"WHAT IF" you could re-run your 1st Cycles how would you do it?

[Hellmaskbanned]

I know MOST on here have ran some shitty cycles due to little knowledge on aas at the time....But IF you could go back what would you run now?

Also, If I could have changed the age of when I started using AS I would have waited until I was older with better knowledge on Diet & Training. Back then I use to think I knew it already....But each year that goes by it shows me how little back then I actually knew.

NEWBIES - You might think you know it all...I see it on here all the time....AR MEMBER "How's your diet" ..AR NEWBIE "It's good, Stats are 6'2'' 180lbs 16% BF"......Come on now!

Here's what I would have done.


1st Cycle
Weeks 1-10 Testosterone 400mgs/Week
(Simple & Effective, and is now preached)

2nd Cycle
Weeks 1-11 Test 400mgs/Week
Weeks 1-12 Deca 400mgs/Week
Weeks 1-6 Winstrol 50mgs/Day
(Fantastic cycle with great synergy)

3rd Cycle
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 40mgs/Day
Weeks 1-14 Test 600mgs/Week
Weeks 1-14 Primo 800mgs/Week
Weeks 12-16 Anavar 80mgs/Day
HGH Long Time


^
That would have been badass!
I know others would have changed alot so post up.



New Members/Inexperienced Members, Do not take these or any other cycles to be whats best for YOU. Different People have different goals , the only way to determine what's right for you is to base a cycle on YOUR goals and research what compounds will help you achieve them.

[Titleist]

Good thread. I would have just done the simple 1st cycle.

wk 1- 12 Test Cyp 400mg wk.

But definitely with a better diet among other things. My training was pretty good but I would have changed a few things as far as that goes too. O well I can only move forward now. If I would have found these forums before I juiced my results definitely would have been better as well.

[Pete789]

Great cycles.......i mght do cycle 2 soon. That one always puts on weight for me.
Pete

[outlawtas]

Test @ 4-500mg/wk for 12 weeks. I was lucky enough to find the forums before starting cycle, so that's what I did.

[Dude-Man]

I wouldn't have bothered converting 25 grams of clostebol acetate to clostebol enanthate and just run primo and test instead.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Come on now, I know this thread should have more responses.

[taiboxa]

lol more tren? iono ><

[gigem]

my pct would have been better

[Snrf]

im on my first cycle, wouldn't change a thing.

thats why research is a good idea :-)

[godkilla]

my first cycle was sust shot twice a week. i shoulda prolly shot the sust ed or eod, or even better i should have used test e...

[Hellmaskbanned]

First 3 cycles! Not just first one guys.

[jdm95lude]

haha I wouldnt have started so soon would have waited until the age im at now. I was super dumb and had no knowledge of what I was doing. I ran test C 200mgs for 10wks and 100mgs of EQ for 10 wks with no PCT. IDIOT!

I would have just ran test C 500mgs 10wks with PCT.

[chess]

I would have run 700miligams of test instead of tren alone I dont know why the tren worked well with no sides but test sounds like a smarter cycle and you want to make sure to follow the norm.

[spywizard]

I know MOST on here have ran some shitty cycles due to little knowledge on aas at the time....But IF you could go back what would you run now?

Also, If I could have changed the age of when I started using AS I would have waited until I was older with better knowledge on Diet & Training. Back then I use to think I knew it already....But each year that goes by it shows me how little back then I actually knew.

NEWBIES - You might think you know it all...I see it on here all the time....AR MEMBER "How's your diet" ..AR NEWBIE "It's good, Stats are 6'2'' 180lbs 16% BF"......Come on now!

Here's what I would have done.


1st Cycle
Weeks 1-10 Testosterone 400mgs/Week
(Simple & Effective, and is now preached)

2nd Cycle
Weeks 1-11 Test 400mgs/Week
Weeks 1-12 Deca 400mgs/Week
Weeks 1-6 Winstrol 50mgs/Day
(Fantastic cycle with great synergy)

3rd Cycle
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 40mgs/Day
Weeks 1-14 Test 600mgs/Week
Weeks 1-14 Primo 800mgs/Week
Weeks 12-16 Anavar 80mgs/Day
HGH Long Time


^
That would have been badass!
I know others would have changed alot so post up.



New Members/Inexperienced Members, Do not take these or any other cycles to be whats best for YOU. Different People have different goals , the only way to determine what's right for you is to base a cycle on YOUR goals and research what compounds will help you achieve them.

ya know what??/ i wouldn't change anything you have listed there..

[kona dawg]

I am fixing to start my second week of my first cycle 500 mg test en. for 12 weeks, the most preached first cycle like u said, I just wish there was a "preached" pct. One guy says use clomid, the other guy says don't. I just wish there was a perfect pct for the perfect first cycle. I have nolva and clomid ready but buy the time I reach the end of my cycle there is no telling what I will have ready for pct

[Swifto]

I would have run Test Prop instead of Test Enan.

Something like:

wk 1-8 Test Prop 75mg/ED
wk 1-12 Tbol 60mg/ED
wk 1-PCT Arimidex 0.5mg/EOD

And have a better diet.

[JudgeTred]

Hi all,
I've been training for 2 years on and off (1st year solid, 2nd hit & mainly miss)
I was using products which claimed to be Super supplements, and after the 1st 12 months, and an inexperince of training techniques, I saw little results.
The past 6months I have studied the best Gym techniques for me.

But now I want to go the next step.
So with Hell masks Cycle routine, what would I achieve from this? Is it for massive bulk & muscle gains?

Basically what I need to do is lose a lot of Body fat from stomache and waist. My legs are well built from my sporting days but my top half is well out of shape and this is the area I need to target. I want to increase muscle shape and size and cut body fat.
Would any experinced member please advise on what cycles would best suit me??
I appreciate both your time and knowledge.

[Hellmaskbanned]

ya know what??/ i wouldn't change anything you have listed there..

ahh Great minds think alike.

[taiboxa]

my first cycle was sust shot twice a week. i shoulda prolly shot the sust ed or eod, or even better i should have used test e...

would not of made a single difference as the prop only makes p 30mg of the 250mg so in actuality u would be oh.. maybe changing ur prop fomr 8mg per day to like..10? lol

[godkilla]

would not of made a single difference as the prop only makes p 30mg of the 250mg so in actuality u would be oh.. maybe changing ur prop fomr 8mg per day to like..10? lol

i have a graph chart that shows a pretty significant diff in test blood level stability between shooting prop ed and eod. i never actually did any calculations to see if the graph was accurate though.

[taiboxa]

i have a graph chart that shows a pretty significant diff in test blood level stability between shooting prop ed and eod. i never actually did any calculations to see if the graph was accurate though.

thats neat, thats shooting 250mg ED? so that u have a total of 30mg ED of prop? makes sense i guess, be nice to have supporting documentation w/ such a graph and if u look at endogenouse test production rates.. also just by training hard a young man can induce a significant spike in testosterone.. which im sure would symbolize a pattern similar to the MWF injection line.
and who does just mwf ? lol but it is pwetty

[Hellmaskbanned]

Tai, go inject 11 cc's of gravy AND GET THE HELL OUT!

[kif]

I did a ton of research before my first cycle so I just went with 500mg of test e. am going to start my second cycle at the end of summer probable 750mg test e and 400mg of deca

[taiboxa]

I did a ton of research before my first cycle so I just went with 500mg of test e. am going to start my second cycle at the end of summer probable 750mg test e and 400mg of deca

why increase the test when you are already adding a FAR MORE anabolic compound? .. imo i get like 2x the gains off a nor compound than i ever could off test

[kif]

I want to increase the test so I dont end up with deca di@k

[taiboxa]

I want to increase the test so I dont end up with deca di@k

deca dick isnt DEPENDNTon the dose of test.. you just need ENOUGH test to replace the suppression of your endogenous test.. so in all honesty if u were truely concerned bout stopping impotence u only need.. say.. a total of 8mg Test per day so w/ the ester weight figured in .. u need about 110mg testE/wk and u would be funcitoning normal or even better.

even on doses of tren that would kill 3 hippos and an elephant i can get by just fine w/ 125-250mg/testE/wk

[kif]

Well then.....like I said research is on this site is awesome....I will be doing 500mg test e and 400mg deca. See you learn something new every day. Thanks Tai

[taiboxa]

Well then.....like I said research is on this site is awesome....I will be doing 500mg test e and 400mg deca. See you learn something new every day. Thanks Tai

lol YW!

[king6]

I would have run test prop and tren ace. I am almost finished with my first cycle, and I learned that I need a lot of test to grow. It finally took 700mg/week of test prop to start seeing results, and that is with eating a crap load. So I will run the prop and tren for my next cycle, so far I have ran test e, prop, dbol, and var, and have had no side effects at all.

[Kristofer68ss]

i am in first cycle now. Almost 35 years old. Wouldnt change a thing.

Cant decide to go 10 or 12 weeks though.

Test E 500mg (2 shots)1-10(or 12)Weeks
DBol 35mg ED Weeks 1-6
Liquidex .25mg EOD Weeks 3-14(or 16)

PCT 4 weeks
Liquidex .25mg EOD
CLomid- 100/50mg ED Taper down
Nolva-40/20mg ED Taper down

PCT
Weeks 4-8 some sort of test booster like alpha male, myogenx, vitrix, etc...

Diet is in check 3500 to 4000 cals. weight started 183. Current weight 188 Day- 11.

Im hooking into this thread

[taiboxa]

i am in first cycle now. Cant decide to go 10 or 12 weeks though.

Test E 500mg (2 shots)1-10(or 12)Weeks
DBol 35mg ED Weeks 1-6
Liquidex .25mg EOD Weeks 3-14(or 16)

PCT 4 weeks
Liquidex .25mg EOD
CLomid- 100/50 Taper down
Nolva-40/20 Taper down

PCT
Weeks 4-8 some sort of test booster like alpha male, myogenx, vitrix, etc...

Diet is in check 3500 to 4000 cals. weight started 183. Current weight 188 Day- 11.

Im hooking into this thread

start ur own thread if you havent yet homeskillet and you will get way better in put

[godkilla]

thats neat, thats shooting 250mg ED? so that u have a total of 30mg ED of prop? makes sense i guess, be nice to have supporting documentation w/ such a graph and if u look at endogenouse test production rates.. also just by training hard a young man can induce a significant spike in testosterone.. which im sure would symbolize a pattern similar to the MWF injection line.
and who does just mwf ? lol but it is pwetty

that graph is based on frontloading 200mgs ed for the first 3 days then 150mgs ed for two days and then 100mgs ed.

[Drummerboy]

This is a VERY easy answer, and this will give you a great start and good finish :

weeks 1-2 75mg Test Prop ED (a lot of poking but a great jump start)
weeks 1-2 30mg Dbol ED taken all at once 1 hr before gym (again, a great starter)
weeks 1-10 200mg Test E or C EOD
weeks 1-8 150mg Deca EOD (do with test e or c)

Have on hand : nolvadex, arimidex OR aromasin, HCG
Use the nolva/arim if you experience any gyno as soon as you feel it -
if you dont need it on cycle DONT use it.
Use the HCG/nolva/aromasin PCT protocol. Check out the stickies in PCT forum for answers to that (mine and roberts should do)

This first cycle is a little high, but it will pack on the pounds and is pretty safe if you have quality gear and you eat/pump/sleep right, which is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY and often neglected. I packed on 35 pds with this cycle.

~DB~

[Bigstiffler]

i was 17 & stupid. i ran 400mgs/wk test cyp for 7wks gained about 30lbs then lost it all cuz i didnt know what pct was. i found this site read read read read ran pct immediatly (prolly6wks to late or more but better than not doing it!) then joined the site stayed away until i was 20then started again now i'm 205lbs 10%b/f starting weight was bout 140 when i was 17

[gagear628]

I like this thread totally and uterally true most newbies dont know shit and just bs there way but this is a great guidline.I may be a new member but im a longtime user and i agree with what was posted as I to started young and should have waited but with age comes wisdom

[Kristofer68ss]

taiboxa,

No offense...but.

I am Not asking for advice. As you can see from my cycle and pct, I did my homework..

The thread asked if you could go back.

From my current cyce listed, its evident, I dont want an ounce of regret.
For a FIRST cycle I am sure there are better, but not by much.

Thanks though.

I was actually trying in my own way to possibly help a newb that may come across this thread.

I edited my first post to add age.

[Schwarzenegger]

i didnt do my HW. Nutrition could have been way better. and maybe done a few years later. Did 250mg/week at 17. THE WRONG age to do. hah. I shoulda found this board then. Oh well.

[Outta Kontrol]

im on my first cycle, wouldn't change a thing.

thats why research is a good idea :-)

dito

[Jakspro]

I would have run Test Prop instead of Test Enan.

Something like:

wk 1-8 Test Prop 75mg/ED
wk 1-12 Tbol 60mg/ED
wk 1-PCT Arimidex 0.5mg/EOD

And have a better diet.

How many others would run prop over Enan or Cyp? Swifto, are you just concerned with the added water weight or another reason as to why you would choose prop.

[Dog-Slime]

My first cycle was 200mgs deca a week. Gained about 15 pounds and lost it all. Didnt know much about pct and didnt feel like working out once I had zero test in my body. I was only 19 years old. Now I am 21 and am doing a cycle of 400mgs Test E shot 2x a week. Have gained 20+ pounds so far and still got a few weeks left. If I could do it again this would be my first cycle and I never would have done any cycle at 19, much less a deca only.