Why did my cycle didn't work ?

[TallMan]

I did 500mg test and 400mg deca for about 10 weeks and just got a lot of water/fat. I gained 14 lbs and lost almost everything during pct.
Before cycle I was 215 lbs with 17% fat.
I ate about 4500kcals everyday in the form of meat,eggs,fish,pasta etc etc.
I do sitting work or don't work at all. I did split workout training on monday,wednesday,friday.

I'm pretty sure it was real stuff cause I wanted to **** every woman who looked nice, jacking of 5 times a day LOL. And I got some backhair nowadays.

[PT]

im glad to hear your jacking off 5 times a day bro but if you post a pic of your gear i'll let you know if its legit

[Jfew44]

^^

[TallMan]

im glad to hear your jacking off 5 times a day bro but if you post a pic of your gear i'll let you know if its legit

Why ? I had a libido increase by 500% and got very hairy, seems real right ?

edit: one moment I'm makeing a picture

[Deen54]

i'm doing the same cycle right now..10 weeks deca 400mg/wk
and 500mg/wk ..12 weeks test

i hope i don't lose it all.

[TallMan]

I attached the image

[Overhaulz]

I did 500mg test and 400mg deca for about 10 weeks and just got a lot of water/fat. I gained 14 lbs and lost almost everything during pct.
Before cycle I was 215 lbs with 17% fat.
I ate about 4500kcals everyday in the form of meat,eggs,fish,pasta etc etc.
I do sitting work or don't work at all. I did split workout training on monday,wednesday,friday.

I'm pretty sure it was real stuff cause I wanted to **** every woman who looked nice, jacking of 5 times a day LOL. And I got some backhair nowadays.

What exactly did your PCT consist of?

[TallMan]

What exactly did your PCT consist of?

anthony roberst pct replacing the aromasin with proviron

[rockinred]

I would say it had to do with diet and training regime..... Also, have you measured your BF? maybe you lost some BF while at the same time losing some weight?

Look at all angles... also, sounds like it was legit gear just looking at the surface... everyone gets affected somewhat differently by the compounds. maybe it was way underdosed, etc... lots of factors to consider. I will say it had to do mostly with diet and weightlifting.... was your stregnth going through the roof?

[TallMan]

I would say it had to do with diet and training regime..... Also, have you measured your BF? maybe you lost some BF while at the same time losing some weight?

Look at all angles... also, sounds like it was legit gear just looking at the surface... everyone gets affected somewhat differently by the compounds. maybe it was way underdosed, etc... lots of factors to consider. I will say it had to do mostly with diet and weightlifting.... was your stregnth going through the roof?

not really, I could move a little more pounds than I used to, but nothing special.

next time I'll eat 6000 kcals and def gonna add some anti-estrogen so I won;t bloat that much

[rockinred]

Well, I don't know if you should eat 6000... that might not be the answer, and be bad advice, maybe it is the answer??? At 17% I wouldn't push more cals. A lot say their diet is good etc, yet when really broken down it is not structured to maximize gains quite as well as anticipated. Still you should have kept something unless you changed on post cycle and went back to a bad diet and different lifting intensity level.

Know one can tell you a definitive answer to this.. there are too many variables. Your stregnth should have shot up at a minimum. The only time my stregnth didn't go up as much is when I was taking L-dex while on cycle. Kept the bloat down, but the stregnth wasn't coming like it should.

More lifting/heavy, more food, more anabolic, more proetein synthesis = more muscle.

Good luck next time.

[binder]

ya, something isn't adding up. You listed what your diet consisted of but it matters how much and at what times you eat. Plus it matters what kind. mcdonald's chicken biscuit isn't substitued for your chicken meal.

The lack of strength thing is what is making me think the gear was bad. You might have had some, but i think it was bunk and underdosed. That stack should have added some good strength while you were on it at the minimum.

[TallMan]

ya, something isn't adding up. You listed what your diet consisted of but it matters how much and at what times you eat. Plus it matters what kind. mcdonald's chicken biscuit isn't substitued for your chicken meal.

The lack of strength thing is what is making me think the gear was bad. You might have had some, but i think it was bunk and underdosed. That stack should have added some good strength while you were on it at the minimum.

no no I understand what you're saying but I wasn't eating junk or anything

As for the gear, I'm not sure if it's good stuff or not cause I got sides like bloat,insane libido, increased hairgrowth and rash on my back. But I didn't notice much more than that. A little more muscle and a little more strenght.
When I saw my train-buddy a few weeks ago after not seeing him since before my cycle he said I had some more back and chest muscle going on.

I am thinking of two other things:

My fat percentage was about 17% or maybe 18% allready when I started out. Could it be that I had a lot of testo to estro conversion enzymes cause of that ?

Or could I just be a non responder and need to use more than others ?
Explains why I get sides and not much gains.

[one8nine]

everyone is overlooking the 3 day workout split- you need a lot of intensity for that to suffice
also at 17% you were aromatizing heavily... with no ai
my guess is your estrogen through the roof hindering gains, with not enough gym time to boot

[one8nine]

imo 11% is the limit for cycling- and always use an ai

[Dog-Slime]

Did your balls shrink? Deca should have them pretty small by the end of the first couple weeks.

[MR_T]

I did 500mg test and 400mg deca for about 10 weeks and just got a lot of water/fat. I gained 14 lbs and lost almost everything during pct.
Before cycle I was 215 lbs with 17% fat.
I ate about 4500kcals everyday in the form of meat,eggs,fish,pasta etc etc.
I do sitting work or don't work at all. I did split workout training on monday,wednesday,friday.

I'm pretty sure it was real stuff cause I wanted to **** every woman who looked nice, jacking of 5 times a day LOL. And I got some backhair nowadays.

post up your typical diet and workout routine, a little birdy told me the problem might be there, also how tall are you?

[TallMan]

Did your balls shrink? Deca should have them pretty small by the end of the first couple weeks.

no not at all, but I was told not everyone gets that

post up your typical diet and workout routine, a little birdy told me the problem might be there, also how tall are you?

monday = chest/triceps
wednesday = back/biceps
friday = legs

I'm 6.56 ft tall.

9:00
wheyshake + 100 gram cruesli

12:00
6 eggs + noodles

15:00
200 gram chicken + rice

18:00
whatever my wife cooks (usually very good)

21:00
6 eggs + noodles

23:00
500 gram kwark (liqued cheese stuff)

[RANA]

no not at all, but I was told not everyone gets that



monday = chest/triceps
wednesday = back/biceps
friday = legs

I'm 6.56 ft tall.

9:00
wheyshake + 100 gram cruesli

12:00
6 eggs + noodles

15:00
200 gram chicken + rice

18:00
whatever my wife cooks (usually very good)

21:00
6 eggs + noodles

23:00
500 gram kwark (liqued cheese stuff)

I am not trying to be an ass but I think your diet sucks, especially considering your BF%. When you are on you cycle you should totally focus on your diet, this makes a difference in your overall gains. Stay away from pastas/noodles and what the hell is kwark? Why are you eating kwark at 2300 hours, you should be eating cottage cheese. Like I said I am not trying to be a ass but you need to read up on your diet.
How many grams of protein are you getting a day?

[scibble]

what the hell is kwark? Why are you eating kwark at 2300 hours, you should be eating cottage cheese.

Basically, kwark IS cottage cheese.

[RANA]

Basically, kwark IS cottage cheese.

Damn, I guess I learned something new today. I just read up on it.

[TallMan]

I am not trying to be an ass but I think your diet sucks, especially considering your BF%. When you are on you cycle you should totally focus on your diet, this makes a difference in your overall gains. Stay away from pastas/noodles and what the hell is kwark? Why are you eating kwark at 2300 hours, you should be eating cottage cheese. Like I said I am not trying to be a ass but you need to read up on your diet.
How many grams of protein are you getting a day?

Back then about 400 grams. Nowadays about 300 grams.

I believe kwark is not totally the same as cottage cheese but I think it's comparable. About 50 grams of protein per cup and almost nothing else. That's why I eat it at 23:00.

These days I'm almost eating at Anabolic Diet style. Most meals only concist of protein and fat except for breakfast and supper. I think I'm at 15% now feel a lot better hehe

[ironaddict69]

Well being 215 at 6'5 basically tells me that you either haven't been training long, or your diet is poor.

[TallMan]

Well being 215 at 6'5 basically tells me that you either haven't been training long, or your diet is poor.

I started out at 143 lbs about 1,5 years ago.

[nhl1]

6'5" and 143 lbs? lol, are u serious? I mean seriously, that is like anorexically skinny. When I was 21 years old and on my ecstacy kick where I probably ate maybe 500-800 calories a day and that was on a good day, I was 143 lbs. And I was a twig and I'm only 6'00 tall. Sorry it just doesnt sound like something adds up there, to be 143 lbs at 6'5" you would probably be to unhealthy to even lift a barbell.

But anyways, my guess is that gear that you showed looks pretty generic to me and I've never heard of it. It was probably heavily underdosed and the reason you even gained 14lbs was because you upped your caloric intake and started drinking more water.

If you are on real gear and your taking a deca/test stack, you will start feeling good strength gains around week 2 to 4 and by week 5 you will feel like you can break through walls. Your gear was no good, simple as that.

The hair growth and increased libido could have been psychological, you were taking gear and therefore you happen to notice hair that wasn't there before and you felt like you should have more sex drive so you did. Unless you're one of those extremely rare people whos body just doesn't respond to gear theres no way you wouldnt feel it.

[N*E*R*D]

wow bro you gained 59 pounds in half a year naturally?

[N*E*R*D]

Actually it look like you gained 87 pounds in 12 months?

How did you do that tall man? please explain im definately interested in how i can gain that much so quickly?

[N*E*R*D]

I smell something *sniff sniff* bs

[BadBarbie]

I smell something *sniff sniff* bs

why are you so obnoxious 24/7. get off people's shit. it's a bit excessive, kind of stalker potential.

My favorite part of this thread is the title...
Why did my cycle didn't work? niicceee. i like.

See Jokers99, this is constructive critisism. If i wanted to be an abnoxious A$$hole I would say something like...
WOw you retard, where did you go to school? hmm.. now I think you are a liar faker.. hmm.. hmm..

[one8nine]

why are you so obnoxious 24/7. get off people's shit. it's a bit excessive, kind of stalker potential.

My favorite part of this thread is the title...
Why did my cycle didn't work? niicceee. i like.

See Jokers99, this is constructive critisism. If i wanted to be an abnoxious A$$hole I would say something like...
WOw you retard, where did you go to school? hmm.. now I think you are a liar faker.. hmm.. hmm..

i hope the admin bans you for your trash talk

[BadBarbie]

i hope the admin bans you for your trash talk

Watch it. I know where you sleep.

[3dgamer]

Yup- Somethin don't add up...
If no strength gain- I say the gear is highly suspect...

[N*E*R*D]

One year and 2 months ago he weighed 191lbs at 8%bf>>> http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=301423

6 months ago he weighed 220lbs>>> http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=329728

So 14 months ago he weighed 191lbs, he said 18 months ago he weighed 143 lbs,so he gained 48 lbs naturally in 4 months?

So alltogether in 12 months he went from 143lbs to 220lbs, so after the 4 months of gaining 48 lbs he gained a further 29 lbs in 2 months, and it seems he did it all naturally as of at least may last year he hadnt even started a cycle.

Hmmmmmm

[TallMan]

One year and 2 months ago he weighed 191lbs at 8%bf>>> http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=301423

6 months ago he weighed 220lbs>>> http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=329728

So 14 months ago he weighed 191lbs, he said 18 months ago he weighed 143 lbs,so he gained 48 lbs naturally in 4 months?

So alltogether in 12 months he went from 143lbs to 220lbs, so after the 4 months of gaining 48 lbs he gained a further 29 lbs in 2 months, and it seems he did it all naturally as of at least may last year he hadnt even started a cycle.

Hmmmmmm

Thanks for the investigation Sherlock. It seems my memory sucks

I'm not tryna fvck with ya'll. I just thought it was so. Sorry !

edit: I think I started training again 2 years ago when I put it all together.
Sorry again! I'm really not tryna bullshit you I'm just not very organized in the head.

[PT]

Thanks for the investigation Sherlock. It seems my memory sucks

I'm not tryna fvck with ya'll. I just thought it was so. Sorry !

well said bro. you didnt try to avoid this like others have in the past when being called out and i respect that.

[TallMan]

well said bro. you didnt try to avoid this like others have in the past when being called out and i respect that.

thanks bro, I aprreciate you're saying this

[PT]

wow that was some pretty good investigating

[N*E*R*D]

I used to read a lot b4 i became a member and remembered a post of his and i thought something was up when i seen this

[one8nine]

wwwwttttfff

[ironaddict69]

Hes not being sherlock holmes and Im sure I speak for all of us when I say we don't appreciate the lying. You say 140, then your 220, now your BACK to 215 post cycle. I don't understand the logic, maybe you dont either, being as for us to help it would require honest facts.

Anyway, I personally think you gained due to increased cals. I remember right when I first started bulking about 4 years ago, I gained 40 lbs naturally the first year. I was far from fat too, even then I was accused of steroid use. Cals can really do it people underestimate the utmost importance of diet. Try to get some more gains naturally first being as you should weigh at least 240 at that height, then get some good gear, which I never even figured out how to do on here, but I go thru my dr so whatever.