Testosterone E, without anti-estrogen or AI drugs?!

[kralj321]

Did anyone of you run testosterone enanthate without anti-estrogen or AI drugs while on cycle?!

If yes, what dosage did you use? What was the results?

What is your opinion on this?

[shifty_git]

Id say on a test only cycle its perfectly fine not to use an AI if you dont need one... but have one on hand incase you do.

Is this your first cycle? and whats ya age / stats etc?

[kralj321]

Id say on a test only cycle its perfectly fine not to use an AI if you dont need one... but have one on hand incase you do.

Is this your first cycle? and whats ya age / stats etc?

27, 5'11", 200. No cycle history, but I'm curious about test. Read a lot on AAS, liked this one http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...urcetype=HWCIT

[shifty_git]

Whats ya bf? and training history?

Well a plain test e course is the way to go for a first cycle.. very good choice. (rather than a lot of guys who wanna do about 5 compunds on there first cycle!)

Test E + An AI on hand just incase (Arimidex)

Then have you a planned PCT?

[kralj321]

Whats ya bf? and training history?

Well a plain test e course is the way to go for a first cycle.. very good choice. (rather than a lot of guys who wanna do about 5 compunds on there first cycle!)

Test E + An AI on hand just incase (Arimidex)

Then have you a planned PCT?

I don't know my bodyfat in percentage but I can say that my abs are slightly visible. Training history is few years of training.

I think A. Roberts PCT looks good, maybe throw in some Tribestan(from Sopharma) also.

What do you think about this PCT?

[shifty_git]

Looks pretty solid to me!

Maybe even overkill if you consider 'need Vs cost'

Nolva & Clomid + an AI will do the trick after a Test only course.

But what you suggested is great if you have the extra $$$

[kralj321]

Whats ya bf? and training history?

Well a plain test e course is the way to go for a first cycle.. very good choice. (rather than a lot of guys who wanna do about 5 compunds on there first cycle!)

Test E + An AI on hand just incase (Arimidex)

Then have you a planned PCT?

Can you answer this question.
I know no.1 pro bodybuilder in my country, he has run a lot of cycles and choose not to run PCT.
He ran PCT in beginning and than experimented with NO pct, and now he don't use PCT.

How come, and remember he is no.1 in my country.

[ironaddict69]

The gains from test with no AI will be a lot more than test with an anti E or with an AI. Estrogen boosts gains, period.

[kralj321]

shifty_git, what dosage do you recommend, what is the lowest? do I have to run 500mg/w or can I lower the dosage?
Remember, I'd like to put on 10-15 pounds, not more, that is my goal.
I have original Aburaihan.

[shifty_git]

Can you answer this question.
I know no.1 pro bodybuilder in my country, he has run a lot of cycles and choose not to run PCT.
He ran PCT in beginning and than experimented with NO pct, and now he don't use PCT.

How come, and remember he is no.1 in my country.

maybe cruises on an hrt dose between cycles?

The gains from test with no AI will be a lot more than test with an anti E or with an AI. Estrogen boosts gains, period.

Def agreed.

shifty_git, what dosage do you recommend, what is the lowest? do I have to run 500mg/w or can I lower the dosage?
Remember, I'd like to put on 10-15 pounds, not more, that is my goal.
I have original Aburaihan.

Well most do say 500mg per week, but maybe as low as 300mg could see results... is different for every person.. right down to how much of a % there body wants to aromatize.

Id never recommend a dose, but 500mg is a common starter point for test only.

def read those links merc posted.. very helpful info!

[kralj321]

I know that estrogen boost gains. Read this article http://www.*********.com/steroid-esters/

[kralj321]

Well most do say 500mg per week, but maybe as low as 300mg could see results... is different for every person.. right down to how much of a % there body wants to aromatize.

You are right when you say 300mg, 'cause according to this research, link http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...281/6/E1172/T2 , low doses test lowered IGF - levels.
But at dosage of 300mg test, IGF levels started to raise.

Notice not a big difference in IGF levels from 300mg vs. 600mg test!

[kralj321]

shifty_git, What about 250mg every fifth day(it would be 350mg/week), and for PCT only high dosage Tribestan say 4-5grams/day, try to avoid anti-estrogen 'cause of gains.

[Merc..]

see this thread about estrogen and muscle gains....


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...strogen+ai%27s


Merc.

[Merc..]

Or

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=merc+article


Merc.