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[andyb250r]

jhhhhhhhhhh

[stallion_1]

if ur gonna shoot sus 3 days per week it should be kept constant, some people say they get good results by just splitting the dose twice per week.
deca can be split twice per week two. deca must be stopped two weeks prior to last shot of sus. ur doing pct right

[one8nine]

hey guys. i just wanted to know if anyone could help me with my cycle. i plan on starting next week.im 25 years old 6'0 and about 210 BF is around 14% flat. i have been training 5 days a week for about 5 years and have seem to hit a wall. my cycle is going to consist of 600mgs of deca/week and 500mgs of sust 250 for 10 weeks.

I plan on this cycle:

Moday- 1cc deca/300mgs, .75cc of sust/185mgs

wensday .50 sust/ 125mgs

Friday 1cc deca/300mgs, .75cc of sust/ 185mgs

Any suggestions on changing my dosage or is this good? feedback is greatly appreciated

no no no sust sucks
and you cant skip sust days like that

Test Beginner Cycle Guide
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

tag team partner (phate's) starter pack
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kale's starter pack
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my (one8nine's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

also with 14% bf i think you have a bad diet

[stallion_1]

no no no sust sucks
and you cant skip sust days like that

bro just coz u dont like sus does not mean it sucks
people have gotten good results by just shooting sus 2 days per week when it is under 1 gram

[one8nine]

bro just coz u dont like sus does not mean it sucks
people have gotten good results by just shooting sus 2 days per week when it is under 1 gram

nearly everything on here is opinion
i think it sucks
people get good results with deca only, should we recommend that?

[stallion_1]

nearly everything on here is opinion
i think it sucks
people get good results with deca only, should we recommend that?

lets ask arnie

[one8nine]

lets ask arnie

well shit lets just shut down the whole forum down if anyone should do any cycle any way who needs advice

[stallion_1]

well shit lets just shut down the whole forum down if anyone should do any cycle any way who needs advice

moving on......

[andyb250r]

Thanks for the help stallion. i was first planning on shooting sus twice per week but someone said that it should be shot every other day due to the prop in it?

[stallion_1]

Thanks for the help stallion. i was first planning on shooting sus twice per week but someone said that it should be shot every other day due to the prop in it?

yea, but ur doing less than 1 gram of test and 30 mg of prop wont really make a lot of difference

id shoot it 2 per week, like mon and thurs that way u save pins

but if ur doing like 1 gram of more of test which i dont recommend u do now, then its better to take advantage of all the esters and shoot it eod but ull get good results if u pin twice per week, also split the deca twice per week and member to stop the deca 2 weeks prior to ur last test shot

whats ur pct look like

[andyb250r]

i was planning on 25mg of nolva for the last 2 weeks of my cycle then running the same for 4 weeks post cycle?

also do you think 14%bf is too high to start a cycle?

[stallion_1]

i was planning on 25mg of nolva for the last 2 weeks of my cycle then running the same for 4 weeks post cycle?

also do you think 14%bf is too high to start a cycle?

thats a bad pct, u never use nolva on cycle and u need also something else like clomid or hcg

14% is kinda high, not too high but high
10%-12% would be optimal
less than 10% is the best but not a lot of newbies fall under here

[stallion_1]

can u get clomid or hcg for ur pct??

[andyb250r]

yes i can deff get clomid. not sure about hcg.

[burnin69]

I would run a higher test amount then deca. mabye 200mg sus eod if your gonna run the sus then take advantage of the prop even if its a small amount. the deca 500mg p/w. Also I like HCG in small amounts 250iu-500iu every 3rd or 4th day about 4wks into the cycle till the end, atleast with a long acting ester. And I agree with saving your nolva for your pct. And i dont know mabye I missed it but if this is your first cycle you'd be alot better off running a single long acting ester test only ex. cyp or eth.

[one8nine]

yea, but ur doing less than 1 gram of test and 30 mg of prop wont really make a lot of difference

id shoot it 2 per week, like mon and thurs that way u save pins

but if ur doing like 1 gram of more of test which i dont recommend u do now, then its better to take advantage of all the esters and shoot it eod but ull get good results if u pin twice per week, also split the deca twice per week and member to stop the deca 2 weeks prior to ur last test shot

whats ur pct look like

and 30mg of phenylprop
so 60mg short esters

so just pretend the short esters are not there?
so just pretend its 190mg/ml of long esters?

this is such terrible advice

[stallion_1]

hey guys. i just wanted to know if anyone could help me with my cycle. i plan on starting next week.im 25 years old 6'0 and about 210 BF is around 14% flat. i have been training 5 days a week for about 5 years and have seem to hit a wall. my cycle is going to consist of 600mgs of deca/week and 500mgs of sust 250 for 10 weeks.

I plan on this cycle:

Moday- 1cc deca/300mgs, .75cc of sust/185mgs

wensday .50 sust/ 125mgs

Friday 1cc deca/300mgs, .75cc of sust/ 185mgs

Any suggestions on changing my dosage or is this good? feedback is greatly appreciated

well u want ur cycle to look something like this then

week 1-12 500 mg of sust per week split into two shots is ok
week 1-10 500 mg of deca per wekk split into two shots
week 15-16 40 mg of nolva ed 100 mg of clomid ed
week 17-18 20 mg of nolva ed 50 mg of clomid ed

[one8nine]

well u want ur cycle to look something like this then

week 1-12 500 mg of sust per week split into two shots is ok
week 1-10 600 mg of deca per wekk split into two shots
week 15-16 40 mg of nolva ed 100 mg of clomid ed
week 17-18 20 mg of nolva ed 50 mg of clomid ed

if youre just going to pretend that it has no short esters WHY USE IT
use something that is ALL long ester, not something you have to PRETEND is long ester

[stallion_1]

if youre just going to pretend that it has no short esters WHY USE IT
use something that is ALL long ester, not something you have to PRETEND is long ester

bro im not pretending is long ester,ive just seen dudes get good results from 2 shots when its 500 mg

[one8nine]

bro im not pretending is long ester,ive just seen dudes get good results from 2 shots when its 500 mg

youre pretending that 2 of the esters are not there if you think thats okay

[andyb250r]

stallion: thanks for the advice once again. the cycle you just sent me was done by my best friend last year with 2 shots of each per week and he had great results.

[LATS60]

no no no sust sucks
and you cant skip sust days like that

Test Beginner Cycle Guide
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

tag team partner (phate's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355504

kale's starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179

my (one8nine's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

also with 14% bf i think you have a bad diet

PMSL Sooooooo much,

[stallion_1]

youre pretending that 2 of the esters are not there if you think thats okay

dude i know what ur point is trust me, ur point is to try to have the testosterone levels as stable as possible, and thats why professionals will even sometimes shoot themselves twice per week because they look at their half lives and try to make some reasong out of the data that will try to guarantee more stable levels and maybe even better results. i know u look at sustanon from the scientific point of view and see that it has several esters that are realesed at different times and that peak at different times and think that this will provide unstable levels, thus ur choice of hating sustanon.
but a lot of these folks are not professionals, they dont have the ability to be injecting ed or eod. sometimes sustanon is all they can get, now since not a lot of these people have done gear they will get good results even if injecting sustanon at two times per week. ive seen it, ive seen dudes gain 20 pounds of mass in a cycle of sustanon, they dont have the best pct, or the best diet but they get stronger and get to keep most of the gains. now professionals will try to keep their levels more stable since they have done tons of cycles and their bodies need higher doses, now when we talk about higher doeses then i agree with u about trying to keep levels stable.. but when its 500 mg of sus. it will not make much of a difference.

[stallion_1]

stallion: thanks for the advice once again. the cycle you just sent me was done by my best friend last year with 2 shots of each per week and he had great results.

no worries bro

[Rugger02]

and 30mg of phenylprop
so 60mg short esters

so just pretend the short esters are not there?
so just pretend its 190mg/ml of long esters?

this is such terrible advice

I thought the same, but I thought it was because I'm still rather ignorant....?

[one8nine]

dude i know what ur point is trust me, ur point is to try to have the testosterone levels as stable as possible, and thats why professionals will even sometimes shoot themselves twice per week because they look at their half lives and try to make some reasong out of the data that will try to guarantee more stable levels and maybe even better results. i know u look at sustanon from the scientific point of view and see that it has several esters that are realesed at different times and that peak at different times and think that this will provide unstable levels, thus ur choice of hating sustanon.
but a lot of these folks are not professionals, they dont have the ability to be injecting ed or eod. sometimes sustanon is all they can get, now since not a lot of these people have done gear they will get good results even if injecting sustanon at two times per week. ive seen it, ive seen dudes gain 20 pounds of mass in a cycle of sustanon, they dont have the best pct, or the best diet but they get stronger and get to keep most of the gains. now professionals will try to keep their levels more stable since they have done tons of cycles and their bodies need higher doses, now when we talk about higher doeses then i agree with u about trying to keep levels stable.. but when its 500 mg of sus. it will not make much of a difference.

good post but just because some people "get away with it" doesnt mean its okay for us to advise us to use them incorrectly
we should be advising the best way, not the "eh... okay... this should work way"

[one8nine]

I thought the same, but I thought it was because I'm still rather ignorant....?

what does this post mean?

[catdog]

i would run a higher test amount then deca. Mabye 200mg sus eod if your gonna run the sus then take advantage of the prop even if its a small amount. The deca 500mg p/w. Also i like hcg in small amounts 250iu-500iu every 3rd or 4th day about 4wks into the cycle till the end, atleast with a long acting ester. And i agree with saving your nolva for your pct. And i dont know mabye i missed it but if this is your first cycle you'd be alot better off running a single long acting ester test only ex. Cyp or eth.

bingo> perfect

[LATS60]

bro im not pretending is long ester,ive just seen dudes get good results from 2 shots when its 500 mg

And let there be light, i got great results and minimal sides when shooting 1g sust once wk and 500mg deca once wk.

[Rugger02]

what does this post mean?

I didn't think you would split anything with a short ester into two shots per week. Only with long esters, otherwise it's ed or eod.....

I guess I missed something somewhere along the line lol

[one8nine]

And let there be light, i got great results and minimal sides when shooting 1g sust once wk and 500mg deca once wk.

but what if you shot 250mg eod?
you wouldnt have gotten BETTER results?
or LESS sides?

[one8nine]

I didn't think you would split anything with a short ester into two shots per week. Only with long esters, otherwise it's ed or eod.....

I guess I missed something somewhere along the line lol

oh okay
right
the intelligent thing to do would use something with short esters as if it ACTUALLY HAS short esters?

[Rugger02]

oh okay
right
the intelligent thing to do would use something with short esters as if it ACTUALLY HAS short esters?

Yah that's what i was getting at. I hate to give any advise at this point tho. Everythings still hypothetical to me lol

[stallion_1]

good post but just because some people "get away with it" doesnt mean its okay for us to advise us to use them incorrectly
we should be advising the best way, not the "eh... okay... this should work way"

that cycle is not the eh....okay....this. that cycle will yield good results. thats why when getting advice for aas, we usually asked for previous ass experience since as the body goes through aas, the cycles need to be modified to maximize results. but if he focuses on diet and pct. i guaradamnntee u hell get good results.

[LATS60]

i know u look at sustanon from the scientific point of view and see that it has several esters that are realesed at different times and that peak at different times and think that this will provide unstable levels, thus ur choice of hating sustanon.
.

The esters aren't released at different times and certainly don't peak at different times, they all release at the same time, it's just that the duration of action is different between the esters

[stallion_1]

And let there be light, i got great results and minimal sides when shooting 1g sust once wk and 500mg deca once wk.

tell that to one8nine, maybe hell listen once and for all

[one8nine]

that cycle is not the eh....okay....this. that cycle will yield good results. thats why when getting advice for aas, we usually asked for previous ass experience since as the body goes through aas, the cycles need to be modified to maximize results. but if he focuses on diet and pct. i guaradamnntee u hell get good results.

guaradamnntee he wont get BETTER results eod?

[one8nine]

The esters aren't released at different times and certainly don't peak at different times, they all release at the same time, it's just that the duration of action is different between the esters

the prop and pprop quickly dump their test into the blood stream, it gets high, then lowers some before the iso fully pushes all the test out then lowers a little before the decano pushes the test past where it was

[stallion_1]

hey one8nine, remember i once told u that theory differs from practice n reality.

theory might tell u this is the way to be done, but sadly in practice is not always true.

after getting the theory behind a medice, clinical trials or practice are done to see if that theory shall indeed apply to reality.

[LATS60]

but what if you shot 250mg eod?
you wouldnt have gotten BETTER results?
or LESS sides?

No difference, apart from the supraphysiological peaks, and the sub physiological troughs, you wouldn't shoot E or cyp EOD so why sust, the idea of shooting sust EOD would be pointless, you might as well use prop.