Clenbuterol or T4

[Toenail Juice Z]

If you had to chose one or the other (not a combination) for fat loss, which one would you chose. I don't have experience with either one, but I'm thinking about T4 instead of T3 for the first time, since clen has the side effect of elevating anxiety, something I wish to avoid.

Taken alone, which one of the two completely different substances would you opt for?

Those of you who have had experience with these 2, please answer and give reasons for your choice.

Thanks.

[VTliftVT]

If you had to chose one or the other (not a combination) for fat loss, which one would you chose. I don't have experience with either one, but I'm thinking about T4 instead of T3 for the first time, since clen has the side effect of elevating anxiety, something I wish to avoid.

Taken alone, which one of the two completely different substances would you opt for?

Those of you who have had experience with these 2, please answer and give reasons for your choice.

Thanks.

clen, youll lose fat just as well and you wont be FVcking with your thyroid. How bad will your anxiety be when you find out your natural thyroid levels are off? Even though I do realize t4 is a lot easier on the thyroid than t3.

[jc95605]

I agree with VTlift. If you run clen and have a good diet your BF will definately go down. Why mess with your thyroids if you don't have to. You'll be fine with just clen.

[VIPLV]

I'm about to start a cycle and will be using a T3/Clen combo. As for the T3 or T4...just read their profiles. You're not gonna mess anything up if you do it right! Just stagger up and back down. Sure you might mess yourself up if you don't stagger back down (which even that is debatable by many), but if you do it right then you'll be fine. To say "don't mess with you're thyroid if you don't have to" is the same as a freakin conservative saying "don't mess with your balls if you don't have too" in reference to test. Just like you could mess yourself up if you don't have a good PCT after a test cycle. Or lets say you take 1000 mg of clen all at once...guess what??? You'll probably DIE. So point is...read up...do it right. Have your doc do some Thyroid test, and if you're good, and the bro's on here have given you solid advice on your cycle give it a try!

My advice would be to try both and see which gives you better results. T4 effects your thyroid...clen effects your beta 2 receptors. They both do different things so it won't hurt to run them together or if you're running the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off approach on the clen to maybe mid cycle throw in the T4 and see what kinda results you get!

Just a little extra info on T3, and of course we all know T4 is the lesser of the two.

http://www.steroid.com/Cytomel.php

Here's a quote:
"Finally, I would like to address the issue of recovery of your natural thyroid function after you stop taking cytomel. The horror stories of people on permanent thyroid replacement just aren´t true. I remember a few years ago, the rumor was circulating that the current Ms.Fitness had permanently shut off her thyroid gland, and was now fat and on thyroid hormone permanently. This is just another horror story based in nothing but conjecture and rumor, the studies I´ve looked at have shown people recovering their thyroid hormone relatively quickly (within months, at most) after going off of several YEARS (!) of thyroid replacement therapy (10)(11). I speculate that you can optimize your metabolic rate with Cytomel for 9-10 months a year, and just normalize yourself for 2-3 months (perhaps the winter, when you are mostly covered up), and then go right back on. Some people in the studies I read were on T3 for 30 years and recovered their natural thyroid function within short order. I think we can safely spend an athletic career using Cytomel 9-10 months out of the year, and just taking those few months off to normalize ourselves. Is this aggressive? Yes. Is this unsafe? NO."

[Toenail Juice Z]

clen, youll lose fat just as well and you wont be FVcking with your thyroid. How bad will your anxiety be when you find out your natural thyroid levels are off? Even though I do realize t4 is a lot easier on the thyroid than t3.

I have read up for years on both. Just as you said with T4 i'll be "playing" around with my thyroid; I could say I could say run clen and **** up your heart. Both have different side effects.

The reason I'm not sure about clen is simple. I have an anxiety related psychological problem and I can easily trigger panic attacks with CNS stimulants. For example I even tried a NATURAL fat loss product (ON-Thermo-cuts), which basically has megadoses of caffeine and my anxiety went through the roof, so I ended up quiting it all together.

Do you understand what i'm getting at?

[Toenail Juice Z]

I agree with VTlift. If you run clen and have a good diet your BF will definately go down. Why mess with your thyroids if you don't have to. You'll be fine with just clen.

So do you reckon clen is totally harmless? Because i have read many long term artery hardening problems with clen, as well as other things although most studies were done on rats with megadoses and not micrograms.

However, i'm not afraid one bit to try it, I just don't want to have to give it up halfway through for the reasons I have already stated.

[Toenail Juice Z]

I'm about to start a cycle and will be using a T3/Clen combo. As for the T3 or T4...just read their profiles. You're not gonna mess anything up if you do it right! Just stagger up and back down. Sure you might mess yourself up if you don't stagger back down (which even that is debatable by many), but if you do it right then you'll be fine. To say "don't mess with you're thyroid if you don't have to" is the same as a freakin conservative saying "don't mess with your balls if you don't have too" in reference to test. Just like you could mess yourself up if you don't have a good PCT after a test cycle. Or lets say you take 1000 mg of clen all at once...guess what??? You'll probably DIE. So point is...read up...do it right. Have your doc do some Thyroid test, and if you're good, and the bro's on here have given you solid advice on your cycle give it a try!

My advice would be to try both and see which gives you better results. T4 effects your thyroid...clen effects your beta 2 receptors. They both do different things so it won't hurt to run them together or if you're running the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off approach on the clen to maybe mid cycle throw in the T4 and see what kinda results you get!

Just a little extra info on T3, and of course we all know T4 is the lesser of the two.

http://www.steroid.com/Cytomel.php

Here's a quote:
"Finally, I would like to address the issue of recovery of your natural thyroid function after you stop taking cytomel. The horror stories of people on permanent thyroid replacement just aren´t true. I remember a few years ago, the rumor was circulating that the current Ms.Fitness had permanently shut off her thyroid gland, and was now fat and on thyroid hormone permanently. This is just another horror story based in nothing but conjecture and rumor, the studies I´ve looked at have shown people recovering their thyroid hormone relatively quickly (within months, at most) after going off of several YEARS (!) of thyroid replacement therapy (10)(11). I speculate that you can optimize your metabolic rate with Cytomel for 9-10 months a year, and just normalize yourself for 2-3 months (perhaps the winter, when you are mostly covered up), and then go right back on. Some people in the studies I read were on T3 for 30 years and recovered their natural thyroid function within short order. I think we can safely spend an athletic career using Cytomel 9-10 months out of the year, and just taking those few months off to normalize ourselves. Is this aggressive? Yes. Is this unsafe? NO."

I have done research on both substances for years now..I'm not a newbie on the subject, but I respect your post, because it addresses the truth, and has been the only non biased reply so far.

[sphincter]

if you're sensitive to anxiety I'd defiitely steer clear of Clen my bro. T3/T4 is O.K. though as I can take it and go to bed if I like.. no real side effects noticed yet and been on almost 2 weeks.

[Toenail Juice Z]

if you're sensitive to anxiety I'd defiitely steer clear of Clen my bro. T3/T4 is O.K. though as I can take it and go to bed if I like.. no real side effects noticed yet and been on almost 2 weeks.

Thank You.

[CollegeBoy85]

Clen is the best and safest alone but between t3 and t4. t3 is better