Do I take the plunge?

[aer_vlad]

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[admirals56]

id say go for it. u say you have your diet down pct is in line and uve done alot of research. you no the consicuencis and thats all you need to tell me. plus you are over 18 and old enough to make your own decisions. id say go for it

[oneshot]

Im in a similar situation as you so i say go for it. Thats a little milder cycle than im jumping in with but i cant blame you one bit. good luck and post your progress.

[Kennedy]

Well bro maybe posting your diet and workout routine we can help you jump your barrier. Are you taking any OTC supplements?

[Kennedy]

Bump for a good thread and other comments.

[hobbs9963]

I agree with you Kennedy. 5,000 cals a day?

[Kennedy]

Dude at 250g per day of protein that only makes up 1000 kcals of your diet NO WONDER

Post up your diet in the diet forum before using any AAS

[hugovsilva]

When you say "probably" when refering to your diet, it makes me suspicious. When I plan my diet there is no "probably", i know exactly how much of what I eat, and I think you should start by there.

You have obviously done your research (rare these days) and I congratulate you for that. In terms of knowledge and attitude towards AAS I feel you are ready for a first cycle but with you being 19 I don't feel confortable supporting your decision.

Do this... try removing the "probably" from your diet and see what happens. If nothing changes then do your cycle.

[aer_vlad]

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[hobbs9963]

A jar of pb a week! DAMMMM! You're awful young and i know you hate hearing it, but it's true. On the otherhand, you sound like you're ready and you are going to do it i believe. You're too fed up with your current (and longstanding) situation. If you think you have to i would say test e @ 400mgs every week for 8 weeks shot twice a week. Say mondays and thursdays. See if that helps any. Good luck.

[DMARTIN30]

what would be a good 1st cycle if ur looking to cut up but gain mass to would test stacked with eq be alright

[DNA]

Wait.
Your first cycle could and will most likely be the best one. I am glad I waited until my late 20s.

I know you have heard this before but your body is already filled with way more test compared to guys my age..... until next month. LOL

Its been almost 2 years off and I am happy to return. Its like the sercet weapon you wanna wait to use...

I you do decide to juice go for enanth not cyp. And defiantly not prop because of the everyday requirements that can be hard for a newbie.

Good luck!
my .02

[Njord]

what would be a good 1st cycle if ur looking to cut up but gain mass to would test stacked with eq be alright

Come on man, start you own thread. Don't be a hi-jacker

[aer_vlad]

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[DMARTIN30]

sorry new at all this

[aer_vlad]

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[hobbs9963]

Do you really eat that much? You're kiliing me with the peanut butter man. You eat more than i do and i'm 235lbs. Forget the boiled eggs and scramble all with cheese. Eat a bagel instead of toast. Throw out the soup, lower the veggies to one can and eat more pasta. Drink a carb drink prior to workout. Drop the 1645 pb sandwich and go to Burger King and get a Double Whopper with cheese and fries. Drop the2000 pb and have that protien shake with vit d milk. That's just what i would do.

[aer_vlad]

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[hugovsilva]

Thanks for your reply and incite. Yes, I struggle with the age thing and also if I've reached my potential. But from what I can see, I don't have the potential I wish I had. Perhaps I'm just blinded by vanity and "get big quick" mentality.
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Okay, here is my meal plan. It isn't 100% accurate, so there is the "probably" factor, but it's close. I can draw up a perfect day to day eating schedule over a week though if need be.

This is what I usually eat everyday (almost 90% Monday-Friday). It's hard to get the Lunch/Dinner right, as they serve different main portions, but usually consist of beef, turkey, chicken, or pork (as I have listed below). I may skip a milk once or sometimes I use only once slice of bread on my PB & J's... So yes, that's why I say I get roughly 4600 cals.

Please feel free to make any corrections (including actual substances consumed lol and numbers of cals, protein).

0430
Whey Protein Shake (24g)
0600
Breakfast:
2 eggs, scrambled
2 eggs, boiled
2 cups, oatmeal
1 cup hashbrowns
1 slice toast (whole wheat bread)
1 bowl of fresh fruits: usually pears, peaches, cantelope, honeydew, grapes
1 pint 2% milk
0900
Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwich, 5 Tbsp PB
1 pint 2% milk
where is the protein?
1200
Lunch
2 slices pork, beef, chicken, turkey
2 slices pork, beef, chicken, turkey
*4 slices total, including two different mean selections
*can include spaghetti, sloppy joe etc. in which I get 2 portions
1 slice whole wheat bread
2 cups soup, usually ItalianWedding Soup
2 cups veggies (broccoli, caul***ower, spinach etc.)
1 bannana
1 pint 2% milk
1345
Pre-workout
Whey Protein Shake (24g)
You need carbs here
1545
Post-workout
Whey Protein Shake (30g)
Casein Protein Shake (23g)
Carb Powder (50g)
1645
Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwich, 5 Tbsp PB
1 pint 2% milk
Where is the protein?
1800
2 slices pork, beef, chicken, turkey
2 slices pork, beef, chicken, turkey
*4 slices total, including two different mean selections
*can include spaghetti, sloppy joe etc. in which I get 2 portions
1 slice whole wheat bread
2 cups soup, usually Italian Wedding Soup
2 cups veggies (broccoli, caul***ower, spinach etc.)
1 bannana
1 pint 2% milk
2000
6 Tbsp Peanut Butter
Where is the protein?
2130
Casein Protein Shake (23g)
Include some fat

Macros (approximately):
Protein: 371g
Calories: 5300
Carbohydrates: N/A (I feel I get enough of these by the amount of bread I eat, but I can calculate them if need be)

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Current Supplements:
Optimum Nutrition Whey Protein
Optimum Nutrition Casein Protein
Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men (Multi-vitamin)
Optimum Nutrition Fish Oil
Optimum Nutrition Glyco-Maize (Carb Powder)
Gaspari Nutrition Size-On (Creatine)
Gaspari Nutrition Superpump 250 (Stim)
Molecular Nutrition X-Factor

I sometimes feel I'm top heavy with the supplements, but I just splurged recently (X Factor, Glyco-Maize, Casein). I'm reaching for straws to throw on some weight. Not to mention this is costing me an arm and a leg...

In red.


I just focused the more obvious ones. You need to split your protein intake.

Fat is an important macro on your diet and you don't account for that when counting the macros. You need to keep your percentages in the order of around 45% protein/ 35% carbs/ 20% fat, meaning its time to count not only protein intake but also carbs and fats.

The total amount of each macro is not the most important factor. Try dividing the macros per meal as timing is everything (well, almost) in your diet.

[hugovsilva]

Ok. I just checked and peanut butter has more protein than i thought.

Now, as I stated, calculate the macros for each meal and the % of each in your total to try to achieve the suggested %'s. Read on nutrition timing.

[hobbs9963]

Let me clarify my previous thread. Your diet looks good. I just went down your menu and made adjustments where i thought it might help. I would keep everything else the same. Yes, drink a carbo after workout as well. I like hugo's suggestions as well.

[aer_vlad]

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[KJSolid]

I agree with Hugo. Even looking at your diet, I think that you are not getting 250 grams of protein. If you are the majority is coming from protein shakes. The only meal i see with a good amount of beef is your lunch. Hopefully your dinner is not lunch meat and real slices of beef or pork. I think that you need to up your cal intake and see what happens. I went from 200lbs to 225lbs naturally after I changed my diet. Used to think my genetics were bad too. After that I started my cycling.

[paulzane]

Unless you are hoping to be a body building competitor I would stay off the gear for a few more years at least. If you can get up to 200lbs natty, with abs, then go for the gear to take you to the next level. The longer you can put it off the better in my opinion!

[hobbs9963]

aer vlad- I used to follow diet plans set by these guys in certain mags, fellow workout partners,etc.etc. for 4 years solid. They were very helpful and i learned what was best for my body. Through trial and error you will find it also. But you have to experiment. I only really started to feel good and bulk (this was 10 years ago) when i ate everything in site. PM me if you want additional info. I'll be in and out.

[aer_vlad]

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[paulzane]

Well you seem like a level headed, sensible young man, and have researched this topic well. Yes your first cycle should bring you up to 200 lbs and beyond. My only concern would be your youthfullness!!

Once you get to 200lbs then you will want to be 220lbs. Once you get 220lbs then you see 250lbs as another target. This would take a lot of time and a lot of 'roids to get there. You could be doing 2 or 3 stacks a year.

If you aspire to be a top amateur bodybuilder or a pro then start now, BUT if you just want to bulk up a little to feel and look better then stay off for at least a few years!!

19 is a little too young for your first stack in my humble opinion!!!

[admirals56]

dna why do you say dont use test cypionate for first cycle?

[JSola]

I'm just amazed at how much you eat. God Damn! How you're not getting bigger is beyond me.

[aer_vlad]

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[admirals56]

no man i havent yet sorry

[perfectbeast2001]

your diet needs a lot of work. Your main wholefood protein sources are all processed meat cuts. These are awful as they are made from poor qulality meat that has been cooked to hell and seasoned with a ton of salt and other chemical crap. Your diet needs a lot of work. The only thing i would consume from your diet is a PWO shake. The rest I would not even eat on a cheat day as there isnt nearly enough quality protein. Forget packaged conveniece food and cook some real meat. Grill some chicken breasts and steak ect and take those with you in a cold bag. Include some fish. You look to be getting reasonable ammounts of fat but it seems to be high in ***** 6 and lacking in ***** 3 - not good. Your carb choices are very poor. apart from the oats they are all processed convenience carbs. Oats, Brown rice and sweet pots are your friends.

[aer_vlad]

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[BG]

I agree with PB. Also I believe whole heartly about building a base, at your age and stats I believe you have aways to go before AAS is needed. Im very glad I waited until 30 for my first cycle, it allowed me time to know my amino acids, diet and just knowing my body. Imo theres no to be stimulating your hormones when their still peaked naturally. Honestly I would be surprised you can hit that diet you posted even if you cleaned it up, dieting is the hardest part, only the dedicated hit it, takes some time for your body to adjust to eating like that. I had my diet dialed in for awhile now and after almost two years I just couldnt eat like that anymore, its hard to keep your metabolism at such a high rate thus requiring adjustment/changes to your diet. My recommendation to you is, stay around here, soak up the info and pack some more natural body weight on. In a few years once you have your diet right and base built your cycles will yeild desired results.....not sub-par.

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[BG]

No problem, like Hugo said you have done some good researching, now try that bulk diet when training naturally, at your stats you should be able to pack on 10-15 lbs pretty fast, if training and recovery are now in check along with your new diet. After gaining that natty weight ( I would say at least get over 200+lbs) then you will be ready for a small cycle. But remember, at your age, you can achieve real nice gains naturally, saving AAS for when all other options have been exhausted.

[aer_vlad]

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[BG]

Good choice, feel free to PM if you want some diet and training advice. Again, good choice.