Deca stronger than Test?!

[reddragon4954]

I was talking w/ a vet from another board and wondering if this is true.
He said that 800 Deca wk and Test 125mg wk would yield better muscle gains than if I ran 500mg Test and 500 Deca? Is this right, b/c I always thought that Test was supposed to be the king of all muscle builders?

[Fordfan01]

haha ur vet is giving u bad advice u always want to make sure to have ur test higher than ur deca unless u enjoy not being able to get ur penis up

[reddragon4954]

that still does not answer anything!! Deca actually is 3xs stronger than Test so dicks aside would you get bigger by running Deca higher and test lower?

[taiboxa]

haha ur vet is giving u bad advice u always want to make sure to have ur test higher than ur deca unless u enjoy not being able to get ur penis up

now why would u make such a parroted statement as that?
are you implying that deca is so pwrful that its suppression is capable of SHUNTING other exogenous hormones.. specifically synthetic test? if so please elaborate on how and why it is mandatory to run test at such a high dose? are u affraid u wont have enough estrogen to stimulate ur progestorone recepters?!
sounds to me like you really need to educate your self on the endocrine system and the effects of exogenous hormones.

[Fordfan01]

now why would u make such a parroted statement as that?
are you implying that deca is so pwrful that its suppression is capable of SHUNTING other exogenous hormones.. specifically synthetic test? if so please elaborate on how and why it is mandatory to run test at such a high dose? are u affraid u wont have enough estrogen to stimulate ur progestorone recepters?!
sounds to me like you really need to educate your self on the endocrine system and the effects of exogenous hormones.

well wat would ur suggestion on this cycle be?

[taiboxa]

well wat would ur suggestion on this cycle be?

none lol.. infact im a strong advocater as are many experienced users, of using test at a TRT dosage while relying on the far more effective compounds to attains one's goals.. why do u want something that can aromatize and produce a whole array of unforseen and SEEN issues when u can use less androgenic non aromatizing compounds to achieve even greater gains?

[reddragon4954]

Well I saw one Pro, used 1000mg of Test and 1200mg EQ. If keepin test low and the other stuff high in order to attain as much muscle why does he run the test so high?

[Fordfan01]

none lol.. infact im a strong advocater as are many experienced users, of using test at a TRT dosage while relying on the far more effective compounds to attains one's goals.. why do u want something that can aromatize and produce a whole array of unforseen and SEEN issues when u can use less androgenic non aromatizing compounds to achieve even greater gains?

i see ur point but doesnt deca shut u down nearly 100% and very quickly? I thought a high doseage of deca and a low doseage of test would cause the so called deca dick. not trying to be a smart ass just goin on wat all ive seen in my research

[yarakefendi]

i rekon 800mg deca and 125mg test would be better than 500mg test and 500mg deca test makes me feel like im bigger becasue it just bloats u and adds more fat were as deca gives u more quality muscle. plus the fisrt option would prob give less side effects.

[MBaraso]

u could use 400mgs of test per week along with 1000000000000000000 mgs of deca and not get deca dick because as long as u have test in your system your stuff will work.

Now if u do a deca/winny cycle...yeah u can run into problems becuz of the absence of test. Also....Deca IMO shuts u down harder then most AS so extended clomid/nolva/hcg Therapy is needed and thats where alot of users run into problems.

The vets/mods said it better above^^^ though but thats how I see it :-)

[vitor]

High progesterone levels in men will kill libido(also prolactin buildup), if this happens it doesnt matter how much testosterone you have in your system. (Nadrolone is a noted progestin.)

Nadrolone is not effective at stimulating those nerve-cells responsable for erictile function(AAS like proviron and masteron is however), while testosterone is to, so you would be covered from that angle with the combination of test.

As for gains nadrolone is slightly more anabolic than test and binds about twice as strong to the androgen recepter. But this only goes for the AR, test has non ar meditaded mechanisms that Nadrolone doesnt have, also test gets reduced to a stronger androgen in DHT which also has some slight inpact on muscle grow.

I get more gains from test than nadrolone personally.

[MBaraso]

High progesterone levels in men will kill libido(also prolactin buildup), if this happens it doesnt matter how much testosterone you have in your system. (Nadrolone is a noted progestin.)

Nadrolone is not effective at stimulating those nerve-cells responsable for erictile function(AAS like proviron and masteron is however), while testosterone is to, so you would be covered from that angle with the combination of test.

As for gains nadrolone is slightly more anabolic than test and binds about twice as strong to the androgen recepter. But this only goes for the AR, test has non ar meditaded mechanisms that Nadrolone doesnt have, also test gets reduced to a stronger androgen in DHT which also has some slight inpact on muscle grow.

I get more gains from test than nadrolone personally.

By binding twice to the androgen recepter....It produces more what people?? MORE WATER!! More water means more strenght and more growth hence deca being labled "The king of mass builders".

[vitor]

By binding twice to the androgen recepter....It produces more what people?? MORE WATER!! More water means more strenght and more growth hence deca being labled "The king of mass builders".

No...you are way off!

The better an steroid binds to the androgen recepter, the more it will activate AR-meditaded mechanisms of muscle grow.

[MBaraso]

No...you are way off!

The better an steroid binds to the androgen recepter, the more it will activate AR-meditaded mechanisms of muscle grow.

Wow? Really? I'm not the guy that reads from science books bro. I'm telling u straight from experience and from what I've seen happen to other AS users.
Deca builds water like no other injectable steroid, thats why it's labled the king of mass builders. Name one INJECTABLE steroid that does the same as deca?

[Sage]

In conclusion, u don't need to run test extremely high to compliment secondary compound(s). There are a lot of good threads about just that clarification. Take some time and dig into the old threads.