my 2nd cycle

[davidinvienna]

g'day fellas!

been a while since i ve been on here but certainly good to be back.

i m about to start my 2nd cycle in about 2 weeks time and wanted some feedback on the actual cycle as well as some input on where to find some info on pre cycle priming (how it works, how long one should run in pre cycle etc)

1st cycle was a straight 12weeks Test E 500mg/wk - 1st week frontload of a 1000mg plus Halo at 40mg/wk for the 1st 6weeks. gains were good, kept bout 5kgs of it, sides were minimal (used Adex throughout, added Nolva for PCT). somehow had the feeling though that gains could have been slightly better if i had run the cycle a little longer - what you reckon?

this time round i m planning on 16weeks Test E at 500mg/wk, again frontloading a 1000mg for the 1st week, accompanied by EQ at 400mg/wk for 14 weeks ... Adex throughout, Nolva added for PCT.

ah yes - my current stats:

29yo / 86kg / 16% bf

lookin forward to your replies.

cheers
dave

Edit: was thinkin bout throwin in some Var at 50-80mg/day as well ... good idea? if yes, run it throughout whole 16weeks?

[davidinvienna]

anyone with a feedback gents?

[Johny-too-small]

Bump the EQ to 600 mg/ew. If you want to include var, run it for 8 weeks max. You can choose to kickstart the cycle with it or end it. If you use var at the end, run it from week 11-18 (right up to pct).

[davidinvienna]

looks like that then:

wk 1 1000mg Test E / 600mg EQ
wk 2 - 16 500mg Test E
wk 2 - 14 600 mg EQ
wk 1 - 8 50-80mg Var/day

[Johny-too-small]

Looks good.

I was in Vienna last July. I loved it...my favorite city in Europe. I'll bet a gym membership is $$$. I looked the whole time I was there and never saw one. Bitte!

[AandF6969]

Goals?

[davidinvienna]

@johnny - gime a shout mate when u come over again .... be happy to point u in the rite direction regards gym.

@Aand - strength and quality mass

[davidinvienna]

'nother Q - if I were to swap the EQ for Tren E - heard / read so many great things in terms of results bout Tren tha I m givin it some serious thought - at how many mgs/wk would you advise runnin it along the Test E and for how long?

[Johny-too-small]

Have you ran tren before?

[davidinvienna]

nope - that would be my 1st .... but the hype about it and the results everyone keeps writing about have me seriously intrigued

[davidinvienna]

any more feedback on the Tren E - how long to run it along a 16weeker of Test E and at what dose?

[Johny-too-small]

Tren is very powerful, and for many, the sides can be too much. Would you be against running tren ace? If you have sides that are too strong you can drop the ace and the sides will end soon, but with enan, you're looking at a long time of suffering.

[davidinvienna]

I was simply thinkin Tren E due to the fact that I am runnin Test E. Plus quite a few ppl I know who've tried both reported they had far less sides on Tren E than on Ace ... but I guess that really boils down to the individual.

Providing it's ok to run Tren Ace along a 16weeker of Test E - would you still go for the "classic" of 75mg eod for weeks 1-8?

lookin forward to your reply

[Johny-too-small]

Yes, youre correct. People who run tren also can reduce its harsh sides by lowering their Test dose.

If you run tren ace EOD, Id run it 100mg, imo.

[davidinvienna]

great! thanks for the feedback mate

[Consistency]

you'll get less sides if you shoot the tren ed as opposed to eod.

Also if you run EQ, just match the dose with the test, so thats 500mg a week. 600mg a week is a lot for someone who has never run it before

[Johny-too-small]

Also if you run EQ, just match the dose with the test, so thats 500mg a week. 600mg a week is a lot for someone who has never run it before

I disagree, imo, 600mg is minimum for a first run with EQ. Just my opinion, however.

[Consistency]

I disagree, imo, 600mg is minimum for a first run with EQ. Just my opinion, however.

my first go was with 400mg and saw nice results. Later I ran it a 600mg and of course saw better results, but if I did 600mg the first time, then I would have run 700-800mg the 2nd and by the third time who knows.

Your suggesting that he runs over 1.6 grams of gear for a 2nd cycle thats a lot in my opinion

[Johny-too-small]

my first go was with 400mg and saw nice results. Later I ran it a 600mg and of course saw better results, but if I did 600mg the first time, then I would have run 700-800mg the 2nd and by the third time who knows.

Your suggesting that he runs over 1.6 grams of gear for a 2nd cycle thats a lot in my opinion

What you run and at what dose you decide is your choice. Just because you ran some anabolic at "X" amount on one cycle does not automatically mean you have to up the dose on its next run. I have never gone above 500 mgs of test on any cycle and I dont plan on it, either.

Second, Im not suggesting that the poster should run 1.6 grams of gear. Im giving him my opinion on the independent questions that he is asking. He never said he was going to run all the agents mentioned in this thread. However, I guess 1.6 grams is out of the question but not 1.4?

[davidinvienna]

hey guys - thanks for all your feedback. the options i am lookin at currently - regs compounds used and amount used - are as follows:

16 weeks of Test E at 500mgs/wk with a 1000mgs frontload plus 14 weeks of EQ at 600mgs/wk

16 weeks of Test E as above plus 12 weeks of Tren E at 400mgs/wk

16 weeks of Test E as above plus 8 weeks of Tren Ace at 300mgs/wk

so in any case i wouldn't b going above a total of 1.1g/wk and due to the great results everyone's reporting on Tren i have a tendency to favour the idea of runnin one of the abovementioned Test E / Tren combos.