Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and HRT Questions about dosing.

[Jawncy]

Currently I am having great difficulty in getting my physicians to do what global and national research physicians recommend related to HRT for Chronic Fatigue SYndrome. I've been doing a tremendous amount of research and purchased some things which aren't here yet. I am worried about doing this by myself wsith no real instructional guide other than to spend weeks pouring over these types of bulletin board systems and other internet site. What I've found so far is that I should take the following

HCG 24 IU a month in 5 day a week subcutaneous shots
Testosterone Cypionate 100mg weekly injections intramuscular
Clomiphene Citrate 51mg pill a day
Anastrozole 1mg pill a day
HCG 10,000 IU a month in 5 day a week subcutaneous
shots.

My question is does anyone have any suggestions and is there any issue with necessary cycling with this regimine? how many days on and how many days off.

I need to increase cellular communcation, IGF-1 levels and ATP and mitochondrial function. That is the purpose of this treatment not to be muscle stud or prevent aging. I am 45 but my Testosterone, DHEAS, Thyoid, IGG and IGF levels are all low and my cortisol is high.

Hoping to get tangible advice since I can't seem to find a doctor to assist me without flying to the mainland.

VItamin supplementation has improved my circumstances about 40-50 percent so far from being bedridden. Now I'd like to be back where I was pre-illness.

THank you in advance.

[ironaddict69]

which vitamins helped?

[Mike Dura]

I was once diagnosed with having Chronic fatigue syndrome so I researched it. I haven't looked it up recently but back in 91' I read that 90% of the population would test positive for Epstein Barr virus which was thought to be the underlying cause of CFS. The problem is the majority of those people with EBV don't have the symptoms of CFS. So it's a diagnosis based on symptoms but you can't find something in a tray (like you can with HIV). Therefore, the majority of the physicians had little respect for this "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome." It was once called "yuppie hysterica." I had the symptoms but I believe that CFS is similar to God. You have to have faith that it's real. But I'll tell you, feeling abnormally tired and having impaired concentration was very real to me. Maybe I was just ***ressed.

Currently I am having great difficulty in getting my physicians to do what global and national research physicians recommend related to HRT for Chronic Fatigue SYndrome. I've been doing a tremendous amount of research and purchased some things which aren't here yet. I am worried about doing this by myself wsith no real instructional guide other than to spend weeks pouring over these types of bulletin board systems and other internet site. What I've found so far is that I should take the following

HCG 24 IU a month in 5 day a week subcutaneous shots
Testosterone Cypionate 100mg weekly injections intramuscular
Clomiphene Citrate 51mg pill a day
Anastrozole 1mg pill a day
HCG 10,000 IU a month in 5 day a week subcutaneous
shots.

My question is does anyone have any suggestions and is there any issue with necessary cycling with this regimine? how many days on and how many days off.

I need to increase cellular communcation, IGF-1 levels and ATP and mitochondrial function. That is the purpose of this treatment not to be muscle stud or prevent aging. I am 45 but my Testosterone, DHEAS, Thyoid, IGG and IGF levels are all low and my cortisol is high.

Hoping to get tangible advice since I can't seem to find a doctor to assist me without flying to the mainland.

VItamin supplementation has improved my circumstances about 40-50 percent so far from being bedridden. Now I'd like to be back where I was pre-illness.

THank you in advance.

[ironaddict69]

is there any cure for the Epstein bar virus?

[Tapout]

jawncy
you have been doing some real impressive research
with hgh it is recomended from most people to do between 2-4 ius per day for 5 days-then 2 off
so 24 ius per month seems very low amount
with test cyp at 100mg per week is a good trt dose and no it is not cycled if you are low test needing hrt
hcg is something you do on and off but I do not have enough info to get you good advice on the other stuff

good luck bro

[Jawncy]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post3484505

At the top is what I am taking and what has helped and down below is some information about doctors and other treatment protocols for this. It isn't in my head.

Mitochondrial function are off, IGG and IGF levels are off, testosterone is off, DHEAS is low, cortisol is high. Cyt*****lovirus is off the charts and thyroid doesn't work.
I am not imaging these problems. I was bedridden for 9 months and now I am up and around due specifically to supplementation that was suggested by the global specialsts.

[Jawncy]

Actually there is a test that can be done by Redlabs USA in Nevada that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have it. There is a new medication called Ampligen that has shown tremendous promise the test that REDLABS has is part of that FDA study protocol.

The test is very hard to do since it requires very strict control over the blood and very specific shipping protocols.

[Jawncy]

There is a cure for Epstein Barr. I had the virus but it is now gone with a cycle of gancyclovir antiviral medication.

This virus can be killed with the gancyclovir where cyto meg-alovirus cannot be killed and there is no cure for this problem which is what I have.

It is not HIV related but all of the same blood related problems result in low T cell counts and an inability for the blood to clot well and the previous levels being off.

[ironaddict69]

do you know the symptoms of epstein barr? i tried loking it up and couldnt find any?

[perfectbeast2001]

your going to have problems if you run those compounds year round mate.. About the only thing you have right is the test dose. The GH is too low and the other compounds should not be run on a year round basis due to there sides (some possibly quite unpleasant and even dangerous)

[MMA]

your going to have problems if you run those compounds year round mate.. About the only thing you have right is the test dose. The GH is too low and the other compounds should not be run on a year round basis due to there sides (some possibly quite unpleasant and even dangerous)

that used to be the conventional wisdom, but the current "state of the art" for HRT is constant low dose HCG, and the users swear by it. check out Dr. Swale's latest HRT protocols (i think he's still on ****, and he's the best in the business).

not sure what he's attempting to achieve with the clomiphene citrate, other gear does the same job better with less sides.

arimidex year round? the lowered estrogen might screw his lipid profile, but it's milder than femara, and with a significant amount of exogenous test, the adex might just leave his estro in the normal range anyway. nolva tends to blunt this effect as well.

in addition to the HRT approach, i would also try provigil (great for some, not so great for others). if you feel like being edgy, also try selegeline (research it at imminst.org - cool stuff, also boosted life span by 20% in animal studies).

also, remedyfind.com has a list of every known treatment for CFS and real world ratings and feedback by real people who have tried them. means less BS from the pharmaceutical companies and other groups with dollars and agendas at stake.

[ironaddict69]

that used to be the conventional wisdom, but the current "state of the art" for HRT is constant low dose HCG, and the users swear by it. check out Dr. Swale's latest HRT protocols (i think he's still on ****, and he's the best in the business).

not sure what he's attempting to achieve with the clomiphene citrate, other gear does the same job better with less sides.

arimidex year round? the lowered estrogen might screw his lipid profile, but it's milder than femara, and with a significant amount of exogenous test, the adex might just leave his estro in the normal range anyway. nolva tends to blunt this effect as well.

in addition to the HRT approach, i would also try provigil (great for some, not so great for others). if you feel like being edgy, also try selegeline (research it at imminst.org - cool stuff, also boosted life span by 20% in animal studies).

also, remedyfind.com has a list of every known treatment for CFS and real world ratings and feedback by real people who have tried them. means less BS from the pharmaceutical companies and other groups with dollars and agendas at stake.

hey bro talk to me about selegiline. i have low dopamine levels, proven by urinal tests. something i recommend every person with chronic fatigue to do by the way. im interested in it for energy, mood, and sex drive. (all those are low with a dopamine level of 50 when the range is 150-300, and serotonin and norep and epinephrine are the same way)

[Jawncy]

See this website http://www.selegiline.com/ after you read this.
You can get these very inexpensively at www.alldaychemist.com

Selegiline, popularly known as l-***renyl, has life-enhancing properties. Selegiline is a selective, irreversible MAO-b inhibitor with antioxidant, immune-system-boosting and anti-neurodegenerative effects. It retards the metabolism not just of dopamine but also of phenylethylamine, a trace amine also found in chocolate and released when we're in love. Selegiline also stimulates the release of superoxide dismutase (SOD); SOD is a key enzyme which helps to quench damaging free-radicals.

Taken consistently in low doses, selegiline extends the life-expectancy of rats by some 20%; enhances drive, libido and endurance; and in***endently improves cognitive performance in Alzheimer's patients and in some healthy normals. It is used successfully to treat canine cognitive dysfunction syndrome (CDS) in dogs. In 2006, higher dose (i.e. less MAO-b selective) selegiline was licensed as the anti***ressant EMSAM, a transdermal patch. Selegiline also protects the brain's dopamine cells from oxidative stress. The brain has only about 30-40 thousand dopaminergic neurons in all. It tends to lose perhaps 13% a decade in adult life. An eventual 70%-80% loss leads to the dopamine-deficiency disorder Parkinson's disease and frequently ***ression. Clearly anything that spares so precious a resource might prove a valuable tool for life-enrichment

The dose for adulst seems to be between 5-10mg a day. It is very inexpensive at about 12 CENTS a pill (5mg).

[Jawncy]

L- De .Pr. en. yl

[MMA]

The dose for adulst seems to be between 5-10mg a day. It is very inexpensive at about 12 CENTS a pill (5mg).

i wouldn't go that high on the dosage. this stuff is powerful. 2 mg a day and you'll feel like you're on fire.

[ironaddict69]

have u tried it?

[MMA]

used it, loved it. feel great, energy, mentally sharper. focused. one small drawback - a tiny, tiny bit of of it metabolizes into amphetamnine. to be be perfectly clear, THIS IS NOT IT'S MODE OF ACTION, JUST A SMALL METABOLITE! about a cup of coffee worth of stim. however, because of this, you will piss hot on all drug tests, so i can only use it part time.


they invented a substitute with no amphetamine metabolites, called rasigiline (sp?), but it's MUCH more expensive.

[MMA]

if dopamine is your problem, you might also consider a provigil/wellbutrin combo, they both affect dopamine and stack nicely. you'll feel better, more energetic, and if you're still in school, your grades may go up dramaticly.

FYI - the Nootropic movement has some very interesting stuff out now. nootropics are the "smart drugs" - basicly steroids for your brain. they've finally gotten to the point where they have synergistic combos that can dramaticly increase your mental performance. juicing your brain is much more complicated that juicing your body however, and what works for some may not work for others. you'll just have to get a list of the things that usually benefit your condition, and keep playing around with them until you find a combo that does what you need and has few sides.

[MMA]

at some elite high schools, 80% of the student body has been diagnosed with "ADD". this basicly means they lack the concentration to study dense German philosophy for 15 hours at a time. unless they're medicated. performance enhancemnt has gone way beyond high school football players juicing up.

[Jawncy]

It's only a dollar thirty five cents for 10 pills at alldaychemist.com look under selegiline on the left side second dropdown list.

[lacey231]

Currently I am having great difficulty in getting my physicians to do what global and national research physicians recommend related to HRT for Chronic Fatigue SYndrome. I've been doing a tremendous amount of research and purchased some things which aren't here yet. I am worried about doing this by myself wsith no real instructional guide other than to spend weeks pouring over these types of bulletin board systems and other internet site. What I've found so far is that I should take the following

HCG 24 IU a month in 5 day a week subcutaneous shots
Testosterone Cypionate 100mg weekly injections intramuscular
Clomiphene Citrate 51mg pill a day
Anastrozole 1mg pill a day
HCG 10,000 IU a month in 5 day a week subcutaneous
shots.

My question is does anyone have any suggestions and is there any issue with necessary cycling with this regimine? how many days on and how many days off.

I need to increase cellular communcation, IGF-1 levels and ATP and mitochondrial function. That is the purpose of this treatment not to be muscle stud or prevent aging. I am 45 but my Testosterone, DHEAS, Thyoid, IGG and IGF levels are all low and my cortisol is high.

Hoping to get tangible advice since I can't seem to find a doctor to assist me without flying to the mainland.

VItamin supplementation has improved my circumstances about 40-50 percent so far from being bedridden. Now I'd like to be back where I was pre-illness.

THank you in advance.

1mg of arimidex a day is way too much on just a TRT dose of test. AAS users on high dosetest don't use that much

I'de get on the test, wait a while, get your estradiol checked alonside your Test. If the estradiol needs to be lowered start on 0.25mg e3d. Then adjust from there.

What is the point in the clomid on top of the arimidex, and testosterone?

What were your test results btw?

I wouldn't be going on all that stuff right away. Post up your blood tests.

[Jawncy]

VERY balanced approach. I am not technically being seen by Crisler. I read his document. It seemed the mose level approach. I just saw an endocrinologist today who ordered many tests for related autoimmune dysfunction. Adrenal Antibody Screen, Islet Cell Antibody, Gastric Parietal Cell Antibody, Insulin C-Peptide, Testosterone Free and Total. My last two blood tests for T came out low. Since I have Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (an autoimmune disease) the disease is killing off other organis (causing hypogonadism and Lot T4) I also have a T4 to T3 conversion issue in that my body does not properly convert T4 to T3 so I started on Armour Thyroid today, hopefully I'll feel better. If my test results come back low a third time then I"ll get a testosterone replacement. THANKFULLY. SOmeone who'll listen. I've been dealing with this since November 2004 to no success.

[ironaddict69]

jawcy have u tried the selegiline?

[Jawncy]

No I am going to order it soon. Doctor said I definitely have shown a low testosterone reading the last three tests since 2004 and my prior endocrinologist ignored it even after being told by me that it was low and it should be looked at. THis Endocrinologist said if the newest test comes back low that I'll have an scrip for testosterone right away.

I'm going through quite a bit now with my health care. I saw a specialist today who said I may have a very rare disease (only 14-20 per million) called Polyglandular Autoimmune Syndrome typically called "Schmidt's Syndrome". This is where the entire Endocrine system is being attacked by my bodies immune system called AutoImmune Disorder. Since I"ve been trying to find out what is really wrong with me the last 3 years I have been reluctant to try any new thing until I have this endocrine problems under control. It is a delicate balance.

I am looking forward to going on it though sounds exciting.

I GOT ARMOUR THYROID TODAY WITH THE T3. The doctor emphatically said I have a T4 to T3 conversion detriment and my body is not converting T4 to T3 properly. The body has a T4 to T3 ratio of 3/5 (3 of T3 and 5 of T4). The Armour thyroid is a 5/3 reverse ratio since it comes from dessicated cows thyroid. If thsi is too much T3 then he will put me on cytomel and levothyroxine after a time to see if this works.

Long answer but in short no.

[Jawncy]

I read from several subjective sources (personal experiences) that on occasion the pill form of De pre nyl (selegeline) can have a different metabolic effect than desired. Under these circumstances a LIQUID form of the product can be taken and there is one at http://www.selepryl.com/. It is a very large supply of the medication - at least 2-4 months with normal use for around 70.00. Look up the work selepryl and you'll see it on google.

[ironaddict69]

I read from several subjective sources (personal experiences) that on occasion the pill form of De pre nyl (selegeline) can have a different metabolic effect than desired. Under these circumstances a LIQUID form of the product can be taken and there is one at http://www.selepryl.com/. It is a very large supply of the medication - at least 2-4 months with normal use for around 70.00. Look up the work selepryl and you'll see it on google.

different metabolic effect? what do u mean? so would u try the Emsam patch instead so its straight into the blood stream? i ordered the liquid product of selegiline from *******, AR doesnt carry it.

[Jawncy]

If you are taking this medication or considering it please read that website because there are noted drug precautions and interactions which will not work with this medication.

[Jawncy]

I"ve heard the liquid product is superior but remember it is 300mg in the 12ml bottle so just a few drops will do it. Someone said it made them anxious and jittery and easy to jump with their anger. WHen they went on the liquid they did not have that problem. Also remember to look at the drug intereactions and if you are on one of those ant ***ressants or MAO inhibitors look at the dosing and talk to yoiur doctor. They couldn't explain it but they preferred the liquid. I"m getting my doctor to prescribe it to me and I'll start at 2.5 mg a day and take it from their. If ou take too much right away they say you'll have a problem with the body like headaches and upset stomach. The liquid is better assimilated but still be careful with it. Apparently it is strong.

[ironaddict69]

im starting at 5 mg total, my dopamine is LOW. duuuude tell me, HOWD u get ur doc to do it? i think i can talk a different one into it.

[Jawncy]

Dude yourself, your profile isn't funny! knife? scary thought?!

Anyway, I just asked him to do it. I told him it was such and such an amount on the internet and could he please prescribe it for better cognitive functioning and memory. He did not have a problem with it at the 2.5 to 5 mg levels. I told him I need all the help I can get with my endcrine system all screwed up with this "schmidt's syndrom" (polyglandular autoimmune disorder). Maybe he felt sorry for me since he knows how sick I am and that I might need an extra edge? I am just glad. It's only a $10.00 copayment per month for anything.

[Jawncy]

Send me that research chem site you order from please. I'd like to look at it closely.