Tren e Eq Primo????

[qwertyuio]

Im thinking of doing a cycle of these three together and i realize many people say Tren isnt a good idea on a first cycle but its fine im willing to take the gamble......what im wondering is with this stack if it would be necessary to frontload or not??? What do u guys think???

[PT]

if your running those 3 then no you do not want to frontload.

[qwertyuio]

Anybody???? i need some advice here please i really need some help!!!!!

[qwertyuio]

Thanks Pietro.....what are ur thoughts about the stack choice.....do you think they will work well together?

[PT]

i think that some test prop will really make it but even without it you have a nice cycle. most people will tell you not to run it without test but i have friends that cut on cycles like this (no test) all the time and they have great results. if you watch your diet, eat 2grams of protein per lb of bw and do alot of cardio you will gain some quality muscle and get hard as hell for spring

[legobricks]

i think that some test prop will really make it but even without it you have a nice cycle. most people will tell you not to run it without test but i have friends that cut on cycles like this (no test) all the time and they have great results. if you watch your diet, eat 2grams of protein per lb of bw and do alot of cardio you will gain some quality muscle and get hard as hell for spring

Horrible cycle, horrible advice. The stack sucks, period. Ive ran tren by itself and was shutdown HARD. Lost libido, was tired all the fricken time, almost went into depression, lost my entire sense of well being/desire to lift. And for a first cycle???? No, not even close..way too many compounds. How about this, run a test prop cycle instead of all 3 of those compounds to see how your body reacts to single compounds first. Your in for one hell of a rollercoaster if you run that stack. Your body recognizes hormones as testosterone when injected. The only thing is that your body CANNOT use these as testosterone so therefore the sides that I mentioned above will be experienced. Testosterone is responsible for a lot in the human body which is why people who's levels are extremely low or non-existant get put on TRT or HRT so there body can be regulated. Its simple man, do some research on compounds and how each effects your body.

[PT]

i disagree and have known many people that have done it and had good results

[ChuckLee]

There is always a need for test while on a cycle with nortests or trenbolones, even at minimal dosage per week.

CL

[PT]

gsxxr a mod on this board ran tren and masteron together without test and he said he loved the results as well but wished that he had eq to toss in. all im saying is that everyone is different. i personally ran tren and deca together before which is something most people would never do for obvious reasons but i never had any problems.

[qwertyuio]

A test prop has to be injected much more often then say test e.....Lego if i were to replace the tren wth test e but keep just the eq would that be easier on the body for the first time and keep good results???

[legobricks]

i disagree and have known many people that have done it and had good results

1. Its his first cycle so yes its bad advice.

2. Running THREE suppresive compounds together and absolutely no test? Thats like a deca only cycle....yes some people can get away with it but its a bad choice as everyone is different and most people end up with the negative aspects of it. Only instead of deca it is tren AND 2 other suppresive compounds on top of it which is why this cycle is horrible.

3. Just because your friends did it doesnt mean its a good idea, we give solid advice for people here with research behind cycles and why some are bad ideas and what the best option would be for a newcomer to AAS.

[PT]

i agree 100% there. he should never even use tren in his first cycle and i would of said that but he was content with doing this cycle and using tren so i figured i wouldnt waste my time trying to talk him out of it. i dont think anyond should ever use tren until they have at least 4 cycles under there belt because it is one of the most harsh steroids out there

[longhorn814]

gotta agree with lego here..peitro that is some bad advice to give someone for a first cycle..besides you dont even know what this guys stats are for starters?

[legobricks]

gsxxr a mod on this board ran tren and masteron together without test and he said he loved the results as well but wished that he had eq to toss in

A Moderator with many cycles and experience under his belt. Tai (a well knon, respected vet) has ran tren only, deca only, many other compounds and GRAMS per week. This guy here is a first time user to AAS so once again its bad advice. IF you know how different compounds affect your body becuase youve ran most of them or the majority of them then feel free to go ahead and run something crazy, becuase you know how your body will react and the gains/losses that may occur. And If im not mistaken, i believe gsxxr is on TRT but regardless if he is or isnt he is very experienced in the world of AAS. Do you understand now?

[legobricks]

A test prop has to be injected much more often then say test e.....Lego if i were to replace the tren wth test e but keep just the eq would that be easier on the body for the first time and keep good results???

Test E and EQ would be a good first cycle. Many users will say Test only for the reason that you dont know how your body will react to AAS. EQ however is a mild compound and you may like it. What are your current stats?

[PT]

hey im not telling him what to run. i never picked these drugs for him and told him he should use them. i simply said it was a good cycle that a few friends of mine has run. i never typed what steroids i thought were best for him. if you read the first post you will see that he knows about tren but wants to risk it. i cant go to his house and stop him if he wants to use it so i told him what i knew.

[10nispro]

Stats before advise is my moto....

[10nispro]

Qwertyuio, aren't you a professional athlete?

[qwertyuio]

6'1 190lbs, 13-14%bf, 22yrs old, over 6 years training seriously

I hear that Eq is very benificial for athletes and for myself im not exactly looking to become a monster but rather to get solid gains of lean muscle and get quicker and more explosive.....i realized that test is a must so eq with hopefully can work well!!

[PT]

if your an athlete then you shouldnt be using tren because it effects most peoples cardio

[PT]

try test prop and eq or primo. primo is great but very expensive and i found that i need at least 600mgs a week to work its majic

[legobricks]

hey im not telling him what to run. i never picked these drugs for him and told him he should use them. i simply said it was a good cycle that a few friends of mine has run. i never typed what steroids i thought were best for him. if you read the first post you will see that he knows about tren but wants to risk it. i cant go to his house and stop him if he wants to use it so i told him what i knew.

Ok, I understand you. As I stated if you know how different compounds affect you and you know the consequences and when the right time to quit is and are responsible then by all means experiment. But he stated in his first post that he "heard" tren isnt shouldnt be used by begginers and that this was his first cycle. We all know that there are some crazy cycles that newbies throw out there and we all try to critque it to best suite his needs/experience. Not trying to jump on ya bro, just making sure that were on the same page with advice and such.

[PT]

its funny that there is like 10 people watching this thread. just so everyone knows, this is a debate not a fight. i agree with legobricks that he shouldnt be doing a cycle like this but i do also think that people like myself can benifit by it.

[10nispro]

The weight gain is gonna have to do with your diet. Eat clean and watch intake and just a test cycle will do you good. I am also a pro athlete and use the test alone, for strength and was very happy. Only gained small amount of weight but it was clean. Just starting a Test/OT cycle.

[10nispro]

I understood it was a debate, that's why I let you guys go. I saw no need to get my racquet and break you two apart. Debates are good learning tools.

[PT]

Ok, I understand you. As I stated if you know how different compounds affect you and you know the consequences and when the right time to quit is and are responsible then by all means experiment. But he stated in his first post that he "heard" tren isnt shouldnt be used by begginers and that this was his first cycle. We all know that there are some crazy cycles that newbies throw out there and we all try to critque it to best suite his needs/experience. Not trying to jump on ya bro, just making sure that were on the same page with advice and such.

i know your not trying to jump on me bro and i dont get mad one little bit if someone debates with me because thats how i learn. between yoursely, gsxxr and vette(who's not around much anymore) i have learned a ton from this board and im glad that i can have debates like this were everyone dosnt get all bent out of shape

[Discipline_1]

good stuff guys... this is why this is the best board out there and many people including myself are a lot better off along with getting better results with safety at mind, cant say enough about the people on this board

[Drummerboy]

This is a horrible idea. Ill never understand noobs that come in and say "i know this is bad but im going to do it anyway..." so go do it and learn the hard way. Lego is tryin to save your ass with solid advice. Test only to start is the best way.

[Drummerboy]

gsxxr a mod on this board ran tren and masteron together without test and he said he loved the results as well but wished that he had eq to toss in. all im saying is that everyone is different. i personally ran tren and deca together before which is something most people would never do for obvious reasons but i never had any problems.

you felt NOTHING when your test crashed? wow.

[PT]

i also used test bro and no i didnt. also who gave lego heat?