Junior Member
my first cycle
hey guys
here's what i'm gonna run next month:
week 1-8 sustanon 250 twise a week.
week 8-10 HCG 500i/u everyday
week 11-12 clomid 100mg everyday
week 13 clomid 50mg everyday
week 3-10 10mg nolva everyday
week 11-13 20mg nolva
what do you think guys? remember it's my first cycle
do I need to change anything? or everything is good to go?
thanxx
Last edited by new_user; 10-22-2007 at 02:54 PM.
Banned
no need for hcg with a very mild cycle like this.Originally Posted by new_user
hey guys
here's what i'm gonna run next month:
week 1-8 sustanon 250 twise a week.
week 8-10 HCG 500i/u everyday
week 11-12 clomid 100mg everyday
week 13 clomid 50mg everyday
week 3-10 10mg nolva everyday
week 11-13 20mg nolva
what do you think guys? remember it's my first cycle
do I need to change anything? or everything is good to go?
thanxx
i would run the sust @ 125mg eod and up it to 10-12 weeks.
no need to add nolva unless you start seeing sings of gyno,save nolva for pct with clomid.
what are your stats ?
age,hight,weight,bf,ect
Junior Member
one more thing, am I going to need hcg, nolva and clomid if I run 125mg sust. for 10-12 weeks?
Banned
YOU DONT NEED HCG FOR THIS CYCLE........
sust 125 mgs eod weeks 1-12
pct starts 16 days after last shot of sust.(NOLVA AND CLOMID)
BUT AS I SAID BEFOR YOUR NOT READY FOR A CYCLE YET
Junior Member
sorry nowdenlid ,i forgot to write my stats.
i'm 23 years old, 170 cm, 75 kg.
are yoy sure there's no need to run HCG and Nolva? I thought i could use them to start free test. again.
how can i run only 125 eod? i bought 250 sustanon, how can I split it?
Last edited by new_user; 10-24-2007 at 07:32 AM.
Banned
stats are not good for running a cycle.
open the amp of sust draw half ml into one barral and half ml into another ,shot one and save other for next shot.
no need for hcg m8 and as i said only use nolva is you start seeing sings of gyno.
whats your body fat?
how long you been lifting ?
post you diet up please >
Junior Member
why not?stats are not good for running a cycle.
thanx i'll do like you saiedopen the amp of sust draw half ml into one barral and half ml into another ,shot one and save other for next shot.
13%whats your body fat?
about a yearhow long you been lifting ?
thanx alot guys, more suggestions?
Extraordinarily Exorbitant
take 1/2 ml EOD and then you got 125mg EOD
HCG isnt usually used for a short cycle like this, but it can only help
Junior Member
thanx Consistency
i'll use HCG for one week, using 500 i/u, what do you think? or I don't need to use hcg at all?
Made Up Of Wires
If you can't get above 165 lbs. without steroids then something is seriously wrong with your diet and/or training.
How many calories do you eat every day? What did you weigh when you started lifting?
Regardless if you choose to follow advice or not, if you do a cycle with a shitty diet you're going to get shitty results. Steroids aren't magic, they need raw materials to form muscle from somewhere.. it just doesn't appear out of thin air. Muscle is built from the foods you eat, and if there isn't enough of it, you'll get shitty results (mostly water gain)
Last edited by AandF6969; 10-22-2007 at 03:57 PM.
Senior Member
you dont need hcg, I use it but only because I run a 19 nor every cycle. Save the hcg for a different cycle. Dont run nolva until pct unless you see signs of gyno but you pry wont. PCt nolva and clomid is all you need for a mild cycle like that. extend your cycle 10-12 wks like they said you will be happy you did.
Junior Member
thanx guys
but i still don't understand why am i not ready for any cycle?? i'm over 165lbs, i eat 4-6 meals ed. not so much fat, about 160 g protein, 300 g carbs.
by the way, I was 65 before i start the trening, and I didn't train everyday. i started to train everyday 4 months ago.
Made Up Of Wires
Once again, your diet is lacking... you can't build muscle without sufficient calories, plain and simple.
There's a reason you can't gain weight, and its not because youre not juicing.
75kg * 2.2lbs/kg = 165 lbs
According to this website http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
you need approximately 2800 calories per day to maintain your current bodyweight of 165 lbs. To gain weight, you should eat 500-1000 more than that. That would be a minimum of 3300 calories per day.
If you eat 160g protein and 300g carbs, you're only getting 1840 calories from those sources. Unless your diet consists of 162g of fats per day, there is no way you can be eating enough food to gain weight.
Your diet sucks, and steroids aren't going to help it. Sorry if it's not the answer you want to hear, it's just the truth.
Read this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=167282
Once again, I would highly recommend posting your diet in the diet forum for critique.
Last edited by AandF6969; 10-22-2007 at 04:10 PM.
Senior Member
add three true mass shakes on top of your 4-6 ed. they have eight hundred cals. a piece. your protein should be around 300 at that weight. you should take in at least 4500 cals ed to gain weight. if you have to eat some crap food chinese, pizza anything to boost your cals you can worry about cutting the fat after you have a decent base.
Made Up Of Wires
Those shakes are garbage... real food proteins and complex carbohydrates are much better.
Junior Member
thanx guys I appreciate your help
so, in fact, you're saying that i need to gain more weight, no need for hcg, and my cycle should be 10-12 weeks.
Banned
yes youy do need to gain more weight(not fat)
i know guys who are 175lbs and 7-8% bf and they look amazing and i would say they are ready to cycle.
Junior Member
500 mgs of sustanon for 8 weeks isn't going to do much at all
my first cycle- 20 mls of testosterone dopot - 10 weeks at 400 mgs- really didn't do all that much
I'd save it and stack it with something when you get your hands on it. i have found that with me- unless im taking dbol/ prop to jump start a cycle it usually takes about 4 weeks to even notice a difference with sustanon. There is prop in that sustanon but not enough for you to see very many resluts until about a month. So, after about 4 weeks when you do notice a difference you are only going to have about 5 or 6 weeks worth of decent gains..
its my opinion; im sure many are going to disagree though.. i'd save it and get more gear and concentrate on getting a little bit further naturally.
Junior Member
ok fsu1985
but what do you suggest? it's my first cycle, i don't want to use so much steroids. i've been told that using sus for tow months will be great.
what can I add to this cycle in your opnion?
Banned
i think the best cycle you could do is a cycle off food.here we go lets say
weeks 1-5000 4000 cals everyday.
weeks 1-5000 4 times per week in the gym
weeks 1-5000 10 hours sleep per day.
you should gain a good 30-35lbs on this cycle .
Junior Member
i got that, I have a whole month in front of me, i think that i can gain about 15 lbs. if not so i can wait another month. but i've got to know what am I going to run. coz it takes about a month or more to get the stoff that i need in the cycle. it's to difficult to find it here where i live.
that's why i'm askig now
Banned
15lbs in 1 month.
just forget the gear for now just keeping reading on here and in 6 months time you will be ready to make up your own mind on what to do .
good luck and take care.
Junior Member
how much weight do I really need to start a cycle? as said, i'm 165 now.15lbs in 1 month
just forget the gear for now just keeping reading on here and in 6 months time you will be ready to make up your own mind on what to do .
good luck and take care.
Banned
200lbs 10% body fat would be good.
i think you need to hit the gym and learn how to eat right before you go anywere near steroids.
in around 3 years time i would say you are good to go.
sorry if i sound harsh but i am only stating the truth. .
Junior Member
i know i know- your first cycle- but if you want it to be a "great" expeirience, this is what i would do. Run 500 mgs of sust for 12 weeks along with something like decca/eq/masteron/primo/anavar/winstrol at 350 mgs a week. anyone of those will help you increase the chances of you keeping your gains.
i look at steroids in three different classes
what are different types of steroids
3 types thats what you get if used alone : progestronic ones like adrol , deca , tren , so these 3 should never get stacked toghther as they are too similar , they are quite effective but cause terrible nut shrinkage so imposible to keep gains ,they need several months of pct to bring balls back so if useing these put them at the start of cycle and gradualy tapper or switch then to other AAS .. anti estrogen also totaly useless and ineffective with these as they dont convert to estrogen .. they have estrogenic activity by itself ,adrol is hit and miss item works wonder for some and not at all for others ..
DHT drived ones like winy , anavar , primo , masteron , etc noone make huge gain on so they still regarded as stack drug , they cause less nut shrinkage so more likly to keep gains
the rest fall in third class , Test , dball , EQ these are best only if you know how to use it .. they convert to estrogen which is easly blocked or stoped by anti estrogen , the nut shrinkage and gyno both can be controlled
i personally think you should use one of the 3rd class drugs with one other coupound of the other two classes to see optimum results reguardless if it is your 1st or 10th time taking steroids. good luck!
Anabolic Member
and fsu you have no idea what ur talking about...
Junior Member
i kinda agree with the dude with the arnold pic too.. lol/ but if you are doing everything you are saying you are doing than throw some sauce into the equation!
Anabolic Member
hes obviously not doin the right thing and should not be hittin the sauce right now... get cals up and gain some more weight... stick around the forum and gain some more knowledge(new user and fsu)!!!
Banned
i wouldnt do sust. on first cycle, do test e you will see much more gains or omnadren,
Junior Member
omnadren??? isn't it the same as sustanon?
why would I do omnadren but not sustanon? would you please explain?
Anabolic Member
i don't even wana get involved in this thread... there is so many wrong things going on here and i don't wana sit here for a half hour typing everything... the only thing is will say is don't cycle yet, wait till you gain more weight and get your diet in check...
Made Up Of Wires
I can't believe people are actually making cycle recommendations for this kid
Scammer
I completely agree...
1 year of lifting isn't enough to start with chemicals
Junior Member
calm down people
like said, I will not do any cycle untill I gain more weight.
all I need to know is what stoff do I need for a good cycle? to buy steroids here where I live, it can even take months to get what I want.
AandF6969
i'm reading the articles in diet questions forum, starting with your article
Anabolic Member
there you go now ur on the right track... do lots and lots of research on these forums and ull be amazed at what u learn, and what u shouldve been doin since you started working out.... good luck!
like said, I will not do any cycle untill I gain more weight.
all I need to know is what stoff do I need for a good cycle? to buy steroids here where I live, it can even take months to get what I want.
AandF6969
i'm reading the articles in diet questions forum, starting with your article
Junior Member
i'm already amazed
i have some more questions please, 1) why should I gain over 200lbs before starting any cycle? (i'm just wondering so I know the reason, not because I want to run the cycle now. i'll wait with the cycle i promise).
2) after reading what have been written, my new cycle should look like this:
week 1-12 sustanon 125 eod.
week 14 nolvadex 10mg ed and clomid 100mg ed.
week 15 nolvadex 10mg ed and clomid 50mg ed.
3. someone said at would be better if I use omnadren, is that right? why?
I read the article about omnadren ,at the homepage of this site, it's just like sustanon. why it would be better?
I know that I maybe bothered you by asking too much questions, but you are the only who I can trust when it comes to steroids.
Last edited by new_user; 10-23-2007 at 10:41 AM.
Banned
because you should have a natral base of good solid musale and a low body fat befor you use steroids,if you use now you will lose most of what you gain.i'm already amazed
i have some more questions please, 1) why should I gain over 200lbs before starting any cycle? (i'm just wondering so I know the reason, not because I want to run the cycle now. i'll wait with the cycle i promise).
2) after reading what have been written, my new cycle should look like this:
week 1-12 sustanon 125 eod.
week 14 nolvadex 10mg ed and clomid 100mg ed.
week 15 nolvadex 10mg ed and clomid 50mg ed.
3. someone said at would be better if I use omnadren, is that right? why?
I read the article about omnadren ,at the homepage of this site, it's just like sustanon. why it would be better?
I know that I maybe bothered you by asking too much questions, but you are the only who I can trust when it comes to steroids.
test is test it is just that all tests have a different ester attachet to it makeing it last longer/shorter in your system.
the cycle you have posted up is ok for fisrt cyle.
test e 500mgs ew spilt into 2 shots would be a better first cycle
maybe dbol to kick.
Junior Member
thanx, the most important for me is the pct, good to know that the cycle is good to run now (after editing).
and you're right about gaining weight. I have some friends used test. and dol, after finishing the cycle, they lost everything they gained. coz they were about 150lbs(worse than me
)
apreciate your help
Junior Member
[QUOTE=new_user;3681915]i'm already amazed
i have some more questions please, 1) why should I gain over 200lbs before starting any cycle? (i'm just wondering so I know the reason, not because I want to run the cycle now. i'll wait with the cycle i promise).
At the moment, you are underweight, you should increase to normal level.
To increase your muscle weight you need to eat alot and weightlifting.
Muscle needs testosteron to grow. Normally young people age 17-25 has alot natural testosteron in the body but without sufficient workout and food your abundance testosteron is useless. Why wasting with external TESTOSTERON ?
Junior Member
ive been workin out on and off in the past couple years, not eating right, and not training correctly... i did a ton of research this year on how to train corectly, got a(real) personal trainer, learned how to eat right.... 3 months ago he scaled me at 148 lbs with 9.5% body fat..
now let me tell you.. no joke.. with proper nutrition, training, in 3 months i am now 165 lbs 10% body fat. thats a clean 17lbs up.. it wasnt easy.. but let me tell you thats the reason why the bros on here tell you not to juice so early.. early in age or early in weight..
if i had gone on a cycle at 148 lbs.. i woulve gained the same amount as i did naturally... and it wouldve been a waste....all to dedication, commitment, timing, nutrition, and proper training... now if you get those on check i gurantee you will gain weight dramatically if not depending on how far you are from your natural peak.... its up too you.
by the way i want to jump on a cycle so bad.. but i am gaining a consistent amount of weight already... so it wouldnt make sense.. hope this was some help
Last edited by jnm; 10-23-2007 at 12:46 PM.
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