just incorporate that into back. So yes I do shoulders on my back/bi days.

Only two days off shoulders per week. Ouch!!! I would definately change up that routine.

[JEEP_XJ_4x4]

The routine is only 2 days on shoulders/week. Thanks for the replies so far everyone.

[dhriscerr]

Like Booz said run EQ for atleast 12 weeks, and you have to run Test E one week more because of halflife and PCT start times, I was going to run test for 10 weeks and bumped it up to 12 on the advice of this board, it takes 4-6 weeks for test e to really be felt so you dont want to stop at 9 weeks. Another thing you took 575 mgs of test your first cycle and saw results, why would you bump your second cycle down to 400mgs?? and dont forget 2 shots a week

[MartyMcFly]

Hello all

I'll start w/ the basics :

Height - 5-10
weight - 175
BF% - 12
Routine :

Monday/Thursday - Back/Bi's
Tuesday/Friday - Chest/Tri's
Wednesday/Saturday - Legs
***I also do abs,forearms,cardio daily(about 20 mins each)

Diet - No strict diet, but I eat pretty healthy
Supplements - Multi-Vitamin,Fish oil, Protein,Apple cider vinegar,Oregano oil

I did an 8 week cycle back in '04 consisting of 375mg Sust/wk, 200mg Test E/wk and 2 weeks of 25mg/day Dbol at the beginning. I PCT'd for 10 days at the end w/ 100mg clomid/day.

When I started that cycle I weighed 151 W/ a BF% of 5. I ended at 188 w/ the same BF%. But I will note that 2 months prior to the start of that cycle I had started losing weight at about a pound a day. I went from 180 to 150 in a month, and it stopped after that. My doctor said I had anxiety issues. So I never felt hungry and therefore ate about 500 cals/day.

So anyway that is why I got onto doing my first cycle. And i was very pleased w/ the results. Great weight gains and awsome strength gains.
Of course I do not expect this next one to yield those results.

Onto my goals. I am trying to get my weight up to around 200. I'm not looking to get into any competitions or anything. But I wouldnt mind some decent strength gaing either. I also want to cut up a little more.

In going into this next cycle I will, of course, start keeping tabs on my diet and eating more clean. I am also looking into some different supplements. I want to get an NO product incorporated, and(at the constant nagging of my buddy-i mean daily) maybe a creatine product.

As you can tell from the first cycle, I didnt do a few things right. Mainly I didnt do much research, I mostly let my buddy handle that. But I'm still here so it didnt go bad. This time however I wanted to do a little better than "I'm still here so it didnt go bad."

On to the 2nd cycle.
I read quite a bit this time and got a lot of great tips and ideas. I want to thank TheMudMan for his great article -"Cycles for the Newbie". Anyone thinking about doing this for the first time should definately give it a read.

I heeded much advice found in the articles I read in deciding on this cycle and came up with a 12 week one. I deciced to go with TheMudMans' PCT for this one(which will be listed below).

2 week Precycle(all pills) :
Nolva 10mg/day - Adex .25mg/day

Cycle :
Week 1-4 Dbol(pill) 50mg/day
Week 1-9 Test E(liquid) 400mg/week
Week 1-9 EQ(liquid) 400mg/week
Week 7-11 Winny(pill) 50mg/day
Week 1-12Nolva(pill) 10 mg/day
Week 1-12 Adex(pill) .25mg/day

PCT : Starting day after week 12(all pills)
Day 1 Clomid 300mg / Nolva 20mg / Adex .25 mg
Day 2-30 Clomid 100mg / Nolva 20mg / Adex .25 mg
Day 31-37 Nolva 20mg / Adex .25mg

So thats what i got. I will be starting my cycle in the beginning of March. So I need to order by February. All suggestions/critiques are greatly appreciated.

You are working your shoulders on everyday that is in bold. I was wrong you have 3 days a week that they can rest. I am sorry. Put shoulders in chest/tris if anything.

[JEEP_XJ_4x4]

I guess I'm trying to keep this at a 12 week cycle. So could I just drop the EQ and maybe just bump the Test-E to 600 and keep the rest of the cycle the same.

[JEEP_XJ_4x4]

OK this is what I have now(keeping it at 12 weeks)

Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg/day
Week 1-10 Test-E 500mg/day
Week 8-12 Winny 50mg/day

Also a quick question on the Dbol, how should i spread that out. I have 10mg tabs, so i will be taking 4/day.

[JEEP_XJ_4x4]

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