Short cycle advice

[tadpoleboyy]

Im considering running a short cycle, 6-8 weeks. What would be the most cost effective way to do it in terms of what aas to use (not asking for prices)? Im looking to acheive modest results. Or will this just be a waste of my time?

[redz]

what are modest results? you want to gaan mass or get more ripped? or both? what are your stats and cycle history? are you training for a sport?

[IM MACHO]

what are modest results? you want to gaan mass or get more ripped? or both? what are your stats and cycle history? are you training for a sport?

list the above... and guys here will be more willing to help u out!!

[taiboxa]

give us a cycle layout bub.

[tadpoleboyy]

Ive done two cycles before, one all dbol to get a taste of aas, and my last one was about 3-4 months ago and included eq 600wk,test c 250wk, and dbol. I gained about 30 lbs, and kept 25 of it, along with a billion stretch marks. Basically i want to gain mass. I weigh about 186. I lift as a hobby/stress & anger management/obsession, don't play sports any more, but still enjoy physical activities (rock climbing, speed-bag, biking, etc.). I ride my bike almost everyday to class, but other that that i dont do cardio, and still have 10% or less bf (ive always been lean) .

Im not really familiar with short esters at all other than what ive read. But it seems that an oral (probably dbol) and a short ester would be the best choice. Perhaps test p or tren. I buy locally, and im not sure i can acquire tren. Also, although i have no problem with the pin, it by far is not my favorite activity, so i want to avoid every day injections, i can do eo tho. I would prefer to use a long ester and frontload heavily, as these are what is most available to me, although i have never front loaded and am not sure if the sides would be worse doing so as opposed to using short esters. I would like to gain around 10 lbs. AND my diet is fine, otherwise i would have lost all my gains from my previous cycle. So basically what i am asking, based on other members prior experience, what is the best way to go about this, and how to make it the most affordable. Is 4 weeks too short? would 6 weeks be better? lemme know some personal experiences. I failed to find much on short cycles using the search, perhaps i am using the wrong keywords.

[fdrx7man]

tren a and prop for the man then! great overall combo!

[admirals56]

tren a and prop for the man then! great overall combo!

second that

[tadpoleboyy]

i have read that test e is the cheapest test available. Any truth to this? Would frontloading test e and injection e3d be a good option in terms of blood level stability? Im pretty fond of test...

[10nispro]

Prices aren't discussed. And it all depends on your source. Frontloading isn't done by everyone, but to answer you question, it will allow your test levels to raise faster, which inturn will allow results to be noticed earlier.

[fdrx7man]

however if your doing test e, at 6 weeks its just starting to kick in when you decide to get off of it.. so gains will be minimal.. if your going to do test e please run it 10 weeks or longer.

[admirals56]

well thats why he is considering frontloading so its at its peak bye week 2

[tadpoleboyy]

i cant find muich personal logs or info about short cycles, other than they are less suppressive, dont desensitize receptors as much, and are less harsh on cholesterol profiles. No one here has ran short cycles with success?

[jr292]

short cycles call for short esters test prop and anavar stuff like that

[fdrx7man]

i understand about front loading but still no guarentee its on 100% by the 2nd week.. i mean it could be but id say 3rd week just to be safe.. and still that doesnt give it much time to work.. id rather front load and go 8-10 weeks.. but thats just me.

prop is the one id go with for 6 weeks

[taiboxa]

short cycles call for short esters test prop and anavar stuff like that

nope, you can effectively run a short burst cycle or blitz cycle w/ long esters as they are in your system practically immediatly and if you frontload accordingly you can bypass the 2-3week build up and get on w/ it.

[fdrx7man]

nope, you can effectively run a short burst cycle or blitz cycle w/ long esters as they are in your system practically immediatly and if you frontload accordingly you can bypass the 2-3week build up and get on w/ it.

Ill be damned!! could ya give us a demo cycle on how to do that propperly if ya dont mind.. always good to learn more new stuff!

[taiboxa]

marcus had a good thread on it..
but something i have ran went like this

trt dosing
wk 1 Front loaded TrenE: 900mg monday and again on weds- then 300mg EOD till end of week 5
ran halo at a dose im not going to mention on open forums for 6 weeks
continued TRT dosing

something along those lines

[fdrx7man]

hmm ill be darn.. thanks for the info! halo thats some stuff id like to find one day!

so guys i stand corrected front loading can help out on short cycles with long esters!

[tadpoleboyy]

so now im wondering, what will be the most bang for my buck (most gains) and least amount of sides-

test 500 wk

or

test 250wk and tren 75 ed?

[taiboxa]

so now im wondering, what will be the most bang for my buck (most gains) and least amount of sides-

test 500 wk

or

test 250wk and tren 75 ed?

2nd one for sure will give you best gains hands down..shit i'd say your gains would be 300% compared to what you would get w/ the first one.

sides.. well probably less w/ the first suggestion lol since tren is pretty ruff even at low doses.

[AleX-69]

to be perfectly honest, i have indeed run many short cycles. Maybe you already read a thread from me i wrote some time ago concering this topic.

You can achieve good results using the short cycle approach. Tren and TestP are good options. I still think you will keep more (percentage) wise from a short cycle than from a longer cycle,....

BUT most people think they can run short cycles back to back (6on 6off 6on). This is NOT the case. You need sufficient time off between short cycles. In the past year i researched the problems a short cycle approach might bring, and after reading several studies it became clear to me that stressing the regulatory mechanisms of you on body with constant hormone changes is an even greater health concern than say colesterol levels etc.. In fact stress on those regulatory mechanisms can promote cancer an similar diseases.

Therefor nowadays i recommend either short cycles (6-8 weeks) with appropiate time off (12-16 weeks) OR longer cycles (12-32weeks) with appropiate off time. Moreover i no longer use orals...

rg

[tadpoleboyy]

yea it will be short, and it will be a while before i cycle again. This is kinda just a "its about to get warm so i can wear only a teeshirt and no coat" cycle. How can ya show if your wearing 2 sweatshrirts and a winter jacket, ya know? Im also wondering, would deca give any decent results compared to tren? I have never used deca, and dont know many people that have locally.

[admirals56]

npp instead of deca

[tadpoleboyy]

alright ive decided to keep it simple at 600mg/wk test e and 20mg/day dbol. Now comes the next question - pct and ancillaries...
Would it be effective to take letro throughout the cycle at a somewhat substandard dose, and then increase that dose to .25mg /day for PCT? Do i even need the tamox or clomid, or would this be feasable? Or should i run a different AI during the cycle and something else after? keep in mind lion has a sale... and im in college... I also have a very tiny bit of gyno that could use some letro-ing

[meathead320]

Im considering running a short cycle, 6-8 weeks. What would be the most cost effective way to do it in terms of what aas to use (not asking for prices)? Im looking to acheive modest results. Or will this just be a waste of my time?

Test-Prop.

does not shut you down much either, little conversion to E2.

500mg-700mg EW woudl be fine. But you have to inject 50-100mg each day.

Could run it with Winny too.

PCT: 3 weeks nolva 50mg ED + 1 last week of arimidex at 0.5mg ED

That is what I would do far a 6-8 week cycle with modest results.

[The WeaPoN]

i just got of a short 6wk cycle gained 5.5kg, and keep all the gains from it and have been of for over a month and a half now, i prefer short cycles of test prop,

[sportmuaythai]

Im considering running a short cycle, 6-8 weeks. What would be the most cost effective way to do it in terms of what aas to use (not asking for prices)? Im looking to acheive modest results. Or will this just be a waste of my time?

I'd suggest Week1-6 Test E
Week1&2 Test Prop
Week 7&8 Test prop
I believe test prop is better than front load of test E.. Letro is a very good idea. Do test p mon-wed-fri, and test E mon-fri. This way you can load both test prop and test E in same syringe. Week3-6 will give you a break from wednesday injection. With test prop for the last two weeks, you can start PCTSunday, after last friday shot. I bloat too much on dbol, despite using letro.

[tadpoleboyy]

ok so ive been doing a little reading and price review. I am really unfamiliar with proviron, i have only used clomid, tamox and letro. but i am wondering, if i were to go
1-8 test 600. wk
1-6 dbol 20-30/day

Would proviron at 25mg/day the whole cycle and a few weeks into pct (plus tamox) be better than using letro the whole cycle and into pct (plus tamox)? I have read that it makes test more effective by a variety of ways. Is 25mg enough? i will have tamox on hand in case.

[Crest]

you should look at test with a shorter ester than test e

im running omnadren weeks 1-8, 500 mg per week
and dbol weeks 1-8, 30 mg a day next month

[MindBomb]

you should look at test with a shorter ester than test e

im running omnadren weeks 1-8, 500 mg per week
and dbol weeks 1-8, 30 mg a day next month

omna is not shorter ester. it's blended ester. longer ester is still present.

[Crest]

that aside, it should still kick in alot faster than test e.

[tadpoleboyy]

I am not afraid of needles, but injecting is not my favorite activity. I will admit that i am not willing to inject ED. I would inevitably end up missing a bunch of pokes too. I am willing to do EOD, preferably E3D tho.

[Schmidty]

I had run a lil cycle that was cut short cause i left for the army but it was workn great, blood pressure was high as fvck though.
Test Prop 100mg ed
Tren Ace 75mg ed
Dbol 30mg ed. I was feeln and look good.
I came home for xmas and did a killer lil 2weeker. I front loaded the cycle but it was
Test Prop 150mg ed
Tren Ace 100mg ed
Winny 50mg ed Honesly I have never looked better in my fvckn life. But then I had to go back to AIT,BFT and they starved my ass. Im tired of lil cycles and poken ed, im on a long cycle now and feeln pretty good.

[hunter7]

i did a ten week test cycle at 450 and gained 12 lbs and had no problems during pct with nolva and a T booster...my longer cycles i lost some weight after cycle and pct took a lot longer

i would do test E 10 weeks with a 4 week 25 mg dbol kickstart + pct

[tadpoleboyy]

yea thats what im thinking, maybe not 10, most likely 8-9 weeks with test e @ 600/wk. And 30 mg dbol. I think im going to go for lion letro buy 2 get one free deal and run the letro a bit after my cycle to kill this smidgen on gyno i have.

[in_nujerz]

you should look at test with a shorter ester than test e

im running omnadren weeks 1-8, 500 mg per week
and dbol weeks 1-8, 30 mg a day next month

hey maybe its just me but i dont think thats a good idea, dbol is very liver toxic and eight weeks is quite a long time

[Noobie4LIFE]

8 weeks of dbol! his liver will blow up and he will die.

Actually no at 30mgs nothing would go wrong. Hell even with 200mgs.

[shifty_git]

hey maybe its just me but i dont think thats a good idea, dbol is very liver toxic and eight weeks is quite a long time

8 weeks at 30mg isnt a killer amount of time.... taking some kind of liver support would make it easy

[Crest]

i know loads of people that run it longer, iv run it for 6 weeks before with no probs.

ill post up afterwards to let you all know i didnt shit out my own liver