12 lbs in 3 weeks, low dose, WTF?

[eljeffe]

Not to complain or anything but I have gained 12 lbs on my current cycle and started on Jan 9th. I am on only 150ml of Test C and 50ml winny every 3rd day. I know allot of people say winny needs to be EOD but with the low dose of Test I just do not feel the need for EOD plus the pain sucks. I am assuming the winny should be keeping the water weight down and I do not appear too bloated.

This is my third cycle and my first was sust about 6 years ago and my second was before last summer and it was 300ml Test C and 200ml eq every week for 12 weeks. On my last cycle I only gained 15 lbs over the entire time. Oh yea I am 27 and 6' 188 currently, started at 176.

My diet is actually less calories this time as I am using it as a cutting diet only and last time I was doing more of a lean mass diet. I follow the cutting diet on this forum all most to a T with a few minor adjustments, ie almond butter instead of flax seed at times but the same nutritional breakdown. This time I am allowing for a cheat meal once a week which I did not do last time, but that is the only difference basically.

So my question is what gives with this? I am really confused right now. Thanks for the help in advance, allot of people on this board are very helpful and I am religious about reading here for new tips and advice.

[2.minutes]

Not to complain or anything but I have gained 12 lbs on my current cycle and started on Jan 9th. I am on only 150ml of Test C and 50ml winny every 3rd day. I know allot of people say winny needs to be EOD but with the low dose of Test I just do not feel the need for EOD plus the pain sucks. I am assuming the winny should be keeping the water weight down and I do not appear too bloated.

This is my third cycle and my first was sust about 6 years ago and my second was before last summer and it was 300ml Test C and 200ml eq every week for 12 weeks. On my last cycle I only gained 15 lbs over the entire time. Oh yea I am 27 and 6' 188 currently, started at 176.

My diet is actually less calories this time as I am using it as a cutting diet only and last time I was doing more of a lean mass diet. I follow the cutting diet on this forum all most to a T with a few minor adjustments, ie almond butter instead of flax seed at times but the same nutritional breakdown. This time I am allowing for a cheat meal once a week which I did not do last time, but that is the only difference basically.

So my question is what gives with this? I am really confused right now. Thanks for the help in advance, allot of people on this board are very helpful and I am religious about reading here for new tips and advice.

winni has to be shot ED or 2*aday to be effective otherwize its a waste.
and what do u mean what gives with this?
+if you areworried about water weight take some letro or arimidix to keep water weight to minimum

[Powerhound]

I agree !! EOD

[Random]

I never understand these types of threads where people use compounds in a way that wouldnt promote the best gains ( like 2.minutes said)...i mean, if you pay for products and use them, why not use them in the best way possible? unless you dont want the most out of steroids?

CD

[2.minutes]

I never understand these types of threads where people use compounds in a way that wouldnt promote the best gains ( like 2.minutes said)...i mean, if you pay for products and use them, why not use them in the best way possible? unless you dont want the most out of steroids?

CD

here is The weird thing : he is on cutting diet and he gained 12 lbs so far

[armbar83]

Not to complain or anything but I have gained 12 lbs on my current cycle and started on Jan 9th. I am on only 150ml of Test C and 50ml winny every 3rd day. I know allot of people say winny needs to be EOD but with the low dose of Test I just do not feel the need for EOD plus the pain sucks. I am assuming the winny should be keeping the water weight down and I do not appear too bloated.

This is my third cycle and my first was sust about 6 years ago and my second was before last summer and it was 300ml Test C and 200ml eq every week for 12 weeks. On my last cycle I only gained 15 lbs over the entire time. Oh yea I am 27 and 6' 188 currently, started at 176.

My diet is actually less calories this time as I am using it as a cutting diet only and last time I was doing more of a lean mass diet. I follow the cutting diet on this forum all most to a T with a few minor adjustments, ie almond butter instead of flax seed at times but the same nutritional breakdown. This time I am allowing for a cheat meal once a week which I did not do last time, but that is the only difference basically.

So my question is what gives with this? I am really confused right now. Thanks for the help in advance, allot of people on this board are very helpful and I am religious about reading here for new tips and advice.

man theres all kinds of problems here...

1. winny needs to be shot ed or twice a day
2. im going to assume your shooting that test dose every third day because 150 mg/wk is excessively low for the test...your probably doing nothing more than shutting yourself down and replacing your endogenous test
3. youve only been running the test 3 weeks so its not even hitting yet
4. if your eating less im suprised your not losing, and what you have gained is probably water...
5. if its a cutting cycle you should be less concerned with weight gained and moreso with your apperance and bf%

[Angel of death]

man theres all kinds of problems here...

1. winny needs to be shot ed or twice a day
2. im going to assume your shooting that test dose every third day because 150 mg/wk is excessively low for the test...your probably doing nothing more than shutting yourself down and replacing your endogenous test
3. youve only been running the test 3 weeks so its not even hitting yet
4. if your eating less im suprised your not losing, and what you have gained is probably water...
5. if its a cutting cycle you should be less concerned with weight gained and moreso with your apperance and bf%

If 150mg a week is his natural test produced by his body he is a genetic freak and should not need to use steroids. It is more than likely over twice as much as his body produces, aka effective.

[eljeffe]

I never understand these types of threads where people use compounds in a way that wouldnt promote the best gains ( like 2.minutes said)...i mean, if you pay for products and use them, why not use them in the best way possible? unless you dont want the most out of steroids?

CD

first off for everyone who is so sure you have to use winny eod, you are wrong, I know several people who have done every 3rd day and have had great results, also is you do a search on this site you will find people who debate this very issue with one such thread detailing the myth that you need winny eod by scientifically discribing how the compound breaks down.

Second off I did not ask for critiques of my cycle, I did plenty of research and I am very satisfied by my choice. I simply asked how am I gaining so much weight especially since I am on a cutting diet, doing cardio and taking such low doses, which I am on a very strict one except for one cheat meal a week. Also I have lost BF, probably 2-3 percent as my abs are back out in all thier glory again. So does anyone have any answers, I highly doubt water weight as I am not bloated in the least bit, I can post a pic if you wish.

[eljeffe]

man theres all kinds of problems here...

1. winny needs to be shot ed or twice a day
2. im going to assume your shooting that test dose every third day because 150 mg/wk is excessively low for the test...your probably doing nothing more than shutting yourself down and replacing your endogenous test
3. youve only been running the test 3 weeks so its not even hitting yet
4. if your eating less im suprised your not losing, and what you have gained is probably water...
5. if its a cutting cycle you should be less concerned with weight gained and moreso with your apperance and bf%

you are wrong on both 1 and 2 and no shit sherlock on the rest, that is why I asked the question.

[2.minutes]

first off for everyone who is so sure you have to use winny eod, you are wrong, I know several people who have done every 3rd day and have had great results, also is you do a search on this site you will find people who debate this very issue with one such thread detailing the myth that you need winny eod by scientifically discribing how the compound breaks down.

Second off I did not ask for critiques of my cycle, I did plenty of research and I am very satisfied by my choice. I simply asked how am I gaining so much weight especially since I am on a cutting diet, doing cardio and taking such low doses, which I am on a very strict one except for one cheat meal a week. Also I have lost BF, probably 2-3 percent as my abs are back out in all thier glory again. So does anyone have any answers, I highly doubt water weight as I am not bloated in the least bit, I can post a pic if you wish.

can you post ur diet with macros? just curious

[aadrenaline]

If 150mg a week is his natural test produced by his body he is a genetic freak and should not need to use steroids. It is more than likely over twice as much as his body produces, aka effective.

yeah thats true 150mg a week is 3x's+ the amount normally produced.

[G-1000]

I agree !! EOD

Powerhound

You must chang you avatar A.S.A.P

Gsxxr

[pavlenko]

post a pic i would like to see how u added pounds and yet lost bf so before when u didnt have the extra pounds you couldnt see the abs but now you can with the extra weight on you?

[armbar83]

from the hrt sticky:

"Intramuscular injection

Testosterone cypionate and enanthate are frequently used parenteral preparations that provide a safe means of hormone replacement in hypogonadal men. Testosterone is esterified to inhibit degradation and to make it soluble in oil-based injection vehicles that retain the drug in muscle tissue. In men 20-50 years of age, an intramuscular injection of 200 to 300 mg testosterone enanthate is generally sufficient to produce serum testosterone levels that are supranormal initially and fall into the normal ranges over the next 14 days. Fluctuations in testosterone levels may yield variations in libido, sexual function, energy, and mood. Some patients may be inconvenienced by the need for frequent testosterone injections.11 Increasing the dose to 300 to 400 mg may allow for maintenance of eugonadal levels of serum testosterone for up to three weeks, but higher doses will not lengthen the eugonadal period."


i understand what your saying but once he puts that in his body and endogenous test shuts down, hes taking in a sub hrt dose of test.

[armbar83]

i never said the body produces 150 mg/wk of test...

[GFLEXXX]

16+ lbm lbs in three weeks on a cut diet and $5 worth of gear...pray do tell your secret...

[testosterona]

so you started this cycle at 175lbs at 6ft tall adn you worrying about cheat meals
it's not the winny dose you should be worrying about, although that is wack, it's you diet dude! unless you goal is to look like a buff etheopian
test

[aadrenaline]

i never said the body produces 150 mg/wk of test...

i think he was referring more to that say your body produces 75mg/wk then 150 would be double the amount in theory you should grow. i believe we produce between 7-9mg a day is that right?

[aadrenaline]

so you started this cycle at 175lbs at 6ft tall adn you worrying about cheat meals
it's not the winny dose you should be worrying about, although that is wack, it's you diet dude! unless you goal is to look like a buff etheopian
test

[Random]

so you started this cycle at 175lbs at 6ft tall adn you worrying about cheat meals
it's not the winny dose you should be worrying about, although that is wack, it's you diet dude! unless you goal is to look like a buff etheopian
test

LOL, maybe its a good thing he gained weight then, why worry?

[armbar83]

4-7 i think

[eljeffe]

can you post ur di0et with macros? just curious

don't really want to deal with macros right now but here you go:

1 cup oatmeal, 1 scoop MAX 5 protien powder

8oz chicken breast veggies

PWO shake 50g whey 105 maltrose or whatever it is called

pwo meal 8 oz chicken or beef or turkey and 40g complex carbs 1 tbsp flax

1 can tuna 1 tbsp almond butter

8 eggs 2 whole 6 white 1 tbsp flax

some nights 35 g max 5 protien shake before bed, just depends on day

That is roughly 200 g protien 150 g carbs and 60 g fat.

Workout days I tend to have more carbs than others but I always get 100g which is really low, I did not intend to gain too much weight but what the hell I guess.

[eljeffe]

good one dude, ha ha ha, I do not want to look like a bodybuilder, I want a more of a fitness model look, sorry I do not live up to your expectations, jack ass.

[Angel of death]

man theres all kinds of problems here...

1. winny needs to be shot ed or twice a day
2. im going to assume your shooting that test dose every third day because 150 mg/wk is excessively low for the test...your probably doing nothing more than shutting yourself down and replacing your endogenous test
3. youve only been running the test 3 weeks so its not even hitting yet
4. if your eating less im suprised your not losing, and what you have gained is probably water...
5. if its a cutting cycle you should be less concerned with weight gained and moreso with your apperance and bf%

lol you very cleared stated that the 150/wk would do nothing but REPLACE his natural test....so im just assuming here that you mean his natural test is in fact 150/wk...

[armbar83]

don't really want to deal with macros right now but here you go:

1 cup oatmeal, 1 scoop MAX 5 protien powder

8oz chicken breast veggies

PWO shake 50g whey 105 maltrose or whatever it is called

pwo meal 8 oz chicken or beef or turkey and 40g complex carbs 1 tbsp flax

1 can tuna 1 tbsp almond butter

8 eggs 2 whole 6 white 1 tbsp flax

some nights 35 g max 5 protien shake before bed, just depends on day

That is roughly 200 g protien 150 g carbs and 60 g fat.

Workout days I tend to have more carbs than others but I always get 100g which is really low, I did not intend to gain too much weight but what the hell I guess.

with that diet you should be losing 1 pound per week...hmmm
2000 - 2500 = -500 x 7 = -3500 per week

[testosterona]

good one dude, ha ha ha, I do not want to look like a bodybuilder, I want a more of a fitness model look, sorry I do not live up to your expectations, jack ass.

then why do you need steroids

test

[armbar83]

lol you very cleared stated that the 150/wk would do nothing but REPLACE his natural test....so im just assuming here that you mean his natural test is in fact 150/wk...

i said it would "probably" do nothing more than replace his endogenous test, and at 150 mg/wk it is bearly doing that. 150 mg of test cyp doesnt equal 150 mg of endogeneous test. it takes 200-300 mg/wk of exogenous hrt test to get men back to normal test ranges.

[eljeffe]

with that diet you should be losing 1 pound per week...hmmm
2000 - 2500 = -500 x 7 = -3500 per week

I know and I swear on all that is holy to me that this is my diet and that I only cheat once a week and not a huge pig out. That is why I am asking the question, I just don't understand, how dou you lose BF and put on weight, I thought that was impossible. Again I am not complaing but just curious of how this could happen. I would not post on here if I was not confident that my diet was on par and that I was sticking to it.

[Random]

then why do you need steroids

LOL NICE!!!!!

[eljeffe]

then why do you need steroids

test

Probably don't NEED them as does no one on here but just have a hard time putting on any lean mass and 175 does not cut the mustard if you want the fitness model look, that and like everyone else on here I am impatient and do not want to wait as long as doing it naturally would take.

[Hellmaskbanned]

good one dude, ha ha ha, I do not want to look like a bodybuilder, I want a more of a fitness model look, sorry I do not live up to your expectations, jack ass.

Translates too......." I do not want to look like a bodybuilder because I'm tiny and never will, I want more of a larger ethiopian look were it appears I've had a meal in the past 74 hours".

[Random]

At least youre honest...

[armbar83]

oh i neeeeed them

[Random]

Probably don't NEED them as does no one on here

The thing is, Most guys DO in fact need them if they want to attempt to be a pro bodybuilder or pro athlete for that matter

CD

[passthetest]

Wow 12 lbs gained that is crazy. The only thing I could think of is that you did not workout hard prior to your cycle? Had you been lifting consistantly before you started? That could explain some wait not 12 lbs though

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[eljeffe]

all right I have to wait for my roomy to get home so I can find the cord to hook the camera up to but I will put them on here. Why is it worthless by the way? Do you not believe me, I am not asking this to act like a bad ass or anything.

I worked out hard up until dec and then the holidays came and I workout out almost none, but I have been working out hard for at least 4 years now and have never gained weight really, even on 300ml of Test C and 200ml of EQ I did not gain much more than I have on this cycle.

[2.minutes]

all right I have to wait for my roomy to get home so I can find the cord to hook the camera up to but I will put them on here. Why is it worthless by the way? Do you not believe me, I am not asking this to act like a bad ass or anything.

I worked out hard up until dec and then the holidays came and I workout out almost none, but I have been working out hard for at least 4 years now and have never gained weight really, even on 300ml of Test C and 200ml of EQ I did not gain much more than I have on this cycle.

its a way of asking for pic, kinda joke,no big deal bro

[eljeffe]

Translates too......." I do not want to look like a bodybuilder because I'm tiny and never will, I want more of a larger ethiopian look were it appears I've had a meal in the past 74 hours".

actually it translates to I do not want to look like a jackass with way too much muscle for my frame, I want to look fit not like I take massive amounts of steriods, yet again sorry I do not live up to your expectations of what I should look like.

[eljeffe]

its a way of asking for pic, kinda joke,no big deal bro

cool no biggie, just seems like I am getting attacked for some reason, maybe I am being sensative but alot of negative posts to a simple question if you ask me.