would this cycle help me achieve my goal?

[buffgator]

I am currently getting ready to purchase my next cycle, but am at a loss as to what compounds I want to do. My goal is to add muscle maturity and density, with more muscle mass being a second priority. My stats are 6'2" 275lbs and 17% bf. I have been lifting weights for 10 years, and cycling for going on five years. I have done two body building shows, and one strong man contest. With the exception of insulin, hgh, and I-gf1, I have tried most everything. I was thinking that I would try
tren e 300-400mg per week 8 weeks
sust 750mg per week 8 weeks
winnie 50mg ed 6 weeks
arimidex .5mg per day through out
anthony roberts pct
possibley ephedra and clen starting 4 weeks before cycle and running through pct

[taiboxa]

i'd lowe the sust and up the tren and win.

[buffgator]

up them to how much?

[SMAN12b]

i'd lowe the sust and up the tren and win.

Tai, Do you think he will see good results running Tren E for only 8 weeks?

I would up the winny to at least 100mgs/ed for the last 6 weeks
and double the Tren E to 800/week JMHO

Tai is the Tren Expert here so see what he says

[buffgator]

I could swap the tren e out for tren a. I am just fond of shorter cycles. I am currently on a twelve week cycle, but it is only the second time I have ever run a cycle past 6 weeks. The only reason that I wanted to do tren e was because it is something I have never done, I did tren a in both my precontest cycles.

[SMAN12b]

You could front load the Tren E to help kickstart it quicker

[Sir Lifts-a-lot]

take the tren to week 10, i would get rid of sust and do prop (my personal opinion), other then taht I like it. The reason I say prop is because you are not as interested in mass as you are with density, quality lean muscle. It also goes good with tren I think.

[taiboxa]

Tai, Do you think he will see good results running Tren E for only 8 weeks?
I would up the winny to at least 100mgs/ed for the last 6 weeks
and double the Tren E to 800/week JMHO

Tai is the Tren Expert here so see what he says

if he frontloads he could get away w/ a 6 week cycle easy w/ trenE...

[buffgator]

yeah I dont realy care what test I take. I was thinking sust or prop because I wanted to see some changes while waiting for the tren to kick in. If I bump the tren up should I do 500 a week? I think that the results of my current cycle will help me decide if I am going to stick to 6 week cycles, or start running them longer. So if I do 6-8 weeks I will front load the tren, if I do 10-12 I will probably not.

[kynetguy]

Well, if yo ulike short cycles do TrenA and Prop. Then you could definately get away with a 6-8 week cycle with fabulous results.

You could probablly still front load with the short esters, but probablly isn't needed. I am not certain. I am going to follow SMan's lead here and see what the Trenaholic says about front loading TrenA.

[buffgator]

Yeah your right, if I decide on a short cycle I can use tren a and prop, if I decide on a long one I can do tren e and sust. I am really torn between thinking that short cycles are superior, and trying to figure out what I am missing not doing long cycles.

[kynetguy]

Yeah your right, if I decide on a short cycle I can use tren a and prop, if I decide on a long one I can do tren e and sust. I am really torn between thinking that short cycles are superior, and trying to figure out what I am missing not doing long cycles.

Lets see....you are missing. . . .

Longer recovery times.
Mid-end of cycle plataues (sp? pla-toe) LOL
Longer times between cycles - Time on should = time off

There are some compounds that are long esters that will dictate you run longer cycles.

But in the case of test/tren cycle (oh mast prop would be a delicious addition) I would opt for short esters. I would rather run 2 8 week cycles instead of 1 12 week.

Using the time on = time off formula, you could run 16 weeks of tren/prop using 2 8's as opposed to 12 weeks in 24 using a 12 week cycle.

8 on
8 off
8 on

12 on
12 off

This would give receptors time to recover. (8-8-8) Thus allowing the second 8 weeks to be more effective than a 12 week straight run. Perhaps only slightly better. But better.