Sustanon and Deca Cycle

[medicjack]

Sustanon 500mg/wk, Deca 100mg/wk for a 10-wk cycle. Clomid and Novaldex on hand.

Male, 26, 5'10, 186lbs, 13%BF, training x 5 yrs. workout 5x/week.

Exercise and diet all perfect.

Question: on this cycle, obvious gains, or do the doses need tweaking (specifically, for the deca w/o getting "deca dick"?)? or does it sound acceptable for moderate gain/mass?

[Ashop]

Sustanon 500mg/wk, Deca 100mg/wk for a 10-wk cycle. Clomid and Novaldex on hand.

Male, 26, 5'10, 186lbs, 13%BF, training x 5 yrs. workout 5x/week.

Exercise and diet all perfect.

Question: on this cycle, obvious gains, or do the doses need tweaking (specifically, for the deca w/o getting "deca dick"?)? or does it sound acceptable for moderate gain/mass?

I would suggest bumping the DECA up to at least 2mg per pound of bodyweight,,,for you around 400mg per wk.

[seriousmass]

Sustanon 500mg/wk, Deca 100mg/wk for a 10-wk cycle. Clomid and Novaldex on hand.

Male, 26, 5'10, 186lbs, 13%BF, training x 5 yrs. workout 5x/week.

Exercise and diet all perfect.

Question: on this cycle, obvious gains, or do the doses need tweaking (specifically, for the deca w/o getting "deca dick"?)? or does it sound acceptable for moderate gain/mass?

Where the hell did you get 100mg/wk of deca?! That's retarded. You're going to shut down completely. 100mg of deca = 90% shutdown from ONE injection.

I'd like to know what your cycle experience is...

And why did you choose these compounds? What're your goals?

Also, what is your injection scheduling?

[medicjack]

"shutdown"?

looking to bulk.

[*RAGE*]

first if you are going to do deca I hope this is not your cycle. Second you need to stop your deca two weeks before your last sus shot. third you need a AI around. I would say do a little more research before you start....good luck

[medicjack]

haven't started yet, but this is what i have. im thinking of cutting Deca out entirely and just use the sust. but deca was recommended for bulking. i had planned to shoot each once/week. multi injections @ once dont bother me.

[seriousmass]

"shutdown"?

looking to bulk.

This is your first cycle?! seriously..

shut down your NATURAL TESTOSTRONE PRODUCTION.

K. Here... Do not cycle. That cycle you proposed is not for a newbie. You're going to really hurt yourself. I just read some of your other posts, and you need to do a lot more research. Honestly... you don't have a clue.

I'm not going to help / I doubt any other member will help you plan out this ridiculous cycle. Just look up Test - E, or C. Peace.

[seriousmass]

haven't started yet, but this is what i have. im thinking of cutting Deca out entirely and just use the sust. but deca was recommended for bulking. i had planned to shoot each once/week. multi injections @ once dont bother me.

You have to shoot Sust EOD. You should be injecting it 4 times a week.

Sust and Why you SHOULDN’T USE IT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=524

You should probably read this. Might be enlightening.

[medicjack]

lol, how encouraging.

im doing the cycle whether u disadvise it or not (increasing the Deca), so may as well answer my questions to help. ive talked to many "newbies" on the same cycle w/ TERRIFIC results.

[Matt]

Dude its your body, do what you want but your cycle is a poor one, as eveyone says you need to look at test e/c and thats it..

[medicjack]

read it already. and then read it again. been in and out of this forum, covered every inch, for months now. researched the steroid profiles, talked to many users ... in fact, studied AS for over 1 yr before i made the decision to start.

again, im sticking to this cycle, altho may decide to either increase the deca or omit it completely. my question was clearly stated in my original post. so, try answering it.

[seriousmass]

lol, how encouraging.

im doing the cycle whether u disadvise it or not (increasing the Deca), so may as well answer my questions to help. ive talked to many "newbies" on the same cycle w/ TERRIFIC results.

I could care less really. Hurt your body.

I can't wait to hear from you in 9 months. "AHH i'm a bald freak, with permanent deca-dick, and i have prostate cancer" lol.

have a good cycle.

[seriousmass]

Dude its your body, do what you want but your cycle is a poor one, as eveyone says you need to look at test e/c and thats it..

It's fine man. He's an expert. He's been researching for a year now.

It's amazing what you've managed to retain in a year. You don't even know what shut-down is. lol. you're full of S**T kid.

[medicjack]

test is test. im not (historically) prone to baldness, and have a rx for propecia just in case. prostate cancer is one of the highest treatable cancers, and can be removed, and deca dick isnt permanent. it can be easily reversed, if it happens at all, if i decide to take it.

sustanon 500mg/wk will show marked gains.

[*RAGE*]

It's fine man. He's an expert. He's been researching for a year now.

It's amazing what you've managed to retain in a year. You don't even know what shut-down is. lol. you're full of S**T kid.

what a dumb A**, why why do they even ask

[seriousmass]

I'm glad you've got it figured out good luck with that cycle.

Have fun with the retarded acne you'll get from injecting 500mg once a week buds.

[seriousmass]

what a dumb A**, why why do they even ask

I don't get it. I actually don't understand it. He came on here to ask questions. I gave him all the answers he didn't wanna hear.. so he just says he'll do it anyways. "fvck it.. i don't care about my body" lol wtf is wrong with people nowadays?

[medicjack]

just re-read the "why not to take sust" thread and, despite 3/4 of it being idiots fighting back and forth over who knows more, its still not discouraging me. the debate is test-e vs sustanon, and how test-e is just as effective, so why bother with sust?

its a small clique of ppl who dont like it, and a small clique who do, and each is arguing why and why not to take it.

all AS have s/e, most of them extreme. its the risk opted to be taken. and, as stated in all of these threads over and over again, each person reacts differently, if at all. bottom line: test is test, and with proper diet, test will produce muscle gains.

this forum is the more experienced juicers (or those who think they are because they paraphrase the material from websites in an attempt to look experienced) beating newbies instead of answering a simple question (mine still not being answered, did u notice?). a newbie just turned on to steroids is going to do it, your opinions or not, so why not just answer the friggin questions? it was very simple, and i asked for no further comment or critique: will the cycle ive chosen SHOW GAINS. simple yes and no. i didnt ask for the s/e, or if any of them would make me "retarded" (btw, what an intelligent adjective ... tell me, do u write poetry and dissertate at your master's degree level education?).

[medicjack]

just re-read the "why not to take sust" thread and, despite 3/4 of it being idiots fighting back and forth over who knows more, its still not discouraging me. the debate is test-e vs sustanon, and how test-e is just as effective, so why bother with sust?

its a small clique of ppl who dont like it, and a small clique who do, and each is arguing why and why not to take it.

all AS have s/e, most of them extreme. its the risk opted to be taken. and, as stated in all of these threads over and over again, each person reacts differently, if at all. bottom line: test is test, and with proper diet, test will produce muscle gains.

this forum is the more experienced juicers (or those who think they are because they paraphrase the material from websites in an attempt to look experienced) beating newbies instead of answering a simple question (mine still not being answered, did u notice?). a newbie just turned on to steroids is going to do it, your opinions or not, so why not just answer the friggin questions? it was very simple, and i asked for no further comment or critique: will the cycle ive chosen SHOW GAINS. simple yes and no. i didnt ask for the s/e, or if any of them would make me "retarded" (btw, what an intelligent adjective ... tell me, do u write poetry and dissertate at your master's degree level education?).

[medicjack]

and as for the s/e like acne and prostate CA and impotence? leave them to a physician to handle. if me, or anyone for that matter, experiences any signs or symptoms of such s/e, they should consult their MD, NOT the steroid forum users! the forum is here, along with its posters, to answer questions re: STEROID USE. ill take care of them myself between my Dr. IF i experience them. so if you discourage sustanon for that, ur wasting your breath. again, test is test is test, and muscle is produced on test.

[oneshot]

no doubt that it is a poor cycle, but no need to be @ssholes. you should be thankful that he came here to ask for advice before he started, rather than making fun of him.

medic- i suggest you do a bit more research, primarily on pct, before you start. most will recommend a test only first cycle, but that is entirely your call. If you run the deca, definitely bump it up to 400 or so. 100 mg per week is nothing, and will shut you down just the same as 400

[Banelord]

I had done Test E 500 mg and Deca 275 mg a week and there was gains, but the gains are hard to keep, but if u really work at it, your natural base will be better, but u have to increase the workout like 100%. Take advantage of the increase in bulk and streigth. Once u come off it, u need HCG, Proviron and clomid or else it going to be bad.
I love deca, it a wonderful drug, on it own it not that great but do it with test and wow it something else.

[seriousmass]

just re-read the "why not to take sust" thread and, despite 3/4 of it being idiots fighting back and forth over who knows more, its still not discouraging me. the debate is test-e vs sustanon, and how test-e is just as effective, so why bother with sust?

its a small clique of ppl who dont like it, and a small clique who do, and each is arguing why and why not to take it.

all AS have s/e, most of them extreme. its the risk opted to be taken. and, as stated in all of these threads over and over again, each person reacts differently, if at all. bottom line: test is test, and with proper diet, test will produce muscle gains.

this forum is the more experienced juicers (or those who think they are because they paraphrase the material from websites in an attempt to look experienced) beating newbies instead of answering a simple question (mine still not being answered, did u notice?). a newbie just turned on to steroids is going to do it, your opinions or not, so why not just answer the friggin questions? it was very simple, and i asked for no further comment or critique: will the cycle ive chosen SHOW GAINS. simple yes and no. i didnt ask for the s/e, or if any of them would make me "retarded" (btw, what an intelligent adjective ... tell me, do u write poetry and dissertate at your master's degree level education?).

lol retarded was one of the few words that adequately described you.

You're a thick-headed moron. We've given you the advice. Are you going to make gains? OBVIOUSLY. wtf do you want me to say? I thought you were well-read.

And don't talk to me about acting overly educated blah blah blah. You're a goof, who will not listen to GOOD advice. The reason Sust isn't good for 1st timers is because there are 4 different esters in it. what happens if you react badly to one of them?? YOU WILL NEVER know which one your body didn't like. and will not be able to avoid it in the future.

You're putting your body through puberty x 100. I don't understand how someone can be so ignorant.

[medicjack]

Banelord and Oneshot: thank you. thank you again. think i should start sustanton, order test-e in the meantime, and start the test-e when it comes it, and drop the sust? is deca that much helpful in improving/accelerating gains, or will the sust or test-e do just as good? email me directly if you'd like. we'll keep it away from the meat head's who wanna play Dr. Steroid.

[medicjack]

Father Seriousmass, i will use the sustanon 500mg./week until test-E comes in @ 500mg/wk for the rest of the 10 week cycle. as usual, this forum can never come to one conclusion since 1/2 say this would work, the other 1/2 not. what is your opinion, oh great one?

[Banelord]

The thing is I do not know if sus 250 is a good idea, because of how it made up, each shot only has 30 mg of Test prop, the rest have different release time. I know this, if the level in your blood change a lot there will be sides. When I did the Test E there was very little side, only near the end there was some small amount of acne. I think it because my level were stable. I do not know if that will be the case with sus 250. I'll tell u want work for me. Front loading with Test P for 2 week and wait for the Test E to kick it. That was something else. I think doing that is better then sus 250. But that my 2 cents. But will deca help? I like to think that deca does a lot of background stuff, like increase red blood cell, lub the joint water retintion, all these help the Test to increase the work load. For bulking ya deca does a lot, but remember with out Test, **** it horriable, no sex drive, no motivation deca dick. I should know I bought bulk test once when I use it, and had to find real test right away because of the effict deca had on me. Good luck with your cycle.

[*RAGE*]

dude they give you options and different directions having that said put the needle down and walk away before you hurt yourself...JMO