****in dbol

[seminole635]

Ok so I'm 2 weeks into dbol... I increased my cals quite a bit at first, and my weight went up but I started getting fat. So I lowered them a little, but then I stopped gaining weight. So then I increased them again and I've started gaining but I look godamm fat again. Is it just bloat and I'm being a bitch about it?? I'm getting pissed. I feel like it isnt because its all around my stomach and not much on my face.

[JohnboyF]

Are u runnin an Anti -E???

what's your current diet like?

Are you doing cardio? if its all around ur stomach i would assume u put on some fat

[Bigmax]

Bro,A bit of research and asking questions would have helped but heres the thing dbol brings a great deal of water(bloat) and thats what most of your gains are going to be...once off you will spill and be back to where you started...

[ekeaz]

The above is not true ^^^... you will not be right where you started... for example, you will gain 26 lbs and keep a good 16 lbs of that give or take a pound or two... but you definitly won't lose all of your gains... try stacking it with test... unless you are afraid of the needle... then try an all oral cycle with winny tabs... but be prepared to do some liver damage

[Jefferey]

Bro,A bit of research and asking questions would have helped but heres the thing dbol brings a great deal of water(bloat) and thats what most of your gains are going to be...once off you will spill and be back to where you started...

Truth be spoken.. And then what did you get out of it poster besides less money in your wallet?

[pwerfll1]

dude your unreal! now your a pro

[GHO5T]

The above is not true ^^^... you will not be right where you started... for example, you will gain 26 lbs and keep a good 16 lbs of that give or take a pound or two... but you definitly won't lose all of your gains... try stacking it with test... unless you are afraid of the needle... then try an all oral cycle with winny tabs... but be prepared to do some liver damage

I believe bigmax was referring to losing gains when off the dbol.

IMO there is truth to this, since most of the weight is water, and most if not all gains will be lost when off the compound (dbol). Maybe not very quickly but it will happen.

BTW what kind of advice are you giving out bro, to do an only oral cycle, not very useful or smart info.

[seminole635]

Ok chill out. I am taking test but that wont kick in for another 2 weeks. I just feel like the dbol is not working because whenever I started eating I just gain fat. And I dont believe for a second that dbol gives you nothing but water... if you consistently gain 5lbs/week for 4 weeks theres no way youre just adding more and more water every week. People who say dbol does nothing are exagerating the water retention. If it really did nothing then nobody would take it. I'm starting arimidex tomorrow.

/end thread

[numbat]

Ok so I'm 2 weeks into dbol... I increased my cals quite a bit at first, and my weight went up but I started getting fat. So I lowered them a little, but then I stopped gaining weight. So then I increased them again and I've started gaining but I look godamm fat again. Is it just bloat and I'm being a bitch about it?? I'm getting pissed. I feel like it isnt because its all around my stomach and not much on my face.

Seminole how much d-bol are u takin.? Unless its an astronomical amount i would worry bout it to much u can run an anti-e as mentioned above or up cardio .If u arent encountering any sides other than some bloat i would keep the cals high and stable and continue on bro . Now if ur hair is falling out at the rate of my girlfriends cat or u feel like u been kicked in the lower back by a racehorse i might advise otherwise..

[GHO5T]

Ok chill out. I am taking test but that wont kick in for another 2 weeks. I just feel like the dbol is not working because whenever I started eating I just gain fat. And I dont believe for a second that dbol gives you nothing but water... if you consistently gain 5lbs/week for 4 weeks theres no way youre just adding more and more water every week. People who say dbol does nothing are exagerating the water retention. If it really did nothing then nobody would take it. I'm starting arimidex tomorrow.

/end thread

Dbol or Drol is taken to kickstart gains, as one waits for the longer ester AAS kicks in.

Its used by a user, to see some gains quickly, and the faster one sees gains, the harder the user will work and will get more motivated.

Dbol isnt used as your main AAS, and isnt meant to be used to gain most or all your gains off the compound in the cycle.

BTW just curious bro, what are your stats (height, weight, bf%, etc...)

[Jefferey]

The above is not true ^^^... you will not be right where you started... for example, you will gain 26 lbs and keep a good 16 lbs of that give or take a pound or two... but you definitly won't lose all of your gains... try stacking it with test... unless you are afraid of the needle... then try an all oral cycle with winny tabs... but be prepared to do some liver damage

Dude you have a post up about doing D-bol only and make a statement about being afraid of a needle...If your so smart, why are you posting question instaed of just giving advice like a lot of others here with experience do....Don't give advice as you have no knowledge of anabolic steroids.

[Maldorf]

From my experience, almost all if not all of your gains from a dbol cycle will be lost once you go off. I was a fool once too, and took 2 dbol only cycles when I was young and made great gains, but lost about 3/4 of the weight and strength I had put on.

[king6]

I'm on day 20 of test e and dbol. I am running Armidex so my weight gain has not been dramatic, only 10 lbs so far. But my strength is impressive. Honostly I wouldn't run Dbol again, I think there are better kickstarts out there, such as prop.

[seminole635]

Once again I am taking test with it and I know dbol only isnt a cycle but I dont like how some people think that you add test and suddenly the dbol is now effective. Just because something retains water doesnt mean it doesnt work... shit test retains alot of water and nobody talks about that. Not questioning your knowlege at all, I just had a question and everyone decided to start bashing dbol instead like always.. I'm 5'9, 187lb, bf% maybe 10-12 I'm not sure (could be higher now its hard to tell cuz of bloat.)

[seminole635]

Test enanthate bloats you like a mofo and when you come off that you lose alot of your gains but everyone loves that shit... I just dont understand. I agree dbol isnt that great but its not as bad as everyone says.

[GFLEXXX]

I don't think everyone is bashing it or saying it is bad. It is bros who have used it and informing you there results which in itself is good info. for you to interpret as you will. Dbol is what is.

List your diet and maybe everyone can help you out in those regards. IMO your eperience on Dbol thus far is not out of the ordinary for this compound.

[GHO5T]

Most of the bloat caused by certain compounds, can be controlled to some degree depending what your diet is set up like and whether you opt to run an AI or not.

Keeping and losing gains, is dependent on how you run a PCT and your diet within that period of time. If you do a shitty job of these two aspects, than doesnt matter what compounds you ran or how much you gained, you will loose it.

Most of the gains one makes off of a compound like Test E is mainly actual weight, a little fat and mostly muscle (depends on diet).

Most of the gains made off of Dbol is weight but its mainly water weight, and thats why most users report a sudden loss of weight once off the compound. Since its easier to loose water weight.

[IBdmfkr]

This thread is pretty funny.

[Manpretty]

I believe bigmax was referring to losing gains when off the dbol.

IMO there is truth to this, since most of the weight is water, and most if not all gains will be lost when off the compound (dbol). Maybe not very quickly but it will happen.

BTW what kind of advice are you giving out bro, to do an only oral cycle, not very useful or smart info.

ghost you are an add test and check your diet parrot

[Getbig06]

I'm on day 20 of test e and dbol. I am running Armidex so my weight gain has not been dramatic, only 10 lbs so far. But my strength is impressive. Honostly I wouldn't run Dbol again, I think there are better kickstarts out there, such as prop.

I feel the same way... I wondered why some bros kickstart with dbol (which is mostly water, and you end up loosing most of your gains) instead of prop.

[GHO5T]

ghost you are an add test and check your diet parrot

where did i say "add test" or "check your diet" in that post

[Drummerboy]

This thread is pretty funny.

thats kinda what i was thinkin....

~DB~

[Manpretty]

Most of the bloat caused by certain compounds, can be controlled to some degree depending what your diet is set up like and whether you opt to run an AI or not.

Keeping and losing gains, is dependent on how you run a PCT and your diet within that period of time. If you do a shitty job of these two aspects, than doesnt matter what compounds you ran or how much you gained, you will loose it.

Most of the gains one makes off of a compound like Test E is mainly actual weight, a little fat and mostly muscle (depends on diet).

Most of the gains made off of Dbol is weight but its mainly water weight, and thats why most users report a sudden loss of weight once off the compound. Since its easier to loose water weight.

ummmm test make some people hold alot of water to there bud......maybe check the diet....oral only suck and so on right ghost?

[IBdmfkr]

I feel the same way... I wondered why some bros kickstart with dbol (which is mostly water, and you end up loosing most of your gains) instead of prop.

I never gain much water when taking Drol or Dbol.. check your diet and learn a thing or two about compounds and try them before you respond.

95% of ppl on these boards are simply repeating shit they know nothing about, why would anyone come to a message board for steroid advice..
Pick up a book or do your own research.

Btw, I've known many ppl to take only oral cycles and actually make decent gains, not suggesting anyone go and do it though.

[seminole635]

I will kickstart with prop in the future... this is my first run with dbol which is why I have been asking questions. I knew that bloat was a side of dbol obviously, but when it actually happened to me I assumed it was fat cuz I rarely experience sides. Its probably water ... i'm just gonna keep eating. I figure if I can put on 20lbs before the test kicks in then at least I got maybe 10lbs of real muscle if I'm lucky before I start making test gains. Also, can I run arimidex into my PCT and then just cut it out like 2 weeks prior to stopping clomid???

[Getbig06]

I never gain much water when taking Drol or Dbol.. check your diet and learn a thing or two about compounds and try them before you respond.

95% of ppl on these boards are simply repeating shit they know nothing about, why would anyone come to a message board for steroid advice..
Pick up a book or do your own research.

Btw, I've known many ppl to take only oral cycles and actually make decent gains, not suggesting anyone go and do it though.

It's funny, to see one mod say something and then have another say something else...In the same thread too. I was quoting something Big Max said...

Bro,A bit of research and asking questions would have helped but heres the thing dbol brings a great deal of water(bloat) and thats what most of your gains are going to be...once off you will spill and be back to where you started...

I haven't even taken Dbol. But if I wanted to kick start gains it just makes more sense (to me at least) to just kickstart with a faster actting test without having to throw orals in the equation.

[GHO5T]

ummmm test make some people hold alot of water to there bud......maybe check the diet....oral only suck and so on right ghost?

I never stated that test makes some people hold alot of water. I was explaining how one can avoid bloat when running some compounds, such as adding an AI or changing ones diet.

"maybe check the diet" never stated this. I was explaining how if one doesnt run a proper PCT (including diet) than gains will be lost.

"only orals suck" where did i state this in the post.

[IBdmfkr]

I wasn't picking on you individually, it's just funny to see ppl comment on things when I'm pretty sure they haven't tried it themselves.. and even then they think another person will react the same way to a compound as they will.

Anabolics is one of those things ppl really need to do trial and error themselves, one person can't tell another what will work and what won't, they can simply try and steer them in the right direction.
That's why I rarely come in this part of the forum.

If any of you want to grow, spend more time in the diet/training forums and post questions there, it'll do you more good than researching anabolics all the time.

[seminole635]

^^^ This guys jacked... I would do what he says.

[IBdmfkr]

I've spoken to Ghost on a few PM's.. I agree he's quite knowledgable. That doesn't mean he necessarily knows more than another person but obviously he knows a thing or two about what he's talking about to make it thus far.

Another thing, I'm sure he spends most of his time learning about diet/training

[Getbig06]

^^^ This guys jacked... I would do what he says.

[GHO5T]

I feel the same way... I wondered why some bros kickstart with dbol (which is mostly water, and you end up loosing most of your gains) instead of prop.

IMO one of the reasons some bros opt for running say dbol or drol in a cycle is because its easier.

One thinks about either popping a pill or injecting a compound (which is known to cause some pain). And of course most choose the dbol, since its easier to take.

[Getbig06]

IMO one of the reasons some bros opt for running say dbol or drol in a cycle is because its easier.

One thinks about either popping a pill or injecting a compound (which is known to cause some pain). And of course most choose the dbol, since its easier to take.

True, but pain aside... Which would you say is most beneficial or give you better results at the end?

[Getbig06]

Anthony Roberts says:
The researchers concluded that Dbol increases Fat Free Mass as well as increasing strength and performance. I can only agree, having found this to be the case for me when I did my first cycle (which was 6 weeks of dbol alone at 25mgs/day), I gained roughly 25lbs and kept nearly ½ of it. Since then, Dbol has always had a special place in my heart.

[seminole635]

Also, can I run arimidex into my PCT and then just cut it out like 2 weeks prior to stopping clomid???[/QUOTE]

Anyone got an opinion on this? I've read big cats articles several times and it seems like it would be smart regaurdless of popular belief since the AI actively removes estrogen while the SERM blocks the estrogen receptors. I read about a PCT where you continue the AI into PCT and drop it about 2 weeks before the SERM. Anyone??

[IBdmfkr]

I'm sure you didn't check your bodyfat before or after either, just because you gain and keep weight doesn't mean it was muscle.

Also I'm sure your diet was far from good if you gained 25lbs from dbol alone.. your sodium was probably through the roof from processed foods and low quality carbs.

[GHO5T]

It depends on ones goals, a powerlifter whos interested in just sheer strength and likes the kind of weight one gains from dbol, he will opt for the compound over prop.

Personally im interested in quality mass, and i know diet makes most of this possible. However some compounds have an influence on what kind of mass you gain.

Dont get me wrong, ive ran dbol as a kickstart in previous cycles, and ive ran prop as well. Between the two i like the gains off prop better, but thats just me.

[Getbig06]

I'm sure you didn't check your bodyfat before or after either, just because you gain and keep weight doesn't mean it was muscle.

Also I'm sure your diet was far from good if you gained 25lbs from dbol alone.. your sodium was probably through the roof from processed foods and low quality carbs.

Where you responding to my post where I posted what Anthony Robert's exp with Dbol was? Like I said I have never used dbol bro.

[Getbig06]

It depends on ones goals, a powerlifter whos interested in just sheer strength and likes the kind of weight one gains from dbol, he will opt for the compound over prop.

Personally im interested in quality mass, and i know diet makes most of this possible. However some compounds have an influence on what kind of mass you gain.

Dont get me wrong, ive ran dbol as a kickstart in previous cycles, and ive ran prop as well. Between the two i like the gains off prop better, but thats just me.

I'm in the same boat.

[IBdmfkr]

Where you responding to my post where I posted what Anthony Robert's exp with Dbol was? Like I said I have never used dbol bro.

gotcha, thought that was your experience..
Well in that case, I would have to question Anthony's experience with Dbol thinking he actually gained 16lbs of muscle. I'd like to hear his response.

What was the point of this thread again?