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Thread: Yep- ANOTHER "first cycle" thread... Tren - Yes or no? Stack w/ A50 on first cycle?

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    Yep- ANOTHER "first cycle" thread... Tren - Yes or no? Stack w/ A50 on first cycle?

    WARNING - long thread alert!

    Okay, so our intrepid hero's been back at the gym for 4 months now... been training religiously, 5 days a week and the fat-to-muscle conversion seems to have been going pretty well...

    While I've only lost about 11 lbs in total, the results in size have been pretty impressive. I've trained at various stages over the past few years, but never really kept up a routine for longer than 3 months or so... so this is my first serious stint and shot at taking it seriously, thanks to training with an ex bodybuilder mate of mine.

    Always been relatively strong - I'm a bit of an endomorph, but definitely lean towards being a mesomorph given the right diet and training routine... got a
    bulky frame and large bone structure, so it makes for a good start to training..

    Before anyone asks, those ever important statistics:
    25 years old
    5'11
    225 lbs
    19-20% body fat

    I can safely say that I won't ever voluntarily give up training again... this time, I've vowed to go all out, and maybe even get to the point of competing in about 3-4 years if all goes well... but failing that, I'll at least want to maintain the size that I put on!

    So, I figured this to be the right age to take training seriously and maybe delve into a bit of extra enhancement to help matters along...

    Okay, now that background's covered, onto the topic at hand...

    I've got a supply of Tren 100 (a 100mg / ml blend that consists of 50 mg enanthate / 50 mg acetate) - I've read up extensively on the product and plan to start the cycle in about 3 weeks...

    First off - Is this advisable to be used on a first cycle? I've read that it's not recommended for the inexperienced - but given all the advantages, the potency, the fat-loss potential and the fact that it doesn't aromatize, I can't help but think it to be the one that poses the least risk?? It really is a bit of a no-brainer as an all-round product IMHO.

    I'll get HCG and Clomid near the end of the cycle for my PCT - possibly even keep HCG on-hand during the cycle, to combat shrunken balls if the matter arises..

    Secondly - how much? I've read that the enanthate mix somewhat counters the need to inject on a daily basis, thanks to its longer half-life.. so could I get away with 2 injections a week? .75 ml per injection to draw it out into a 6-7 week cycle?

    Okay, so now if I get the go-ahead to go with Tren... do I stack it? I know some are against stacking on the first cycle, but by the same token - Tren doesn't particularly have on-cycle side effects that could be mistaken for something else... So in that case, would there be merit in stacking it with a DHT-based substance such as Anadrol? Maybe just in the first 3 weeks or so to really kickstart the process?

    Or does one go all out and stack it with Test-E AND Anadrol, thereby covering the full spectrum and truly maximizing the gains and just keep the necessary Novaldex, HCG & Clomid on hand to handle gyno and the other possible side effects?

    Or maybe one's just pissing into the wind stacking on Tren as a first cycle, as one's already getting the maximum gain available just from Tren on those poor virgin Androgen Receptors?

    Suggestions, advice, and experiences would be greatly appreciated!

    Oh, and thanks for taking the time to read this uber-long post!
    Last edited by BillyBawb; 02-24-2009 at 04:41 PM.

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    before i read anymore edit out that lab name.. btw, thats a crappy blend

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    Agreed edit lab name out and definitely a crappy blend. Tren is a terrible choice for a first cycle. At 19-20% bf you have no business cycling.

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    Even the the title makes me shake my head. For a first cycle tren and drol are compounds you shouldn't be playing with.

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    Ouch... owned... but then again, at least I did ask as opposed to just shooting it up and making a cock-up out of it.

    Thanks for the replies...

    So for starters, a straight-up cycle of Test-E? When I've dropped another 5%+of body fat, that is.....

    For interest's sake - what makes the 50/50 blend a bad one? Or is it the choice of lab that makes the difference?

    And has anyone stacked Tren with Anadrol? To what results?

    Thanks in advance..
    Last edited by BillyBawb; 02-24-2009 at 05:02 PM.

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    Most don't like the idea of a short and long ester together.
    I would definitely just consider a test e cycle straight up at 400-500mg per week

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    ^^^^^ x2... tren, from what i'v heard, has really bad sides.. the buildup of the enantate would be an issue if you experianced adverse sides... keep that in mind..

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