what to take with winny?

[ATL]

started takin winny 5 days ago, but have been told that just winny cycles is a week. I was told in the other thread to take test with it? where do i fit it in, im just finishing up week one here soon, have 5 weeks left, and wanna know what to take with it, and when. Like the other thread, says im 19, but am looking for answers here to take this in the safest way, like before, not answering really isnt helping.

[ATL]

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[colts2407]

started takin winny 5 days ago, but have been told that just winny cycles is a week. I was told in the other thread to take test with it? where do i fit it in, im just finishing up week one here soon, have 5 weeks left, and wanna know what to take with it, and when. Like the other thread, says im 19, but am looking for answers here to take this in the safest way, like before, not answering really isnt helping.

not answering may not be helping... but neither is taking them... your only hurting yourself... why would we help you do that?

[Amorphic]

what are your full stats?

bodyfat, training experience, diet, height, weight.

what is your pct and ancillary knowlege?

you are running winny alone so i assume you dont know how to use aas properly.

what doseage of winny are you taking?

it should be stacked with test.

to provide more insight, i suggest you drop the cycle now and list your stats and read up on proper cycling as you are embarking on a horrid cycle

[shifty_git]

what are your full stats?

bodyfat, training experience, diet, height, weight.

what is your pct and ancillary knowlege?

you are running winny alone so i assume you dont know how to use aas properly.

what doseage of winny are you taking?

it should be stacked with test.

to provide more insight, i suggest you drop the cycle now and list your stats and read up on proper cycling as you are embarking on a horrid cycle

Well said.

[ATL]

okay, now that is a response i can listen to, been to the gym for years, but took a year off, been back for a couple months. im 225 lbs, 5 10' a bit chunky, but thinning out. im taking 50mgs every second day. what would a cycle stacking winny with test look like? im also taking hydro lean. diet is

Meal one:
2 eggs one whole wheat english muffin, apple, 2-3 slices of ham

Meal Two:
Chicken breast, whole wheat fajita, cheese, 2 servings of vegetable

Meal Three:
Same as two but with 3 servings of vegetables

I try to make meal 2 or 3 a post workout meal, but if i cant ill add a shake or snack in there

[Amorphic]

okay, now that is a response i can listen to, been to the gym for years, but took a year off, been back for a couple months. im 225 lbs, 5 10' a bit chunky, but thinning out. im taking 50mgs every second day. what would a cycle stacking winny with test look like? im also taking hydro lean. diet is

Meal one:
2 eggs one whole wheat english muffin, apple, 2-3 slices of ham

Meal Two:
Chicken breast, whole wheat fajita, cheese, 2 servings of vegetable

Meal Three:
Same as two but with 3 servings of vegetables

I try to make meal 2 or 3 a post workout meal, but if i cant ill add a shake or snack in there

what is your planned pct? you didnt mention it.

[ATL]

i was thinking nolvadex, i dunno alot about post cycle therapy

[burton28]

dude, you need to do some major reading on AAS before u think u are ready to start a cycle!!! having a pct plan before you start is a must!! you dont start a cycle until you have it!! also, dont come onto this site and ask if your cycle is right after you have already started it. my thinkin for u is to give the rest of your winny to someone who knows how to use it and not waste it!!! you dont have the knowledge to be taking them!!

[ATL]

and im trying to gain knowledge by asking, how else do you get knowledge about this stuff then through peers? i am asking what a test/winny cycle will look like, as it seems many of you are not fans of just winny cycles, i will still be getting gains nonetheless, but apparently its not worth it unless winny is stacked by test?

[Dezeroth]

wow!! what are you taking for your liver?!?!

u know winny kills your liver!!

and you dont know anything about PCT?!?!?!?!?!

and your only 19 !?!?!

and your not stacking you winny !??!?!?!

ill pray for you.....

[shifty_git]

okay, now that is a response i can listen to, been to the gym for years, but took a year off, been back for a couple months. im 225 lbs, 5 10' a bit chunky, but thinning out. im taking 50mgs every second day. what would a cycle stacking winny with test look like? im also taking hydro lean. diet is

Meal one:
2 eggs one whole wheat english muffin, apple, 2-3 slices of ham

Meal Two:
Chicken breast, whole wheat fajita, cheese, 2 servings of vegetable

Meal Three:
Same as two but with 3 servings of vegetables

I try to make meal 2 or 3 a post workout meal, but if i cant ill add a shake or snack in there

Sorry to say this Bro,

Your cycle sucks,
Your diet sucks,
You knowledge of the powerful compounds you intend to use/are using sucks,
And your 2 young as you could be messing up your body for life.

Hit the diet forum and get a decent diet,
And check out the working out sections.. If your chunky as you say, cardio and diet is the way to go.
50mg of winny every other day then jumping on Test is a big mistake all round.

[ATL]

aha this whole site is so ****in criticial, all yall just criticize but dont give anythign for help, im not taking the tablets so it isnt passing through my liver twice. and if you have so much knowledge then put it to use and answer my question if not, then why are you posting?

[burton28]

Sorry to say this Bro,

Your cycle sucks,
Your diet sucks,
You knowledge of the powerful compounds you intend to use/are using sucks,
And your 2 young as you could be messing up your body for life.

Hit the diet forum and get a decent diet,
And check out the working out sections.. If your chunky as you say, cardio and diet is the way to go.
50mg of winny every other day then jumping on Test is a big mistake all round.

amen!!

[im83931]

and im trying to gain knowledge by asking, how else do you get knowledge about this stuff then through peers? i am asking what a test/winny cycle will look like, as it seems many of you are not fans of just winny cycles, i will still be getting gains nonetheless, but apparently its not worth it unless winny is stacked by test?

If you dont have pct lined up then you should stop the cycle now. That is the most important part.
I agree with Amorphic and Shifty. Your cycle is so broken it cant be fixed, it needs to be stopped.

[ATL]

never said i would jump on test, like the otehr guy said, scrap the whole cycle, and stack test with winny, but everyone is so critical and doesnt actually helpor answer questions, not everyone knows everything like apparently you all do. and i do cardio 4-5 times a week, im not lazy i know this isnt gonna make me skinny.

[ATL]

i am actually asking you guy what to do from SQUARE ONE, if i restarted, what should i do to improve upon this, buy some test? okay, so run test for how long? then run 5 weeks of winstrol, or? i am asking you all for help here, as a NEWBIE, so help me out, its not like im not asking question you all just talk shit and leave the thread,

[Dezeroth]

oh wow your a f**** jerk !!!

we're being critical bc we dont want you permanently damaging your ody for the rest of your life?!

yo uthink steroids is a miracle drug that is gonna make you swole like the hulk bc u inject it?!

wow kid, go educate yourself n F*** off, how dare u get mad bc we tell u taht this stuff is dangerous and you can seriously hurt yourself

do you know what Non-alcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH) or Nonalcoholic Fatty Liver Disease (NAFLD) or "cirrohsis" is????

like i said, i pray for you.... noob

[ATL]

you think im mad? no i think ur all critical, because instead of giving advice you just talk shit and then leave the thread. LIKE YOU JUST DID YOU DIPSHIT. its not like im walkin in here saying i know everything, i am here saying I DONT KNOW EVERYTHING AND WANT TO LEARN, so since i want to learn and am asking question like what am i doing wrong and what alterations can i make, you can not be critical and just answer the question. but i guess thats too hard for you eh?

[Dezeroth]

ok u want some advice?

1. throw away your winny

2. educate yourself and start a diet

3. get a workout routine in check and organized

4. educate yourself on the risks on using steroids if improperly used (learn about pct)

5. 1 year from today, start the cycle you deem adequate for the results your desiring

i hope this helps!! good luck buddy !!!!!!

[ATL]

see ur just tryin to get under my skin. i have a workout routin in check and organized, and all i need to do is make a couple changes to my diet. i understand the risks in using steroids improperly. so instead of throw it away, why not point me to a good test/winny cycle, give me a pointer or two, help me get knowledgable. im willing to listen if ur willing to help

[Samson4]

Winny only, won't give you much, but winny and test work together to give a nice solid muscle gain.

1-8 winny 100 eod
1-8 test prop 150 eod
1-8 arimidex 25mg-50mg ed
pct:
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Safe your winny, and get the rest of these and run a proper cycle. Do you participate in sports?

[Dezeroth]

lol you see, noobs never wanna listen

all they want is a quick answer, i knew you werent gonan take my advice, and so does everyone else in this forum... you see why we dont bother with ppl like you?

u wanna learn how to use steroids in 5minutes is what your looking for lmao

if that was possible, i can learn to be a doctor in 15min!! or a dentist in 4minutes and a pychologist in 13min!

[shifty_git]

aha this whole site is so ****in criticial, all yall just criticize but dont give anythign for help, im not taking the tablets so it isnt passing through my liver twice. and if you have so much knowledge then put it to use and answer my question if not, then why are you posting?

The advice given is spot on, sorry you don't like it

You need to understand how strong hormone compounds really are, and by taking them at your age you could seriously be damaging your self for life.

And yes we are critical, like for instance your diet sucks if you wanna be putting on quality muscle.
If were not critical and say 'yeah thats all kool bro' - how is that helping you?

You should be using the time while getting to the correct age to be using AAS researching and reading.

Stop any steroids you are taking now, and hit the diet forum and come up with a decent diet plan.

Thats good advice.

[sager85]

Well I agree with everyone above.. But dude why not just use Clen instead of winny??? Clen it dosed right will not have nearly the sides Winny does. No PCT, besides benardyl

[shifty_git]

Winny only, won't give you much, but winny and test work together to give a nice solid muscle gain.

1-8 winny 100 eod
1-8 test prop 150 eod
1-8 arimidex 25mg-50mg ed
pct:
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Safe your winny, and get the rest of these and run a proper cycle. Do you participate in sports?

You give advice to a 19 year old without even knowing his other stats?

Well done.

[im83931]

you think im mad? no i think ur all critical, because instead of giving advice you just talk shit and then leave the thread. LIKE YOU JUST DID YOU DIPSHIT. its not like im walkin in here saying i know everything, i am here saying I DONT KNOW EVERYTHING AND WANT TO LEARN, so since i want to learn and am asking question like what am i doing wrong and what alterations can i make, you can not be critical and just answer the question. but i guess thats too hard for you eh?

You have to realize that there are tons of these threads where someone is asking for a cycle. But that isnt how it works. You need to read alot of the info on here before you start.
Here is my advice.
1. You should stop your cycle.
2. You should read the steroid profiles.
3. Read everything on PCT you can.
4. Read the diet forums
5. Then propose a cycle that can be critiqued.
6. Search first cycle. (I will give you a hint- test e or c at 500 mg/week) proper pct will help you keep your gains and get your natural test production up and running.
7. Final comment: You are to young to start. You can get great results from diet and training.

[Dezeroth]

i did my first cycle last year.... but ive been researching for 1year prior to that

i was reading on the diet forum and also readin up on steroids for 1 year b4 i injected my first cycle

and ill tell you one thing, i would never, NEVER inject winny alone, not for any kinda money in the world

fyi, you should start with Test E, 500mg EW for about 8weeks

[sager85]

But I also agree with ATL some of you guys just bash people, he wants to hear what can work and the best way.. I still ask dumb questions but don't wanna hear about it from 30 guys. Dude seriously read more I keep learning more and more everday, everything u read other people will have a different veiw on.. I say put aside ur Winny dont toch test and just hit some Clen, and diet and work out real well..

[shifty_git]

I believe all this was stated in your last thread.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=339995

[ATL]

cool so i adjust some things, fact of the matter is i have question left unanswered and you all have said the same thing, ur diet sucks, or just winny sucks. so im asking if i were to take a test/winny cycle, how long would i run the test for. alterations to my diet is easy, i was thinking more protein in the monrning, and i assume another 2 meals, i will go to the diet forums and look around. but im asking how to cycle it properly, you understand that you are just talkin shit if ur not willing to give pointers right? tell me my cycle sucks, thats cool ill accept that, but then tell me what i can do to make it better.i have never turned down ur guys advice, i just wont be stoppin AAS use, so lets get over that. so show me how to make this a safe, better cycle that just winny.

[im83931]

I am done. I am just going to talk shit for the rest of the thread.

[Ashop]

started takin winny 5 days ago, but have been told that just winny cycles is a week. I was told in the other thread to take test with it? where do i fit it in, im just finishing up week one here soon, have 5 weeks left, and wanna know what to take with it, and when. Like the other thread, says im 19, but am looking for answers here to take this in the safest way, like before, not answering really isnt helping.

you ever had your natural levels tested>?

[shifty_git]

and im trying to gain knowledge by asking, how else do you get knowledge about this stuff then through peers? i am asking what a test/winny cycle will look like, as it seems many of you are not fans of just winny cycles, i will still be getting gains nonetheless, but apparently its not worth it unless winny is stacked by test?

Please realise we are trying to help you and to give advice for you to get the best results.

I read in your other thread your not sure of your BF% but your chunky.

So obviously your goal is to loose BF.

Steroids will not help with that goal, steroids will help with lean muscle growth on an already lean base.

If you are generally have a high BF% steroids will increase it, Not cut it.

Getting a proper diet that fits your need is the first thing to change, if you are already doing cardio keep it up, maybe even step it up.

Spend the next few years cutting BF and building natural muscle in the gym, and only then think of adding steroids into your regime.

[ATL]

Okay i found this diet

Meal 1: 9:00 am
one whole egg, 7 eggs white, whole wheat english muffin

Meal 2: 11:00 am
Protein shake

Meal 3: 1:00 pm
Chicken breast, whole wheat fajita, cheese, 2 servings of vegetable

Workout

Meal 4: 3:30ish

PWO Nutrition

Meal 5: 5:30-6 pm
Chicken breast, whole wheat fajita, cheese, 3 servings of vegetable

Meal 6: 8:00 pm
Shake with Flax

how is that for a diet, can i lose one of the shakes or keep it the way it is? are the times alright or should i be eating earlier or later?

And how is this cycle?

Test P at 75 mgs/ml every other day for six weeks
winstrol 50 mgs/ml every other day for six weeks
and then nolvadex immediately after the winstrol

how is that cycle, and should i go for 6 weeks of test p first and then finish it with winny or all at the same time, or is this just as bad as before?

[longhorn814]

youre not ready for steroids..they are not magic beans that will get you the results you think they will..you need to work on your diet as it is horrible..you will get better results just by improving your diet and training properly than taking steroids right now...FYI..winny needs to be taken every day and it doesnt matter if its oral or injected, it will still stress your liver AND even worse it will destroy your cholesterol profile in no time..you HDL is probably already close to 0 after one week and your LDL has probably gone up..these are side effects you probably arent aware of..you need to do a lot more educating yourself before you take anymore..besides at 19 your natural test levels are already high, take advantage of them and learn how to eat and train properly and save the steroids til your ready..like I said, theyre not magic beans..besides the people who benefit from winny, are people that are already somewhat lean..youre just wasting it too

[ATL]

even while doing and not doing all the stuff to raise HDL levels, it is still probably close to 0? even with the excercise, no smoking or drinking, some monosaturated fat increase, the weight loss and no trans fatty acids? and i will still be getting gains off it so it would not be a waste, and can someone critique that diet / cycle?

[Dezeroth]

lets put it this way........ if you actually know what your talking about and know what your doing, u would have a self realization of how dumb these questions are....

so obviously and LOGICALLY, by u ASKING these questions you are letting us all know that you have NO CLUE what you are doing.....

after you do your research, go back and re-read the threads you have started... yea, ull feel pretty dumb

Wheres Narc when you need him