Tren And Deca?

[STEROIDMD]

I understand one should use test when using tren. I happen to have a bottle of deca on hand. Would this be a viable sub for the test?
Also I'm prone to gyno with test. Should I be using nolva or another type of anti-est when using tren? Any advise would be appreciated.

[Big]

tren and deca are both 19nor compounds, test needs to be run with either. don't run nolva while on cycle, have an ai such as arimidex on hand. what are your stats and planned pct?

[Merc..]

tren and deca are both 19nor compounds, test needs to be run with either. don't run nolva while on cycle, have an ai such as arimidex on hand.

Yea, nolva increses PgR in breast tissue .. Giving more of the trens , deca nasty ass metabolites to bind to possible increasing your chances of getting gyno...



Merc.

[STEROIDMD]

Well I have not even aquired the tren yet but have a source and hear its great. I am something of a newbe. I have not decided on what to use for pct yet. Just trying to do my research. Any suggestions for a newbe? Iknow I know...do more reserch right?

[STEROIDMD]

BTW what is PgR?

[Big]

what are your stats?
age?
height?
weight?
body fat%?
is this your first cycle?
how long have you been training seriously?

[STEROIDMD]

I'm 31, 5'9, 185lbs. Been training for 3-4 years seriously. Did a 10 week cycle of equipoise 2 months ago and had some decent strength gains and about 5lbs. Before that I used gear quite a bit when I was 18-20 years old but did not really know what I was doing. Just used advise from other guys in gym who used.

[STEROIDMD]

And body fat 12%.

[longhorn814]

BTW what is PgR?

nolva upregulates your progesterone receptor (PgR) and increases the likilhood of developing progesterone related gyno from deca or tren..

running deca and/or tren without some test is a bad idea and deca is not a substitute for test eitehr

[STEROIDMD]

Thanks. So what does one need to combat gyno while on tren/test? Arimidex? During or post cycle?

[Merc..]

Well I have not even aquired the tren yet but have a source and hear its great. I am something of a newbe. I have not decided on what to use for pct yet. Just trying to do my research. Any suggestions for a newbe? Iknow I know...do more reserch right?

Yea like I am get bigger said usually people like to run test with tren or deca .. Test only for a first cycle is good .... I have seen people get great results just using test, and having a solid diet , and training protocol ..

Then down the road ( after doing a proper pct of course ), when they do another cycle they can add compounds to thier cycle ( if they want ).. you dont want to start with too many compounds.. Leave yourself some room for that in future cycles...

I see it as why unnecessarily use a bunch of compounds when you start ? For instance if someone uses test , tren and dbol on a first cycle what would thier third cycle look like ??

See what I am saying ? Like I said I have seen a lot of a people make tremendous gains off of a only test first cycle ... It also good to start with test only because then you can see how your are responding to it .. If you are using a bunch of compounds on a first cycle you dont really know how you will respond to each them .. If you start with a test only cycle you will be able to tell how your body reacts so when you start adding compounds in your future cycles you will already know what to expect from the test. So in other words you will be able to tell what is doing what ...

Also how old are and what is your training experience ? Have you ever used any over the counter pro hormones or anything like that ?

For pct I would advise to start by reading Anthony Roberts pct protocol .. It explains alot so really read through it so you can understand more about PCT.. Here's a link to it..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nthony+roberts

Merc.

[Merc..]

nolva upregulates your progesterone receptor (PgR) and increases the likilhood of developing progesterone related gyno from deca or tren..

running deca and/or tren without some test is a bad idea and deca is not a substitute for test eitehr

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good post ....

[STEROIDMD]

Thanks for taking the time to explain. Much appreciated!

[Merc..]

Thanks for taking the time to explain. Much appreciated!

[kostakv]

if there both 19nors they would shut you down pretty hard right? maybe have to do low doses of each deca and tren and then normal dose of test

[longhorn814]

tren and deca will shut you down good..you can just use a HRT dose of test as many people do or you can go higher, whichever you prefer

[kostakv]

im thinking if you use both tren and deca itll shut you down too hard
if both are used at higher doses, even with test

[longhorn814]

being shut down is being shut down..there is a difference between supression and shut down..shut down you body doesnt produce any testosterone on its own..it cant produce anything less than zero..tren, deca, test will all shut you down

[kostakv]

my question is will tren and deca together in higher doses even with test supress you to a harmful limit???

[facile]

my question is will tren and deca together in higher doses even with test supress you to a harmful limit???

Once your own "test" shuts down, it is shut down, there really aren't to many varying degrees. So I don't think that you can achieve a harmful level of suppression.... but keep the amounts of the products you use reasonable, A good PCT will be neccessary for this type of cycle, don't start it until you have everything you need.

[mx3]

its been shown that even 100 mg of deca will shut you down. that means complete suppression, 0. so no matter what amount you use your test production is nill. and the increase in prog. is not cumulative. Im running deca and tren right now with no ill effects as of yet. But a good pct is very important.

[Schmidty]

I'm 31, 5'9, 185lbs. Been training for 3-4 years seriously. Did a 10 week cycle of equipoise 2 months ago and had some decent strength gains and about 5lbs. Before that I used gear quite a bit when I was 18-20 years old but did not really know what I was doing. Just used advise from other guys in gym who used.

Always "that guy at the gym". They never know what the fvck their talkn bout

[Big]

my question is will tren and deca together in higher doses even with test supress you to a harmful limit???

In a word, no. Tren, or deca, or tren and deca together, will completely stop your natural test production. Your production can not go lower than zero. However, they can not suppress the test that you are injecting, as the test that you are injecting is not natural or produced in the body, therefore it can't be suppressed.

[Merc..]

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