Is Propionate any good on its own ?

[quicknissan2008]

I have an unlimited supply of Testosterone Propionate, and am wondering if it is any good on its own for bulking and muscle growth ?

I was previously on Sustanon 300 (600mg/week) and had excellent gains (8kg/17lbs in 3 weeks)

I have been on Prop 350mg/week for 3 weeks and the gains are no where near what I am looking for - (approx 1kg/week)

I currently do not have access to anything else to stack it with, so i am wondering if I up my dosage to say 700mg/week will i see excellent gains ?

Daily injections do not bother me (am currently on every second day)

Will for example 700mg/week produce good mass/muscle gains or should I go more than that ? I am looking for the sort of gains I had whilst on sus 300.

I am 66kg/145 lbs, 5ft 8 and very low body fat.


Any help appreciated !!

Thanks !!

[Kale]

Am I right is assuming that you started your first cycle wei***ng 58KG at 5'8" ?

[quicknissan2008]

Yes that is correct. 57.7kg originally, put on 8kg in 3 weeks. I then ran out of sus and moved to prop which i have unlimited supply of lol.

[quicknissan2008]

I am eating correctly which includes lots of meat, carbs and protien shakes. I am also trying to eat as much as I can to assist the mass/muscle gains. I am also on glutamine and creatine.

[ausmade]

i can see where kale is gonna go with this correct me if im wrong lol dude no offence but what the hell are you doing taking ass at 67.7kgs if ur 5.8 u have got alot more growth in u naturally b4 u should be taking anything. if u dont mind me asking how old are u?? and from what u r saying is u were on 600mg/weekly of sust and ran out so switched to 350mg propionate why the hell did u go from 600mg down to 350mg and as for propionate being good for bulking yes it is as u would read alot of if u did ur research test is test...

[Kale]

i can see where kale is gonna go with this correct me if im wrong lol dude no offence but what the hell are you doing taking ass at 67.7kgs if ur 5.8 u have got alot more growth in u naturally b4 u should be taking anything. if u dont mind me asking how old are u?? and from what u r saying is u were on 600mg/weekly of sust and ran out so switched to 350mg propionate why the hell did u go from 600mg down to 350mg and as for propionate being good for bulking yes it is as u would read alot of if u did ur research test is test...

Thank you for saving me the typing !!!!

[quicknissan2008]

I am 28 years old. Just checked, I am actually 5ft9.

I have done alot of reasearch on the net, I just wanted the opinions of some of you guys that have had first hand experience.

I started on 350mg/week of prop cause I only initially got 10mls and wanted it to last, but have just picked up another 40mls. The one I am on is for veterinarian use, 50mg/ml.

Therefore I inject 2ml/100mg every second day.

I have no problem increasing this to 2ml(100mg/day = 700mg/week) every day or even 3ml(150mg/day = 1050mg/week) if necessary and if the gains will be profoundly better. So this is the question, what mg/day or what mg every second day should i increase to ?

Am I assuming correctly that because test is all the same (just slower and faster releasing) that 600mg/week of prop would have given me exactly the same gains as 600mg/week of sus ?

Until 5 weeks ago, I had never gone to the gym in my life, and was 100% vegetarian.

I now go to gym 3-4 times a week and eat meat every day.

[ausmade]

I am 28 years old. Just checked, I am actually 5ft9.

I have done alot of reasearch on the net, I just wanted the opinions of some of you guys that have had first hand experience.

I started on 350mg/week of prop cause I only initially got 10mls and wanted it to last, but have just picked up another 40mls. The one I am on is for veterinarian use, 50mg/ml.

Therefore I inject 2ml/100mg every second day.

I have no problem increasing this to 2ml(100mg/day = 700mg/week) every day or even 3ml(150mg/day = 1050mg/week) if necessary and if the gains will be profoundly better. So this is the question, what mg/day or what mg every second day should i increase to ?

Am I assuming correctly that because test is all the same (just slower and faster releasing) that 600mg/week of prop would have given me exactly the same gains as 600mg/week of sus ?

Until 5 weeks ago, I had never gone to the gym in my life, and was 100% vegetarian.

I now go to gym 3-4 times a week and eat meat every day.

ok 1050mg/weekly is 2 high as this would be your first cycle you wouldnt really need to exceed 500mgs weekly to get great results...what u should have done mate was put the hard yards in the gym before u started ass i was traing 2 years before even thinking of taking anything other guys have alot more years under there belt.. but to answer your questions is work out your injections so u can have the 600mgs weekly like u originally started with your sust..by going up and down is olny gonna send ur blood levels all over the place making ur side affect worse and you dont wanna cause yourself any harm?? do u have anything for your pct mate?? but saying all that my suggestion to u is to stop your cycle run your pct and keep ur butt in the gym and train hard and a good diet and u will grow naturally and when u get stuck and just cant seem to get past then look into ass... hope this helps...

andto kale no probs mate glad ur fingers aint sore lol

[quicknissan2008]

Well as you have probably heard from lots of newbies, I just dont wanna wait lol. I mean, after 3 weeks on Sus i put on 8kg, isnt that an excellent reason for me to keep going ?

In regards to my pct, i havent got anything yet, but obviously hope to get some before I finish.

So if i did 600mg/week of prop would that have given me the same gains as the 600mg/week that the sus did ? (roughly)

[quicknissan2008]

ausmade I am in sydney by the way, am guessing you are in Australia by looking at your name...... good to see another Aussie on here !

[borntobeblue]

wish i had an unlimited supply lol

[quicknissan2008]

wish i had an unlimited supply lol

I still have to pay for it lol, I dont get it for free :-)

[fdrx7man]

yeah.. prop is good stuff by itself, but test is test when it boils down to it..

[admirals56]

ausmade: so since im not at my genitic potential i cant get any ass?

[djcj2002]

Bro, not flaming at all. But, if you've only been in the gym for 5 weeks, you are doing this waaaayyyy too early. You need to train HARD for at least a year (imo) before even considering aas. My suggestion to you for the next year is stay in the gym, keep researching on here, then THINK about getting on juice. Oh, and stop your cycle now and do pct. Just my suggestion.

[Only_Patience]

Put the oil in the cabinet and get it out in a year or two.. And not flaming again but its just plain dumb how many people think this is a magic pill.. Workout for a week then your ready for AS sh*t why doesnt everyone just take them and not workout.. I mean 10-15 pushups a day should be good.. Maybe a protein shake and a multi vtm and your set! Please start actually doing some research

[fdrx7man]

damn right.. im ordering my ab belt today!! :-P jk

[Only_Patience]

lmao its the one you strap around your waist while your at work.. watching tv.. even eating! yeah I bought two of them thinking itll do twice the work.. pretty pumped!! haha I think its gonna be as good as the chuck norris full body workout station hahaha

[ausmade]

yeah mate im from sydney also if u have any questions at all or need anything just ask mate i will try to help u out in any way

[scaramouche]

yeh as has been said, test is test and its a good strength builder, i hear its tough for u oz's to get gear so if uve got a good supply then good on ya mate

if thats u in ur avy u look ok to be cycling to me, ive seen a lot lighter guys than u cycle

[samcam]

Put the oil in the cabinet and get it out in a year or two.. And not flaming again but its just plain dumb how many people think this is a magic pill.. Workout for a week then your ready for AS sh*t why doesnt everyone just take them and not workout.. I mean 10-15 pushups a day should be good.. Maybe a protein shake and a multi vtm and your set! Please start actually doing some research

Agreed! I would even wait more like 5-10 years! I waited almost 20. Get your workouts, diet, training and everything in order first, if you can't gain naturally than aas isn't going to do you any good, you will just lose all the gains you make, imo.

[Panzerfaust80]

Studies show that a person needs to train for approx. 5.43 years before beginning AAS.



just outta curiosity, (i know it killed the cat..!) how do u have this magical "unlimited supply"? U work at a vet or something?

[N4cer]

OMG! You can't just expect to continue growing. The body wants homeostasis.
And the whole calling it ass instead of AAS is just hilarious!

[gixxerboy1]

Well as you have probably heard from lots of newbies, I just dont wanna wait lol. I mean, after 3 weeks on Sus i put on 8kg, isnt that an excellent reason for me to keep going ?

In regards to my pct, i havent got anything yet, but obviously hope to get some before I finish.

So if i did 600mg/week of prop would that have given me the same gains as the 600mg/week that the sus did ? (roughly)

NO. The reason you put on so much is because you were under wieght. Not even average. So of course you put on some weight with working out and possible eating. The reason your gains slowed down is not because of the prop. It's because I'll bet anything you still arent eating correctly. Food determines how much you are going to put on. Not the MG. You can up the dose to 200mg a day it wont matter

Second your not even using the prop correctly. And you want to go higher doses then i need and i'm bigger and taken more stuff then you.

[N4cer]

Hormones, food, and growing is simple.

If you're not gaining from lifting and food, you can't gain from steroids (or from increasing your dosages). It's like this:

Your body = new building being built
Nutrition = bricks
Hormones = workers

Now you already have some workers, but not enough bricks or you'd be growing. So if you bring on more workers, why would they help since you're already short on bricks?

[shifty_git]

Hormones, food, and growing is simple.

If you're not gaining from lifting and food, you can't gain from steroids (or from increasing your dosages). It's like this:

Your body = new building being built
Nutrition = bricks
Hormones = workers

Now you already have some workers, but not enough bricks or you'd be growing. So if you bring on more workers, why would they help since you're already short on bricks?

now someones been watching milo!

[N4cer]

Huh? That's all my words.

[shifty_git]

Huh? That's all my words.

Milo Sarcev uses the same analogy in his diet video 'Secrets of the pro's'

[gixxerboy1]

Huh? That's all my words.

I never heard that before great analogy

[N4cer]

Milo Sarcev uses the same analogy in his diet video 'Secrets of the pro's'

Friggin' theif! I've never seen that or heard it. Great minds think alike I guess. LOL!

[shifty_git]

Friggin' theif! I've never seen that or heard it. Great minds think alike I guess. LOL!

take him to court over copyrights! free juice 4 life!