Rate this routine/cycle guys....tell me what you think

[TRAVELJOCKEY]

Ok guys tell me what you think, I have it figured out and want to start monday

Deca/Sus Cycle:

Deca-500mg a week for 10 weeks (400 mg the first two weeks)
Sust-750mg a week for 12 weeks (500mg the first two weeks)

Take the shots on mondays and Thursdays, when I wake up. I'll take them in the delts and quads.

Nolvadex 20mg EOD all 12 weeks

PCT- HCG immediately afterwards, armidex immediately afterwards, dermacrine sustain starting week 11, and then 3 weeks of clomid 20 days after end of cycle.

Execise Routine- One hour in the gym every other day, abs twice a week.
Day 1- Chest, Day 2- Off, Day 3- Back, Day 4- Off, Day 5- Shoulders Day 6- Off, Day 7- Arms, Day 8- Off, Day 9- Legs

Hopefully get 8 hours of sleep a day....at least that hopefully.

Diet-

4000 calories a day.
Protien- 350 grams/ 1540 calories
Fats- 72 grams/720 calories
Complex carbs- 435 grams/1740 calories

Supplements-
I will take two protien shakes a day one before the gym and one afterwards. Optimum whey before and then Muscle Milk mixed with Dried egg white protien powder afterwards. (<---sounds freaky might change it up)

Muscletech's Aplodan

Vitamins-
GNC Vitapak
Fish Oil
Milk Thistle
Flax seed Oil
Banner Amino Acid

[TRAVELJOCKEY]

Also do you guys think it is stupid to take HCG during week 4 and 8 also, to keep some life in my balls?

[snoogans]

Well i was gonna run a Test E and Deca cycle and use Nolva incase of gyno but i was told to not touch the nolva while on deca because it can actually make you more prone to gyno to just use arimidex .5mg eod, but using any anti-e while on cycle holds back gains, so i would just use the arimidex if i saw any symptoms and what not... As for the workout ive never seen it done that way but i workout 4 days ina row and 3 days off in a row and have seen excellent gains....

[Baron]

I dunno about working each bodypart once every 8 days. That seems like a lot of time for recovery. Personally I would make little strength gains on a program like that.

[Baron]

Wait a min I just noticed its every 9 days. Then you probably take a day off after day 9 right? That means day 11 is the next chest day? I would definetly change workout programs.

[TRAVELJOCKEY]

Well i was gonna run a Test E and Deca cycle and use Nolva incase of gyno but i was told to not touch the nolva while on deca because it can actually make you more prone to gyno to just use arimidex .5mg eod, but using any anti-e while on cycle holds back gains, so i would just use the arimidex if i saw any symptoms and what not... As for the workout ive never seen it done that way but i workout 4 days ina row and 3 days off in a row and have seen excellent gains....

You know that would make sense..i only figured the nolva into this because I was using dbol last time also. There really is no reason for me to use it unless I see symptons I guess, and rarely do I see them on test/deca cycle. I'll hold back on the Nolva...good catch. Thanks man

What is your workout broken down?? I need something new, and I need it for mass!

[TRAVELJOCKEY]

Wait a min I just noticed its every 9 days. Then you probably take a day off after day 9 right? That means day 11 is the next chest day? I would definetly change workout programs.

My problem was i was doing 6 days on one day off....I need more rest. I'mlooking for huge mass gains which is why I spaced it out so much....heavy and hard. What do you suggest...i'm posting cause im looking for new and better options. Anything helps..thanks man!

[godkilla]

routine needs work. your spending a whole workout on chest and then squeezing quads, hams and calves into another. put delts and chest together and dont take a day off after arms would be my suggestion. so something like this.

chest/delts
off
back
off
arms
legs
off

[snoogans]

You know that would make sense..i only figured the nolva into this because I was using dbol last time also. There really is no reason for me to use it unless I see symptons I guess, and rarely do I see them on test/deca cycle. I'll hold back on the Nolva...good catch. Thanks man

What is your workout broken down?? I need something new, and I need it for mass!

My workout was like this for a month:

Day1: chest, delts

Day2: Legs

Day3: Back

Day4: Arms, Abs and other crap lol

Here's some stuff to build bulk:

Quads -
Squats, Leg press, Hack squats, Lunges

Hams-
leg curls, single leg curls, stiff leg dead lifts

Chest-
Barbell bench press(flat & incline), D-bell Bench press(flat & incline), macine press

Back-
Chins, pulldowns, d-bell rows, t-bar rows, cable rows, deadlifts

Biceps-
All curls with barbells & dumbells

Triceps-
Close grip bench press, cable pressdowns, dips, d-bell kickbacks

Delts- Be careful with exercises where you press above your head !!!
Seated barbell presses, seated d-bell presses, d-bell lateral raises, reverse flyes,

Calfs-
All raises

Save all the other pointless exercises for the posers. You don't need all that other shit to get big.... Now i just get the above and mix up my routine every week for muscle confusion, your muscle can't get used to the same thing or it'll never grow... Btw this is what my trainer told me to do and he's a pretty big dude lol so it works...

[Baron]

routine needs work. your spending a whole workout on chest and then squeezing quads, hams and calves into another. put delts and chest together and dont take a day off after arms would be my suggestion. so something like this.

chest/delts
off
back
off
arms
legs
off

My routine is similar to this one.

[powerlifter18]

good cycle and best of luck to ya

[TRAVELJOCKEY]

My workout was like this for a month:

Save all the other pointless exercises for the posers. You don't need all that other shit to get big.... Now i just get the above and mix up my routine every week for muscle confusion, your muscle can't get used to the same thing or it'll never grow... Btw this is what my trainer told me to do and he's a pretty big dude lol so it works...

I pretty much do all the exercises you posted....but i'm just curious why everyone seems to combine delts with chest??

I need a whole seperate day to do delts/traps because I beat the shit out of them.

This sounds interesting to combine them, I might try it just to see what happens. How many exercises/sets do you do for each mucle group???

[TRAVELJOCKEY]

routine needs work. your spending a whole workout on chest and then squeezing quads, hams and calves into another. put delts and chest together and dont take a day off after arms would be my suggestion. so something like this.

chest/delts
off
back
off
arms
legs
off

Sounds like something I will try...so basically you go back to working the same body part every 7 days?? Good Shit

[TRAVELJOCKEY]

good cycle and best of luck to ya

Thnaks man...appreciate it.

[snoogans]

I pretty much do all the exercises you posted....but i'm just curious why everyone seems to combine delts with chest??

I need a whole seperate day to do delts/traps because I beat the shit out of them.

This sounds interesting to combine them, I might try it just to see what happens. How many exercises/sets do you do for each mucle group???

That's because when you workout your chest you also workout your delts so people just mix those 2 up, as for reps and exercises:

Chest: bench press 5 sets 5 reps on each bench going up in weight every set, incline and flat dumbell press 3 sets 8 reps, forward lean dips 3 sets max reps...

Delts, shoulders w/e lol: side lateral dumbell 3 sets 12 reps, front lateral dumbell 3 sets 12 reps, military press 3 sets 8 reps....

Legs: leg extentions 2 sets 12 reps, squats 5 sets 5 reps going up in weight after each set, leg curls 3 sets 8 reps, heavy barbell lunges 3 sets 12 reps, seated calf raises 3 sets 12 reps, standing calf raises 3 sets 12 reps....

Back: pullups 3 sets max reps, pulldowns 3 sets 8 reps, cable rows 3 sets 8 reps, deadlift 5 sets 5 reps going up in weight after every set, shrugs 5 sets 5 reps, backward flys 3 sets 12 reps....

Arms: streight barbell curls 3 sets 8 reps, close grip bench 3 sets 12 reps, dumbell curls 3 sets 10 reps, skull crushers 3 sets 12 reps, prechur curls 3 sets 10 reps, cable pulldowns 3 sets 12 reps, hammer curls 3 sets 12 reps, for my forearms i just do what i can, i use the rope thingy, the grip machine, wrist curls everything....

that's basically what i do, sometimes i mix it up with the reps but yea that's it.

[Chuck_R]

Hey TravelJ, the Sust needs to be taken every other day for best results 250mg eod, least ways that's what I was told. Good Luck

[TRAVELJOCKEY]

That's because when you workout your chest you also workout your delts so people just mix those 2 up, as for reps and exercises:

Chest: bench press 5 sets 5 reps on each bench going up in weight every set, incline and flat dumbell press 3 sets 8 reps, forward lean dips 3 sets max reps...

Delts, shoulders w/e lol: side lateral dumbell 3 sets 12 reps, front lateral dumbell 3 sets 12 reps, military press 3 sets 8 reps....

Legs: leg extentions 2 sets 12 reps, squats 5 sets 5 reps going up in weight after each set, leg curls 3 sets 8 reps, heavy barbell lunges 3 sets 12 reps, seated calf raises 3 sets 12 reps, standing calf raises 3 sets 12 reps....

Back: pullups 3 sets max reps, pulldowns 3 sets 8 reps, cable rows 3 sets 8 reps, deadlift 5 sets 5 reps going up in weight after every set, shrugs 5 sets 5 reps, backward flys 3 sets 12 reps....

Arms: streight barbell curls 3 sets 8 reps, close grip bench 3 sets 12 reps, dumbell curls 3 sets 10 reps, skull crushers 3 sets 12 reps, prechur curls 3 sets 10 reps, cable pulldowns 3 sets 12 reps, hammer curls 3 sets 12 reps, for my forearms i just do what i can, i use the rope thingy, the grip machine, wrist curls everything....

that's basically what i do, sometimes i mix it up with the reps but yea that's it.

Were you going for mass with that rouine??

I think I might hold off on this cycle now, because everything I thought I knew seems to be shit lol.

I never did more than 4 sets (including warmup) ...I would try to get bewen 6-10 reps depending how heavy I was going.

[TRAVELJOCKEY]

Hey TravelJ, the Sust needs to be taken every other day for best results 250mg eod, least ways that's what I was told. Good Luck

Thanks Chuck, I'm thinking I'll split it as such;

Monday-250mg Sust/ 200 deca

Wednesday- 250mg sust/ 200 deca

Friday- 250mg sust/ 100 deca


Then sometime after week 2 I'll mold in 500iu of HCG a week somewhere

[TRAVELJOCKEY]

That's because when you workout your chest you also workout your delts so people just mix those 2 up, as for reps and exercises:

Chest: bench press 5 sets 5 reps on each bench going up in weight every set, incline and flat dumbell press 3 sets 8 reps, forward lean dips 3 sets max reps...

Delts, shoulders w/e lol: side lateral dumbell 3 sets 12 reps, front lateral dumbell 3 sets 12 reps, military press 3 sets 8 reps....

Legs: leg extentions 2 sets 12 reps, squats 5 sets 5 reps going up in weight after each set, leg curls 3 sets 8 reps, heavy barbell lunges 3 sets 12 reps, seated calf raises 3 sets 12 reps, standing calf raises 3 sets 12 reps....

Back: pullups 3 sets max reps, pulldowns 3 sets 8 reps, cable rows 3 sets 8 reps, deadlift 5 sets 5 reps going up in weight after every set, shrugs 5 sets 5 reps, backward flys 3 sets 12 reps....

Arms: streight barbell curls 3 sets 8 reps, close grip bench 3 sets 12 reps, dumbell curls 3 sets 10 reps, skull crushers 3 sets 12 reps, prechur curls 3 sets 10 reps, cable pulldowns 3 sets 12 reps, hammer curls 3 sets 12 reps, for my forearms i just do what i can, i use the rope thingy, the grip machine, wrist curls everything....

that's basically what i do, sometimes i mix it up with the reps but yea that's it.

do you do everything in that order also??

[YouAintKnow330]

Workouts a little odd