I was reading some articles that he answered and noticed that he said the opposite about insulin.
Here is where i am confused!
Insulin
Hi Bill,
I had to write this in response to your comment about insulin in your web magazine where you were asked if insulin is an effective anabolic on its own. I understand if you were trying to downplay the effects of insulin so as not to glamorize something that can be dangerous…
No, I would not state falsehoods for such a purpose.
…but insulin by itself does just as good a job as steroids at putting on a lot of muscle. From experience I had no roids (when I used to do them) so a friend of mine told me about insulin. I used 10 IU of Humilin N and 10 IU Humilin R as soon as I got up and 10 more IU of just the R after training. Body weight shot up 20lbs in four weeks and bodyfat stayed the same.
Forgive me if I consider that anecdotal. I know many people who tell me that their bodyfat is the same, while in fact, they obviously have gotten a lot fatter.
Now Oliver Starr has reported something similar to what you are saying, except with strength gains and very definite muscle gains. So I cannot say you must be wrong. However, it is not clear to me that insulin was the only drug he was using at the time. Without a definite statement that that was the case, I personally would consider it unlikely that that was the only drug.
I didn't get noticeable strength gains.
Danny
Therefore, there could not have been much gain in contractile protein in the muscles, now could there have been? Whereas with steroids, even with avoidance of water retention, you would see a strength increase. So I don’t know how you can consider this experience to be equally effective as steroids.
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Insulin
Bill,
If I take the Humulin-R, how much is needed to mature muscle cells?
I wouldn't take over 10 IU at a time myself.
How many carbs should I take, how much protein?
I don't agree with the Duchaine theory of 10 g of carbs per IU of insulin. I tried insulin (which is legal to do) and did fine with only 4-5 g carbs plus 6 g protein per IU. Oliver Starr did fine with very low carbs and a lot of protein.
I would surely keep protein intake at least 1 g per pound of bodyweight, or 2 g per lb. if on a substantial cycle.
I am a 265 pound bodybuilder and compete around 225. I am 5’8". Also, I can get growth hormone - the new Protropin. How much should be taken?
Dennis
GH is problematic in that 1 IU twice per day is the most that has been found to be generally safe medically, but while that may be of long term benefit to older individuals it surely does not give any rapid gains. 2 IU twice per day seems to be the minimum for substantial gains, but prolonged use can be expected to lead to side effects, some of which are irreversible.
I personally, if I had a prescription, would only use it at 2 IU twice per day for a limited number of weeks per year, not on a continuous basis.
It's worth considering that even that relatively low dose (by bodybuilding standards) will cost at least $12 per day and perhaps much more. Its cost effectiveness, then, is not as good as that of AAS.
Ok....So does insulin give you good gains or not???
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