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    The Rise and Fall of Clenbuterol

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    The Rise and Fall of Clenbuterol

    by Jerry Brainium


    Clenbuterol is a beta-2 adrenal agonist drug, which means it has a structure similar to the natural catecholamine hormones in the body, such as epinephrine. The primary medical uses for clenbuterol are for treatment of asthma and other respiratory diseases. Clenbuterol assists in respiration because, like epinephrine, it promotes dilation of the bronchial tubes in the lungs. Asthma is characterized by constriction and inflammation of the bronchial tubes.

    Clenbuterol, however, has never been approved for sale in the United States for use by people. Drug companies are most interested in profit, and clenbuterol offers no particular medical advantages over existing beta-2 asthma drugs. Clenbuterol does have notable disadvantages, however. It has a long half-life, remaining active in the body for up to 36 hours. While that sounds good, it also increases the likelihood of serious side effects, thus making it less attractive to litigation-wary pharmaceutical companies. In contrast, the body degrades and eliminates the current leading beta-2 agonist drug sold in the U.S. after only about six hours.

    Clenbuterol is sold in other countries, chiefly by Mexican pharmacies, under various trade names, such as Clenasma, Spiropent and the veterinary injectable Ventipulmin. It first attracted the attention of bodybuilders years ago after animal research showed that it offered potent repartitioning effects—it appeared to decrease bodyfat while simultaneously fostering increased muscle size, particularly in the type 2 fast-twitch fibers, the fibers most amenable to hypertrophy from weight training.

    Those animal studies, however, typically used dosages in the one-to-five-milligram-per-kilogram-of-bodyweight range. That amounts to a daily dose of 450 milligrams of clenbuterol in a 200-pound athlete. For human use clenbuterol comes in microgram amounts. One thousand micrograms equal one milligram.

    Despite those discrepancies, clenbuterol quickly earned a reputation as an anabolic and “cutting” drug, favored in precontest cycles, and athletes who tried it soon discovered two things: 1) Its effects didn’t last more than three to four weeks, since beta-adrenergic receptors are extremely sensitive and turn off, or downregulate, rapidly; and 2) it provided no discernible anabolic effect. It did, however, provide a potent thermogenic effect conducive to fat oxidation. You could tell the thermogenic properties were working by the perception of increased body heat.

    The most common suggested clenbuterol dosage was one to two tablets a day, gradually increasing to eight to 10 per day. To extend its therapeutic potency and blunt down-regulation of beta-adrenergic receptors, users were advised to take the drug on a two-days-on/one-day-off cycle; however, it was never proven scientifically that the off-and-on cycle offered any real advantages.

    The same holds true for another drug, ketotifen, said to help maintain the potency of beta receptors. Whatever benefits ketotifen confer on open beta receptors come at a price. Ketotifen is an antihistamine, which can cause acute drowsiness—not exactly conducive to intense training. What of side effects? Taking too much clenbuterol has the same effect as a flood of epinephrine in your body. Symptoms include increased blood pressure, possible heart-rhythm disturbances, muscle tremor and insomnia. In Europe clenbuterol was used in meat processing, and some who ate the drug-laden beef experienced the same side effects.

    More recent animal studies—again using far higher doses than would ever be ingested by humans—showed that clenbuterol decreases endurance by degrading the heart structure. Indeed, some of the research animals died from heart failure. A recent study that examined the heart and skeletal muscles of rats given clenbuterol identified direct toxic effects from the drug.1 What’s particularly interesting about that study is that the bad effects resulted from just a single dose of injectable clenbuterol—a form favored by some bodybuilders and other athletes.

    The results showed that clenbuterol didn’t just harm heart-muscle cells but actually killed them. Heart-muscle-cell loss led to increased collagen deposition. In effect, active heart cells were replaced by scar tissue, setting the stage for sudden heart failure.

    Several theories explain clenbuterol’s adverse effects. The first involves the fact that clenbuterol depletes the amino acid taurine in the heart; taurine has protective properties, such as modulating the calcium levels that keep heart rhythm stable. Clenbuterol may also increase norepinephrine-induced stimulation of the heart, which can damage the heart if excessive.

    You may reason that the research animals got megadoses of clenbuterol and that the lesser doses athletes use wouldn’t have the same effects—but that’s just wishful thinking. According to something called Kleiber’s law, the animal dose of clenbuterol is equal to a human dose of five to six tablets. So the same side effects could be expected. In addition, because of the extended time that clenbuterol takes to degrade in the body, it could build up and have cumulative effects.

    The findings of heart damage from clenbuterol could partly explain the mysterious deaths of a few bodybuilders who combined clen with anabolic steroids. That is, of course, pure speculation. Athletes who use clenbuterol should ensure that they also supplement taurine, which may offer some heart protection.

    Other studies send further grim news about clenbuterol.2,3 When it was given to pigs, the portion of the testes that synthesizes testosterone (Leydig cells) increased in size, suggesting increased testosterone production. But the testes cells where sperm is manufactured (Sertoli cells) were permanently damaged. That implies that clenbuterol may adversely affect fertility.

    The increase in the cells that secrete testosterone isn’t that surprising. Natural catecholamines like epinephrine, for which clenbuterol serves as a synthetic substitute to some degree, are known to promote testosterone synthesis. Short-term stress, characterized by increased catecholamine release into the blood, leads to upgraded testosterone. But if the stress persists, other stress hormones, such as cortisol, are released and reverse that effect—that is, decrease testosterone synthesis and release.

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    Great post Mike and timely ... A lot of people seem to think using clen is without risk. Too lazy to do extra cardio.

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    Good post mate. I have stopped using clen. ECA for me from now on.

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    and you think dnp is any better? lol

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    bump just say no!! I wish I hadent done 2 cycles in my life .

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    Good post mate. I have stopped using clen. ECA for me from now on.
    yes, clen was too harsh for me. I am loving Lipodrene now, just hope it stays legal.

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    It does help my asthma, but i dont feel it helps me much anymore just gives me the shakes. Its not good for the heart, but nothing to get all worked up about esp when using for only a couple weeks. I would choose t4/t3 for serious fat burning any day. but i never find myself in that situation, i clean up my diet and the fat goes away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    Good post mate. I have stopped using clen. ECA for me from now on.
    Beast,

    What finally prompted you to stop using clen? At what dosage of an ECA stack do you follow.

    I'm actually more in favor for albuterol or ECA myself.

    Great legs shot by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevlev1
    Beast,

    What finally prompted you to stop using clen? At what dosage of an ECA stack do you follow.

    I'm actually more in favor for albuterol or ECA myself.

    Great legs shot by the way.
    Thx kevlev, no peaking at my underwear now!
    Basically I have been getting more and more concerned about the evidence suggesting clen can cause heart cell death. For me this means the risk to benefit factor is just not worth it. I still think clen is a brilliant fat burner but there are other safer options.
    I will be looking into albuterol and DNP but for now I will be using ECA for contest prep.
    25mg Ephedrine 200mg caffiene and 1/2 an aspirin (about 150mg) is what I normally use 3 times daily. I sometimes bump the ephedrine to 50mg for pwo dose. I will continue to upreg beta receptors with benadryl every third week while using ECA.
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    Beast,

    Thanks for the input. I have taken two short cycles of albuterol at a low dose (8mg/day 3 wks on 2 wks off) during my primobolan cycle of three months (ended first week of Jan).

    I intend on going back to albuterol in a few weeks at a higher dose of (12mg/day 3 wks on 2 wks off). I have taken clen once...years ago and I remember the unbearable sides. The albuterol has been tolerable in comparison.

    I'm also currently on HGH at 1I.U./day.

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    great i didnt know about it affecting cell tissue in the heart .....blah now this makes me wanna toss my clen...grrr

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    Good post mate. I have stopped using clen. ECA for me from now on.
    all because of the heart damage article?? or other reasons???
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    nice post bro, alot of good info on clen.

    Clen is an awesome product but we do have to remember the side effects and definelty have a good cardio routine expecilly with the possible heart palpatations. Clen does wonders, but remember to always research your gear thoroughly before use.

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    I have some clen and t3 which I'll use but in the future I'll go with albuteral and t3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dura
    I have some clen and t3 which I'll use but in the future I'll go with albuteral and t3.
    Any studies/links about albuteral and the heart? I'm underthe impression it's pretty similar to clen, so you'd think it has similar sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlawtas
    Any studies/links about albuteral and the heart? I'm underthe impression it's pretty similar to clen, so you'd think it has similar sides.
    I'm pretty sure they both have side effects dealing with the heart, but research will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatrock
    I'm pretty sure they both have side effects dealing with the heart, but research will tell.
    After doing a little research Alberterol has alot of side affects, but nothing with the heart i retract my statement for now

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    I thought T3 was tylenol 3.

    Should I be embarassed?
    T3 is Liothyronine. A synthetically manufactured thyroid hormone. Its effect is similar to that of natural L-thyroxin (L-T4) in the thyroid gland. T3 is one of two hormones which is produced in the thyroid. The other one is L-thyroxin.

    Bodybuilders use T3 to accelerate the metabolizing of carbohydrates, proteins, and fat. The body burns more calories than usual so that a lower fat content can be achieved or the athlete burns fat although he takes in more calories. When used properly there are few side effects to T3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlawtas
    Any studies/links about albuteral and the heart? I'm underthe impression it's pretty similar to clen, so you'd think it has similar sides.
    I have been doing some reading and it seems albuterol is thought to have similar negative cardiac effects to clen. This is based on studies done only on animals.

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    well, this is pretty much the same thing i said to this post on another board, but think it's an interesting enough question to pose here for some more feedback...

    now i'd have to ask at this point has there been any studies confirming that the taurine supplementation at the recommended levels (3-5grams/day) will help prevent myocyte cell death? seems odd that they have that theory behind why the cell death happens, but haven't experimented with taurine supplementation yet to see if it helped?

    seems like what it all comes down to is simply the concern for the cell death in the heart, so if that can be prevented by the taurine supplementation, you should be fine, right? i've used this stuff the past couple times i've cut up (yes, both times with supplementation of taurine and potassium), but if this stuff really causes cell death in humans just as in the rats, i'm really seriously reconsidering using a different fat-burner?

    on that last note in my last paragraph, can anyone really say any of those other fat-burners out there are any safer? i mean, has the ingredients of the more effective fat-burners out there (lipo 6, hydroxycut hardcore, redline, etc.) been tested enough that we can really say they don't potentially have even worse long-term side-effects that we don't even realize yet? i know many products on the market are minimally tested before reaching the general public and later findings is oftentimes why something quickly disappears off the shelves of a supplement store and is discontinued.

    i'd like to hear everyones thoughts on all this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ascendant
    well, this is pretty much the same thing i said to this post on another board, but think it's an interesting enough question to pose here for some more feedback...

    now i'd have to ask at this point has there been any studies confirming that the taurine supplementation at the recommended levels (3-5grams/day) will help prevent myocyte cell death? seems odd that they have that theory behind why the cell death happens, but haven't experimented with taurine supplementation yet to see if it helped?

    seems like what it all comes down to is simply the concern for the cell death in the heart, so if that can be prevented by the taurine supplementation, you should be fine, right? i've used this stuff the past couple times i've cut up (yes, both times with supplementation of taurine and potassium), but if this stuff really causes cell death in humans just as in the rats, i'm really seriously reconsidering using a different fat-burner?

    on that last note in my last paragraph, can anyone really say any of those other fat-burners out there are any safer? i mean, has the ingredients of the more effective fat-burners out there (lipo 6, hydroxycut hardcore, redline, etc.) been tested enough that we can really say they don't potentially have even worse long-term side-effects that we don't even realize yet? i know many products on the market are minimally tested before reaching the general public and later findings is oftentimes why something quickly disappears off the shelves of a supplement store and is discontinued.

    i'd like to hear everyones thoughts on all this?
    Just the simple fact that with clen and other fat burning compounds the risks are so high and insidious is enough to tell me that using them is too potentially risky that I prefer to use diet modification and cardio to burn fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecivon
    Just the simple fact that with clen and other fat burning compounds the risks are so high and insidious is enough to tell me that using them is too potentially risky that I prefer to use diet modification and cardio to burn fat.
    right, and fat loss that way takes twice as long. since i hate cutting up and want to do it as fast as possible, that's not an option for me. i just want to do what's safest, yet comparably effective to clen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    Good post mate. I have stopped using clen. ECA for me from now on.
    though clen may cause cell-death (which has yet to be confirmed in humans), ECA puts far more strain on the heart at doses comparable to ones as effective as clen. personally, i don't think it's a safer alternative.

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    ive never done clen before but im gonna try it. everything on this forum has a chance of problems.....gyno,blood pres,pos heart attack and there has been studies(quote) on all of it but most of us here still fvck wit it! i thought taurine protects the heart?just like antis protect from bitch tits,have to take precautions......imo!

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    ive never done clen before either, i have albuterol but also never tried it, im gona run after i finish my cycle that im gona start next week at 10mg/day, i dunno if it effects the heart just as clen does but im goin to run taurine for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by ascendant
    though clen may cause cell-death (which has yet to be confirmed in humans), ECA puts far more strain on the heart at doses comparable to ones as effective as clen. personally, i don't think it's a safer alternative.
    Yes I agree. The main difference (and the tthing that worries me) is that ECA could put strain on heart and for someone with existing heart problems this would not be good. However IF clen does cause heart cell death then even those with a previously healthy heart are risking serious permanent damage. I would really like to see some human studies but for now im going to play it safe.

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    Fist off thanks for the very infomative article mike. It was the first time i heard clen could impact your fertility permanently. One more reason not to use it..

    I used clen 2 times several years ago, but stopped usage 'cause death of heart cells was assoiated with clen usage. I also tired Salbutamol during this time period (it is the german equivalent to Albuterol) which basically is Clen with a shorter half life. Therefore exessive Salbutamol / Albuterol use also causes Heart Cell Death. This fact is even stated on the package insert of Salbutamol.
    So i would strongly advise AGAINST the use of Albuterol as Clen substitute.
    Moreover i never found Clens / Salbutamols fat loss results far superior to an ECA stack.

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    From what I've read the two have different half-lives. You'll feel clen for 32 hours. You'll feel albuteral for 5 hours. Albuteral is thought to be safer from what I've read.


    Quote Originally Posted by outlawtas
    Any studies/links about albuteral and the heart? I'm underthe impression it's pretty similar to clen, so you'd think it has similar sides.

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    Hey how's it going ascendant. Yeah I hear that. Using a strong stimulant, especially one that has supposed anti-catabolic properties fits well with the radical agenda of bodybuilding. Couple that up with radical dieting and a good twist of cardio and you're in.



    Quote Originally Posted by ascendant
    right, and fat loss that way takes twice as long. since i hate cutting up and want to do it as fast as possible, that's not an option for me. i just want to do what's safest, yet comparably effective to clen.

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    If Clen actually kill or damage heart-cells(and other cells), down the road that sounds like an increased risk for cancer aswell...Cell death will cause scar-tissue in the surounding area which might prevent new cells to develope properly...

    Never again will I use it, its not like I need it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitor

    Never again will I use it, its not like I need it either.


    Diet and cardio are enough to loose BF.. Clen is for the weak! :-)
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    Clen and Albuteral are basically the same thing, asthma medication, both cause heart problems.. clen may be a little more potent. How does everyone feel about ephedra? I feel that with proper dosage that its relativily safe.. any info on that?

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    Actually, there are important differences between them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhino63
    Clen and Albuteral are basically the same thing, asthma medication, both cause heart problems.. clen may be a little more potent. How does everyone feel about ephedra? I feel that with proper dosage that its relativily safe.. any info on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dura
    Hey how's it going ascendant. Yeah I hear that. Using a strong stimulant, especially one that has supposed anti-catabolic properties fits well with the radical agenda of bodybuilding. Couple that up with radical dieting and a good twist of cardio and you're in.
    hey bro, good to see you again. i had been out the loop there for a while (very very long story). anyway, hope alls well bro. sorry i missed you when i went up there for christmas, but i had a lot going on and didn't have any spare time.

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    Has Clen really fallen though? I bet it's lion's best seller...and shit...I was just interviewed by a womens magazine (Shape or something like that) about clen...seems it made a comeback in Hollywood lately....

    I mean...how dead is it, really? Rise and fall? I don't know if it's gone that far...

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    i'm a fan of it personally. used it twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dura
    Actually, there are important differences between them.
    If so, please name the diffrences (except half life).

    It is widley known today that Albuterol / Salbutamol causes cardiovascular damage. Hell, you can even read it up on wiki

    But one diffrence i noticed myself while using Albuterol, namley that i lost a lesser amount of fat compared to Clen - while using comparable dosages.

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    I hate clen..does nothing for me cept make me shake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
    Has Clen really fallen though? I bet it's lion's best seller...and shit...I was just interviewed by a womens magazine (Shape or something like that) about clen...seems it made a comeback in Hollywood lately....

    I mean...how dead is it, really? Rise and fall? I don't know if it's gone that far...
    What is your take on Clen anthony? Do you advocate or disadvocate its usage?

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