A doctor will give me a legal AAS perscription if.....

[wanderingmarsupial]

...if I can prove to him that it is medically responsible to do so. What I need is documentation that other doctors do issue AAS (or HGH) prescriptions specifically to promote join healing (tendon repair). Also, studies showing clinically that AAS and/or HGH help heal tendons is a plus. I've tried for years to heal my shoulders (and other joints) and the only thing that ever worked was when I used test, and later deca, back when I was aspiring to be a great bodybuilder. My doctor knows well my history and has said the info I've given him so far makes it reasonable to consider IF I can provide enough evidence to not only assuage his concerns for my well being but his fears for his license. I won't say what country I'm in other than to say it is not the United States and in my country steroids are legal if prescribed, but their recognized uses does not currently include injury repair. So far I've given him the study done at UNC Chapel Hill from 2004 where they tested deca on bioengineered supraspinatus tendons and found it gave great results. I've also given him lots of scientific breakdown on how the various steroids work within the body (thanks in large part to this site) and mountains of evidence where steroids were given to people for other reasons, like reversing osteoarthritis, helping to fight AIDS wasting and helping burn victims recover better and even though those studies don't have anything to do with injury repair, at least the studies show the side effects were a lot less significant than what is usually considered by the medical profession. But that can only get me so far with my doctor. He needs to know that not only the bad won't be too bad, but the good will be very good. So I'm asking, does anyone know where I can find evidence of doctors prescribing AAS/HGH for injury repair that I can give to my doctor? I'm looking for good studies/documentation. Nothing anecdotal, no "friend of a friend", no street-level self-administered user experiences, and nothing from the "Somali School of Medicine and Nail Salon". I need credible, documentable data. I've gotta get rid of this constant pain, and I've explored all the other options from rest to surgery and all in between: they didn't work. So can any of you help me? I don't want to have to go the underground route if it is at all possible to avoid it.

[AthleticEngineering]

I think tai might be a good person to ask. You can find his thread in the same section that this is posted.

[Big]

I've never heard of any doctor anywhere needing his patient to find the data to convince him of their own treatment.

[jbonez19]

I've never heard of any doctor anywhere needing his patient to find the data to convince him of their own treatment.

agree with big, sounds like he's trying to put u off to me unfortunately.

[wanderingmarsupial]

It's not that I have to convince the doctor, its that I have to give him the ammunition for when (not if) someone further along the chain such as the pharmacist or a medical review board challenges him. I need to help him cover his ass basically.

[Big]

It's not that I have to convince the doctor, its that I have to give him the ammunition for when (not if) someone further along the chain such as the pharmacist or a medical review board challenges him. I need to help him cover his ass basically.

I understand what you are saying, but don't you think it's a conflict of interest? If he has to face a review, and the information that led to a questionable treatment was provided by the patient that received said treatment? That just makes no sense bro.

[wanderingmarsupial]

I understand what you are saying, but don't you think it's a conflict of interest? If he has to face a review, and the information that led to a questionable treatment was provided by the patient that received said treatment? That just makes no sense bro.

But so long as my only connection to the information is to act as a forwarding agent, not to create it, then he should be covered. If, with the help of people here, I come upon evidence that steroids are considered a reasonable treatment for tendon injuries (when other methods fail) in (just to make up a few hypothetical examples) Ireland, Spain and Japan, complete with references to studies and listings in gov't medical texts then that provides my physician with evidence he can use to back up his prescription. Believe me he'll check my sources. If I claim that the "Irish Board of Health" (or whatever) provides for certain select steroids to be used for injury repair under a structured format he'll make sure I'm not blowing smoke up his you-know-what.

So I'm at the point where I have to find the evidence, however much there is. So thats why I'm asking here for all the help I can get.

Btw: since you're a moderator, can you PM me. I'd PM you but apparently I don't have that level of membership yet.

[wanderingmarsupial]

100+ views and nobody has anything that will help me?

[bigt10]

he needs a reason to. go inject some deca dont use any test complain you have low test get the blood work done then hell get you testosterone.

the other trick that rarely works is tell the doc you dont want to use underground lab steroids they are bad for your health and if he could prescribe you good quality ones.

if your in the USA good luck on second one though. in UK or Canada that works alot more im sure.

there used to be a guy on this board whos doc prescribed it all for him cause he didnt want him using homebrew crap, he could get anything legal for humans so no tren i think.

[wanderingmarsupial]

he needs a reason to. go inject some deca dont use any test complain you have low test get the blood work done then hell get you testosterone.

the other trick that rarely works is tell the doc you dont want to use underground lab steroids they are bad for your health and if he could prescribe you good quality ones.

if your in the USA good luck on second one though. in UK or Canada that works alot more im sure.

there used to be a guy on this board whos doc prescribed it all for him cause he didnt want him using homebrew crap, he could get anything legal for humans so no tren i think.

Well for the first part I'm looking to do the whole thing above board if at all possible (I know, I'm naive) On the second part of your post he knows I'll go get it myself if I have to, but I'm not throwing it in his face as a challenge, he's been a good doctor to me for about a decade and I don't want to mess that up. If I actually get to the point where I'll have to get some from the street I'll just get the stuff myself and let him monitor all of my various levels to make sure I'm not doing severe damage to myself. I haven't asked but I'm confident he'd prescribe some PCT if I go that route. As I said in the beginning, I don't want to reveal my location, if my doc does this he'll definitely not want a bunch of people knocking on his door or stirring up trouble for other doctors in my country, but I will go so far as to say again I am not in the U.S.A. This other person whose doc gave him a prescription, have you got a link or anything to his posts about it?


Thanks for the response btw.

Anyone know if one of the legit uses for Deca is joint repair in non-english countries? I'm searching blind using babelfish and I'm not getting anywhere.

[BITTAPART2]

he isnt gonna give you deca and prolly not test either bro

[Baba]

I wish I could find a doctor that is into bbing.

[wanderingmarsupial]

Well I just got back from my doctor. I have the results of my blood work and other info. But first let me say this: I know most of you think my doctor believes I won't find convincing evidence so he's just letting me spin my wheels until I give up, that's fine. If that is how some of you see it then that is how some of you see it. I'm not going to tell anyone else how to think. But my doctor has said that if he can find backing to support the decision to prescribe AAS or HGH for joint repair then he will and I believe him. If I'm wrong on that then I'm wrong, and nothing anyone else says will change it. But if I'm right and he is being honest then I have a chance to fix some serious pain that's been chewing me up for many years. So if anyone has any suggestions that they think might help, even if you don't believe my doctor will listen to them, please tell me. I can't just keep burying this pain under prescription opioids, especially when they don't do a good job.

So here's what my doctor said. First, he spoke with two pharmacists, two joint specialists and one endocrinologist, all said that AAS and HGH were too far outside the mainstream to be considered reasonable treatment for joint injury repair regardless of the 2004 study done in UNC Chapel Hill. My doc won't step out on the ledge without someone else with him who will back his prescription, and medical documentation from other countries is no good unless those doctors are willing to come here to testify on his behalf if he gets called out. At this point because I'm in need of specific help I'm going to give out a bit more personal information about my situation. I'm in Canada, province of Ontario, somewhere within a maximum 4 hour drive of Toronto. I won't give any more information than that. When I asked my doctor if he knew of any other doctors who are bold enough to write a prescription based solely on their own assessment, he said there was one only a few hours away that he knew of, but he came to know about this doctor's activities when he heard about him loosing his license a little while ago. So do any of my fellow Canadians have any recommendations for me?

I got my blood test results. My cholesterol level and other factors were normal. My testosterone level was 37 with a healthy range for a man of my age being 20-94. Thats with me taking tribulus and other herbal stuff to boost me up naturally. My doctor suggested I stop taking the tribulus for a month and then get re-tested to see where I am. That number seems low to me and so if the tribulus is doing it's job by raising me up then maybe without it I'll drop below 20. I may qualify for HRT.

I'll be seeing a joint specialist soon to get his take on my shoulder. Surgery is one of the last resorts for me. I've had it before and it did nothing. Also, I have a proven track record of not healing properly and that's not just from injuries, I had surgery on another joint in 94 or 95 and I still have pain and even a little bit of swelling in the area as a result of the procedure. I'm planning on asking the joint specialist what he thinks of the Chapel Hill study. My doc has told me he's not a closed-minded doctor and won't rule out AAS "just because" but I know I'll probably have the same hard sell to convince him as I'm having with my GP.

If anyone has any suggestions on how I can get past this roadblock I really would like to hear it. I know it's unlikely but look at it this way: best case scenario you'd not be helping just me, you'd be helping others, possibly yourself, down the road. If I can get AAS or HGH to repair my shoulder through a legal, documented method, that would be on record. So if one of you destroys your knee next year you could cite my case as evidence of both the effectiveness and safety of hormone supplementation to heal injuries. The odds of that happening if we try: slim. Odds of that happening if we don't try: none. I'll take slim over none any day.

[bfsparty]

Dude, no offense, but I dont think anyone here can help you but you, your situation is really odd: Laws, doctors,studies, maybes, sounds extremely complex and wierd. Take action, dont rely on some weak ass doctor... Get some roids and blow your doc off and see if it works, and pound on some GH as well. Pay for it yourself, and see what happens...all else fails get the surgery..

[wanderingmarsupial]

If I wanted to tank my free test levels below the "20" point minimum my doctor gave, so I could qualify for HRT, what could I do to get myself there? I've cut out the tribulus and everything else. And I've read that poor sleep can cost some points, as can reduced protein intake and excessive aerobic exercise. Is there anything else I can do?

[jaysunderstudy]

Thats a weird situation, I've seen a doc prescribe the test patch for himself. If you got like 1 vial of it to last like 3 mo, then no pharmacist would get suspicious, they don't have that much free time, unless you go a small town drugstore.

[wanderingmarsupial]

So I engaged in a program of high aerobic overtraining, protein reduced food intake, lousy sleeping habits and got hammered several nights in a row before the test, I even showed up for the test without having had any sleep the night before....

and my test level was up 4%!

I think I am at the point where I've got to take care of the situation all on my own.