1st cycle

[goneyachemy]

What do you guys think of a sustanon 250 dbol cycle for my first one?

[Kale]

We would like to know a bit more about you before we give advice. Age, stats, workout expereince

[goneyachemy]

Age:21
Weight:215
Height:5'11
Years working out:5

When i was 16 i was 307 pounds but started lifting hardcore ever since and dieted lost 115. I continue to work out and exercise put on some muscle and now weight 215. I'm not positive on my bf% but i could get that info for you its obviously better now then it was, still have some loose skin as a result anyway if you need some more info let me know. Thanks

[Johny-too-small]

Why sust? That stuffs for old men whos balls dont work.

[goneyachemy]

the sust is all i have at the moment so, instead if buying eth or cyp and waiting i figured i would see if i could use it up

[Johny-too-small]

Well whats your cycle going to look like and pct?

[goneyachemy]

500 mgs of sust a week
20mg of dbol/day

I was thinking of running the sust for 12 weeks and the dbol for the first 4 weeks as far as pct i have Nolvadex and also hcg if necessary. I'm not sure if the sust is really good for week injections though.

[Big]

500 mgs of sust a week
20mg of dbol/day

I was thinking of running the sust for 12 weeks and the dbol for the first 4 weeks as far as pct i have Nolvadex and also hcg if necessary. I'm not sure if the sust is really good for week injections though.

you wouldn't want to inject sust only once a week if that's what you're saying, and what exactly do you have planned for pct? (dosages, etc.)

[Johny-too-small]

There is no test that you want to inject only once per week, imo.

[goneyachemy]

Week 15 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
Week 16 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
Week 17 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

Would sust be better to inject every 3.5 days?

[Johny-too-small]

Week 15 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
Week 16 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
Week 17 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

Would sust be better to inject every 3.5 days?

You need at least another week or 2 to pct. And sust should be injected EOD.

[Big]

There is no test that you want to inject only once per week, imo.

agreed

[akh 1985]

Why sust? That stuffs for old men whos balls dont work.

[Johny-too-small]

I guess you dont know that it was designed as a solution for HRT.

[akh 1985]

I guess you dont know that it was designed as a solution for HRT.

i was wondering why you seem to not agree with him using sust

yes thats what it was originally for but not so much anymore

and just because your on trt doesnt mean your old

[Johny-too-small]

i was wondering why you seem to not agree with him using sust

yes thats what it was originally for but not so much anymore

and just because your on trt doesnt mean your old

Christ, dude, have you ever heard of sarcasm? And, yeah, sust is NOT ideal at all for bodybuilding.

[taiboxa]

i do a prop/enanthate blend, once a week inject.

[akh 1985]

And, yeah, sust is NOT ideal at all for bodybuilding.

please explain

[Johny-too-small]

please explain

sorry, bro, I forgot to add a word in my post...it should have said,
"sust is NOT ideal at all for newbie bodybuilding."

[akh 1985]

sorry, bro, I forgot to add a word in my post...it should have said,
"sust is NOT ideal at all for newbie bodybuilding."

please explain

[3bd]

i do a prop/enanthate blend, once a week inject.

Isn't that just Testoviron? And why once/wk if it has prop in it?

[Johny-too-small]

please explain

Okay here is just a few for starters:

1) Injecting ED or EOD is required, not something the newb wants to do on a first or second cycle and be running that much test (750-1000 ew)
2) 4 blends of different esters causing blood plasma levels to be all over the map (potential negative sides and unpredictability)
3) Sust flu and the pain from the shorter esters (prop) injections can cripple the newb. and having 4,5, or 6 injection sites for the first/second cycle can be tough on virgin muscle.
4) not possible to alter or change the dose of any of the esters if sides or strengths are undesirable.
5) typically overpriced compared to a single ester.
6) Much harder to control frontloading.
7) a newb can gain more weight if they go with a single longer ester test.

God this list can go on. So please explain why its right?

[taiboxa]

Isn't that just Testoviron? And why once/wk if it has prop in it?

i run it for trt...prop kicks in takes me 4 days while the enanthate is being cleaved and utilized keeping me stable the rest of the week if not 2 weeks..
i notice if i run testE once a week i kinda get.. meh.. cranky/emotional.. i found that when i add in prop it helps to keep me more stable like baby sust... which was manufactured for HRT once every 2-3weeks administration.

[3bd]

Oh. Got it.

[akh 1985]

1. since when is ed or eod required and why would they have to run 750-1000 ew?

3. are you saying test flu is only from sust?

6. fronloading would be pointless since it contains faster acting esters( i dont think fronloading is ever needed, after a few days even long esters will have your blood levels through the roof)

7. how did you come to this conclusion?

[Johny-too-small]

1. since when is ed or eod required and why would they have to run 750-1000 ew? This common knowledge. PROP BRO! It needs to be injected ED or EOD. Why the fck would you run sust to only get 30mg of prop a week. Its POINTLESS! What are you going to do, divide 1 ML of sus into 3-4 shots?????
3. are you saying test flu is only from sust? No, you can from any test. However, the sus flu can last MUCH longer
6. fronloading would be pointless since it contains faster acting esters( i dont think fronloading is ever needed, after a few days even long esters will have your blood levels through the roof) Thats why you would inject EOD! Get it, and the circle goes round-and-round. I dont see why the experienced user cant frontload this piss.
7. how did you come to this conclusion? Compare 250mg of sust to 250mg of enan. Enanthate contains more raw test than the mixture in sust. Test gains are obviously dose dependant to a point

You still have not answered my question.

[akh 1985]

sust... which was manufactured for HRT once every 2-3weeks administration.

johnny to small,

why inject ed to only get 30 mgs of prop a day

i never stated sust was good for a beginner, i just simply asked you to explain the "advice" you were giving out

your statements are flawed and uneducated

im done arguing with you

[Dizz28]

johhny too small your statements are flawed and uneducated

im done arguing with you

It seems you don't know what your talking about. I think Johny explained it well

[akh 1985]

It seems you don't know what your talking about. I think Johny explained it well

are you serious?

the points he made were flawed and some were ludacris!

please explain how i "dont know what im talking about"

[Dizz28]

why inject ed to only get 30 mgs of prop a day

I'm guessing you are still talking about Sustanon....I think that question shows that you don't have a clue about either prop or Sust blends

[Johny-too-small]

johnny to small,

why inject ed to only get 30 mgs of prop a day

i never stated sust was good for a beginner, i just simply asked you to explain the "advice" you were giving out

your statements are flawed and uneducated

im done arguing with you

lol...

thanks for your wealth of knowledge on the subject.

[akh 1985]

Okay here is just a few for starters:

1) Injecting ED or EOD is required,sust was created so less injections would be needed
2) 4 blends of different esters causing blood plasma levels to be all over the map (potential negative sides and unpredictability)sust is supposed to help the user have more level blood levels
3) Sust flu test flu is common with every ester of test
4) not possible to alter or change the dose of any of the esters if sides or strengths are undesirable.
5) typically overpriced compared to a single ester.this has nothing to do with his question
6) Much harder to control frontloading.with sust fronloading is not needed
7) a newb can gain more weight if they go with a single longer ester test.this is ludacris, please show me some studies where evidence to back up this statement was found

God this list can go on. So please explain why its right?

yes he sounds like he knows his stuff

[akh 1985]

I'm guessing you are still talking about Sustanon....I think that question shows that you don't have a clue about either prop or Sust blends

he is the one who said sust contains 30 mg of prop

[Dizz28]

he is the one who said sust contains 30 mg of prop

it does contain 30mg prop...and?

[taiboxa]

johnny to small,

why inject ed to only get 30 mgs of prop a day

i never stated sust was good for a beginner, i just simply asked you to explain the "advice" you were giving out

your statements are flawed and uneducated

im done arguing with you

dont be quottin me and trying to drag me into some hormonal debate..
for once i just wanna be a bystander.. lol

[akh 1985]

you would inject ed just to get 30mg of prop?

he stated ed or eod injections are required.

that is not correct

[akh 1985]

dont be quottin me and trying to drag me into some hormonal debate..
for once i just wanna be a bystander.. lol

well since sust was created for less injections and you stated this right above his post i didnt think you would mind

[taiboxa]

you would inject ed just to get 30mg of prop?

he stated ed or eod injections are required.

that is not correct

well actually most would inject .5ml ED and they would get like 15mg of prop and 15mg of pprop.. so.. take in consideration the ester weight of the molecule negating ~30-40% and blamo ur getting like 18mg of raw test!

yeah i really dont know where im going w/ this.. i hate test.

[Dizz28]

well since sust was created for less injections and you stated this right above his post i didnt think you would mind

for HRT patients...doesn't work that way for BB'rs

[taiboxa]

well since sust was created for less injections and you stated this right above his post i didnt think you would mind

i dont really care.. i just didnt see how it fit in lol..
i have a couple of endo friends and they have their patients take sust 1ml E3Wk. so hey beats me