STEROIDS: anyone ever decided to go clean?

[G-Force]

from all AAS

ive been cycling for about 3 years now and have gradually noticed a deteriation in my sex drive as i discussed with merc and a few other on another thread

another thing is i am tired of all the acne, the sweating, the feeling hot all the time etc

basically i just feel like i need a break - a long break not just a standard 12 week break between cycle
i will continue hgh, slin , igf, clen in cycles and see how long i can stay off AAS for and see how i feel

i would like to hear from people who have like me decided they have had enough for the while and how long they took off
were they able to stay off?
how did they feel?
how much did they lose?
did they fully recover? if so how fast?

anyone else thinking they might do the same after being on for so long?

All opinions welcome

[needsomehelp]

Never can hurt as long as you continu to lift hard...but your far from clean with th rest of the stuff.

[hosam4ever]

me 2 i think ill stay off for a year coz really i am bored from injecting my self i feel i need a long break it will b good enough for me when i decide 2 cycle again ill be benfiting from this long break

[G-Force]

Never can hurt as long as you continu to lift hard...but your far from clean with th rest of the stuff.

i just want to stay clean from AAS

the other compounds i mentioned wont give me acne, sweats, excess body hair or a limp d!ck

[Ejuicer]

I don't take breaks very often, I usually bridge. When I have I see a huge decrease in sex drive and definitely lose mass. It's quite hard psychologically to see mass disappear that i've worked so hard to build.
With that being said, I'll never take a full break again. I'll at least always be on hgh if i'm not going to have any gear in my system.
The longest break i've been able to achieve was 4-5 months but that was maybe 3+ years ago I would guess. My more recent break I was only able to do about 3 months before wanting to get back on again.
I'd personally like a to do at least a year break but that will have to wait until I see that outcome of my next few competitions.

[G-Force]

I don't take breaks very often, I usually bridge. When I have I see a huge decrease in sex drive and definitely lose mass. It's quite hard psychologically to see mass disappear that i've worked so hard to build.
With that being said, I'll never take a full break again. I'll at least always be on hgh if i'm not going to have any gear in my system.
The longest break i've been able to achieve was 4-5 months but that was maybe 3+ years ago I would guess. My more recent break I was only able to do about 3 months before wanting to get back on again.
I'd personally like a to do at least a year break but that will have to wait until I see that outcome of my next few competitions.

whats your sex drive like when u are on cycle for such a long time?

i found mine was not that great even on cycle nowadays
probably cos i never recovered properly between cycles

[Mogamedogz]

I did one cycle of Test (only) last year, and I dont think I will do it again. I had great gains, and felt like an absolute monster... but I just dont think it was worth jepordizing my health later on in life for.

My son being born kind of changed my outlook on things. But to each their own.

[nathanlgd]

I'm pretty much a beginer compared to most on here. I've done two cycles of test e and then test e and d-bol. Both with proper PCT and anti e's throughout. Both with the proper amount of off time. Infact I finished PCT for my last cycle about 9 months ago. I was just starting to think and plan a winter cycle but I've just recently noticed the effects of gyno in my left nip. Its only very slight but I'm unable to get hold of any letro so I'm just treating it and hopefully stopping it in its tracks with nolva.
I'm now seriously swaying towards just training clean simply because I don't want this gyno to worsen. I was convinced I wasn't prone to gyno after both cycles went perfectly well, without any sign of gyno. So like I say, now I think I'm gunna train natural. I'm just going to have to be even more strict with my-self and train even harder to gain the results I need. I am disapointed because I would have loved to have done another cycle or two...

[Ejuicer]

whats your sex drive like when u are on cycle for such a long time?

i found mine was not that great even on cycle nowadays
probably cos i never recovered properly between cycles

On cycle it's usually still high but it depends on how much test i'm running too.

[Merc..]

G-force ,

I still feel there are a few things that are contributing factors ....

You where using a gram of test last cycle right???

I think maybe your body was just converting estro at such a high rate causing your problem. Have you tried lower doses of test ?? Do you still have the same problem if so???


I have researched this for awhile and it seems the main factor in this occurring ( other than what I said above) is due to the fact that steroids lower t-3 and in turn raise prolactin thus diminishing sex drive. Now I know you used caber and did really have any success with it....

So,

This is just my opinion but maybe could try a small dose of t-3 while on cycle and see if it helps counter act the prolactin problem.

I know your going to be getting your bloodwork done as we said in the last thread , and I am very curios to see what it shows .. As its all speculation until then Get a total hormone workup .. Be sure to check progest and prolaction.. I have a blood work sticky with some excellent info in it if you have time check it out as I think it might help ya..


merc.
Estro / test levels must be in the proper

[Merc..]

Here's the link to my blood work sticky if you wanna chack it out G-force..

Its a long read but very informative

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=254423


Merc.

[Lexed]

never decided to go clean I take usually 5-6 month breaks until I cycle and everything works fine.

[G-Force]

Merc thanks for the thread
i have read thru it
the last time i had a blood test the results showed only about 20% of this info

maybe i need to be more specific - i am going to a different doctor this time and will make sure i request everything

can i request that they test for prolactin and progest? only these werent mentioned on your sticky

i was running 1g test yeah, on smaller amounts i was probably a bit better thinking about it

i have also been running T 4 for a long time, best part of a year, not sure how this effects my t3 levels?

[Merc..]

Merc thanks for the thread
i have read thru it
the last time i had a blood test the results showed only about 20% of this info

maybe i need to be more specific - i am going to a different doctor this time and will make sure i request everything

can i request that they test for prolactin and progest? only these werent mentioned on your sticky

i was running 1g test yeah, on smaller amounts i was probably a bit better thinking about it

i have also been running T 4 for a long time, best part of a year, not sure how this effects my t3 levels?

Yes you can request prolactin and progest tested as I feel it could be the culprit ( again until we get some blood work results where just guessing)...

Your's does seem kinda tricky though

Oh and T-3 is converted from t-4 (to answer your question about t-4 effects on it)

( like I said in the other thread , I know is hard but do your best to keep your mind off of it. Over analyzing at this point will just lead to unnecessary stress which can make the situation worse)..


The 1 g per week probably has direct connection on your problem IMO.. I think if you lower your dose in future cycles it will help.. But again we need blood works results to know for sure..

Also just wanted to say I know people who cruise year round on test and when the bump their doses up to due a cycle they have the same kinda problem your having.

Merc.

[Superhuman]

I decided to come off completely indefinitely since my last cycle. I ran may last 2 cycles over 14 weeks because I wasn't seeing gains, but I WAS seeing more acne, bloating and sweating. Basically, my body just stopped responding positively to every steroid I tried. I'm all-natural now and I am very happy. I'm getting shredded now and much stronger, too. I have lost a little size all-over but it was mainly fat, and I think I look bigger because my waist is tighter now. I also love going into the gym and seeing all these guys who are juiced up (here in texas where I'm visiting 4/5 guys are on steroids at the gym), then lift more than them and look better than them, knowing that this is all me and hard work not steroids. Some day I'll get back on, but not for a long time.

[Superhuman]

BTW, I've been off for about 2months+ now. My last cycle I was doing over a gram of test a week, 700mg of Tren, and 600mg of Deca. I did a PCT of Clomid and HCG, but I didn't have enough HCG so I think my test may be a little low. I bought some of that Gaspari Novadex and I got my Testosterone tested at the doc yesterday, I'll let you know what my levels are

[pr0digy9daniel]

Ive thought about it, to be honist, sometimes it seems too much trouble these days. You always have to watch and worry about the feds, sources are disappearing, and the amount of dodgy gear out there is scary... I love the feeling of working out in the gym with gear and getting bigger than I would otherwise, but sometimes its just a headache... I personally think I will stop before I get in trouble or get ill from this shit...

[Merc..]

BTW, I've been off for about 2months+ now. My last cycle I was doing over a gram of test a week, 700mg of Tren, and 600mg of Deca. I did a PCT of Clomid and HCG, but I didn't have enough HCG so I think my test may be a little low. I bought some of that Gaspari Novadex and I got my Testosterone tested at the doc yesterday, I'll let you know what my levels are

Thanks for posting your situation..

You just used clomid and hcg for pct??

Keep in mind HCG is suppressive ( due to its effects on 17 ohp)..

Nolva when used in conjunction with HCG will block its suppressive nature.. Clomid is not as effective in doing this... You dont want to take something (hcg ) in pct if its going to suppress you more.. And please let us know when you get your bloodwork results..


Sorry for the slight high jack G force..

Merc.

[J*U*icEd]

if been totally off sauce for about 2 1/2 years now... feels great can't wait to hit the sauce again those receptors will be nice and fresh!

[ecivon]

I've been off for 8 months now from a crappy prop deca cycle and have no intentions of going back on, but may try gh next year.

Never felt better. No sides, injections, etc and sex drive coming back to pre cycle days.

IMO, cycling long term is only good for those in competition, or working towards it and not something 'recreational'.

Damned prop changed my attitude forever.

[Merc..]

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[Ruffneck]

coming up to my 3rd cycle at 39 and i dont want to quit, love the feeling of being superman(if you know what i mean
so no hope of being clean for me.
first cycle didnt use any pct and regretted it but 2nd i used aromasin and nolva and recovered easily(excuse spelling if its all f/cked up
no acne or other sides for me when i'm on(guess i'm lucky)
all the best with putting on and keeping muscle with no hormonale help.

ruff

[G-Force]

Yes you can request prolactin and progest tested as I feel it could be the culprit ( again until we get some blood work results where just guessing)...

Your's does seem kinda tricky though

Oh and T-3 is converted from t-4 (to answer your question about t-4 effects on it)

( like I said in the other thread , I know is hard but do your best to keep your mind off of it. Over analyzing at this point will just lead to unnecessary stress which can make the situation worse)..


The 1 g per week probably has direct connection on your problem IMO.. I think if you lower your dose in future cycles it will help.. But again we need blood works results to know for sure..

Also just wanted to say I know people who cruise year round on test and when the bump their doses up to due a cycle they have the same kinda problem your having.

Merc.

t3 is converted from t4 but does that mean if i take t4 i will have high t3 levels also?

if so then we can cross this off the list of things that could be lowering my sex drive??

i have been on hcg for 4 days now and sex drive is a lot better
pitty i only have about 6 days worth of it left

been off 2 weeks now and counting lol

[Tbone1975]

if been totally off sauce for about 2 1/2 years now... feels great can't wait to hit the sauce again those receptors will be nice and fresh!

Great! Good for you. Did you keep your gains in the long run?

[Merc..]

t3 is converted from t4 but does that mean if i take t4 i will have high t3 levels also?

if so then we can cross this off the list of things that could be lowering my sex drive??

i have been on hcg for 4 days now and sex drive is a lot better
pitty i only have about 6 days worth of it left

been off 2 weeks now and counting lol

Keep in mind most t-3 is not produced by your thyroid but is converted from t-4 ( somewhere around 80% of t-3 comes from the conversion ). This is done by the deiodinase enzyme...

What I am saying is IF your T-4 -T-3 conversion process is not functioning proper you could be taking a bunch of t-4 thats not begin converted into t-3 and could be part of the problem..

All this shit can be very tricky and we need blood work to really know for sure. So this is all just guessing until we see blood work results

Make sure to get you thyroid levels checked also if possible.. TSH as well as T-4 and T-3...

Why are you taking synthroid (t-4) ?? Was just curios if you have some sorta of thyroid problem ???

Merc.

[Merc..]

Oh ,

[Drummerboy]

I have been clean for a couple years and a few months now. I feel normal, libido, acne, sweats etc. are all back in line. It took a WHILE. I dont care what anyone says, you dont just get better after a few weeks of PCT. It takes several months to even scratch the surface, and many heavier users are never quite the same. I stopped lifting about 2 years ago to heal up the joints and tendons, cause i hurt my shoulder/elbows. I got chubby (estro spike) about 20% bft. I was 5-9 at 215 pds pretty lean, then i was 205 chubby, now im at 192 and dieting back into shape (had to wait till the old endocrine system balanced... tren is harsh!). I feel im ready for another go... i did not lose a lot of muscle and im still have about 70% of my strength/muscle gains. With what i know now tho... i will do very good on my next go, and will look good, and keep it Take a break if you feel you need to, its worth it feeling normal again IMHO

~DB~

[ecivon]

I have been clean for a couple years and a few months now. I feel normal, libido, acne, sweats etc. are all back in line. It took a WHILE. I dont care what anyone says, you dont just get better after a few weeks of PCT. It takes several months to even scratch the surface, and many heavier users are never quite the same. I stopped lifting about 2 years ago to heal up the joints and tendons, cause i hurt my shoulder/elbows. I got chubby (estro spike) about 20% bft. I was 5-9 at 215 pds pretty lean, then i was 205 chubby, now im at 192 and dieting back into shape (had to wait till the old endocrine system balanced... tren is harsh!). I feel im ready for another go... i did not lose a lot of muscle and im still have about 70% of my strength/muscle gains. With what i know now tho... i will do very good on my next go, and will look good, and keep it Take a break if you feel you need to, its worth it feeling normal again IMHO

~DB~

Good post DB ...

[Superhuman]

Thanks for posting your situation..

You just used clomid and hcg for pct??

Keep in mind HCG is suppressive ( due to its effects on 17 ohp)..

Nolva when used in conjunction with HCG will block its suppressive nature.. Clomid is not as effective in doing this... You dont want to take something (hcg ) in pct if its going to suppress you more.. And please let us know when you get your bloodwork results..


Sorry for the slight high jack G force..

Merc.

how is HCG suppressive??? that doesn't make any sense, because I feel more test when I'm on HCG than prop! The profile says it raises Test 300%.

[Merc..]

how is HCG suppressive??? that doesn't make any sense, because I feel more test when I'm on HCG than prop! The profile says it raises Test 300%.

It is a known fact HCG is suppressive ( please research this).. Thats why people dont like it for pct..

How is it suppressive you ask ?? Well one way its suppressive is it has an effect on 17 hydroprogesterone (17- ohp) which gives it a suppressive nature ...


Please click the link below in my signature Hookers PCT as this will give you a better understanding ..


Merc.

[Kratos]

how is HCG suppressive??? that doesn't make any sense, because I feel more test when I'm on HCG than prop! The profile says it raises Test 300%.

HCG is exogenous LH, so you arn't producing any of your own. The pituitary and hypothalamus are often the limiting factor in recovery. The resulting high testosterone level when using hcg can itself trigger negative feedback inhibition at the hypothalamus, leaving it totally shutdown.

[wascaptain5214]

quiting steroids is easy....ive done it hundreds of times

[millionairemurph]

im going to be going clean in 3 weeks or so. 8 weeks if you consider nolva, hcg, adex, and clomid not being clean. But in 16 weeks or after i have my bloodwork checked out after pct....

[millionairemurph]

quiting steroids is easy....ive done it hundreds of times

Nice!!!!

[J*U*icEd]

i have written countless posts on why HCG isn't for PCT and how the negative feedback mechanisms of LH make HCG counterproductive for PCT.... do a search!

[Amorphic]

Very interesting thread. Speaking from a still 100% natural standpoint, a lot of what everyone says is kind of 50/50 in regards to whether or not taking aas was beneficial or not. I've got another year before I cycle, I'm hoping that when i do i will get the best out of it and my research and planning will pay off. For everyone else thats juicing or has come off, good luck with your training. Juice or no juice it all comes from diet and hard work anyways.

[Jeff1]

I myself in no way as hardcore as most of the bros on here. I will cycle test and maybe a few others in low doses for the rest of my life. I have been off the juice for almost 2 years and I think I am going to jump back on then take a good break. will cycle and in moderation untill the day that i die or I run out..

[NotSmall]

Keep in mind most t-3 is not produced by your thyroid but is converted from t-4 ( somewhere around 80% of t-3 comes from the conversion ). This is done by the deiodinase enzyme...

What I am saying is IF your T-4 -T-3 conversion process is not functioning proper you could be taking a bunch of t-4 thats not begin converted into t-3 and could be part of the problem..

All this shit can be very tricky and we need blood work to really know for sure. So this is all just guessing until we see blood work results

Make sure to get you thyroid levels checked also if possible.. TSH as well as T-4 and T-3...

Why are you taking synthroid (t-4) ?? Was just curios if you have some sorta of thyroid problem ???

Merc.

"Also make sure your taking a good multi that contains Chromium (200mcgs ) Selenium (200mcgs) Iodine (75mcgs) zinc (50mgs) copper (3mgs) this will ensure that your getting all the nutrients required for the production of the enzyme deiodinase, which is responsible for the conversion of T4 to T3." - Posted by Mallet, taken from www.ukiron.net

[Merc..]

"Also make sure your taking a good multi that contains Chromium (200mcgs ) Selenium (200mcgs) Iodine (75mcgs) zinc (50mgs) copper (3mgs) this will ensure that your getting all the nutrients required for the production of the enzyme deiodinase, which is responsible for the conversion of T4 to T3." - Posted by Mallet, taken from www.ukiron.net

Good post but we need to find out if G force is taking synthroid due to a thyroid problem.

Yes it is a great idea to take a multi vit like you said but if the person has a problem with thyroid function it will not be enough to correct the problem. IMO


So G force did your doctor put you on synthroid because of a thyroid problem ?? Or is it something your doing on your own as part of your cycle ????

Thanks for the input Not Small


Merc.

[NotSmall]

I thought it was worth mentioning because alot of people are happily popping their T4 in blissful ignorance of the fact that without those trace minerals in their proper amounts very little of the T4 will convert to the more active T3.