Short cycle Prop/Tbol

[anabolictonic]

Hi Guys just goin to do a short 8 week cycle of prop/tbol.

1 -8 Prop at 70mg ed
1 -4 tbol at 50mg ed

For pct i want to use nolva and an ai but i can only get arimidex. Dont want to mix those two together if i dont have to so could i use proviron instead of arimidex.

Or if i dropped the cycle to 6 weeks w/ higher doses would nolva only suffice for pct?

[CHUCKYthentic]

i like adex. i think you should add some clomid

[Mammon]

id run the tbol longer if you can..
i presonally wouldnt replace adex with proviron..
you cant get clomid or aromasin

[CHUCKYthentic]

mammon, would he even need an AI in his pct for this cycle?
p.s. By the way whats up brotha!

[Mammon]

mammon, would he even need an AI in his pct for this cycle?
p.s. By the way whats up brotha!

whats happnin bra...
well not really but i wouldnt run nolvadex alone either

[Mammon]

damn chucky you came out of nowhere..lol

[CHUCKYthentic]

damn chucky you came out of nowhere..lol

ya dickin around on the net and just popped in haha

ya im never running nolva alone again. did it a cycle and took me FOREVER to recover!

[BIG_TRUCK]

Go 6-8 weeks with the tbol.

Many report gains start around the end of the second/beginning of the 3rd week.

[anabolictonic]

wats ur opinions on clomid then cause i can get it but iv always been stubborn in my belief that its just a weaker serm than nolva, does it really trigger LH?


na i cant get aromasin

[Mammon]

imo clomid is far superior when it comes to the recovery of HPTA

[anabolictonic]

What are the cons tho... im mainly just concerned with the ocular sides?

[Mammon]

had issues when i ran pct the old school way back in the day with 300mg the first day..
these days i just use 100mg.. most likely you could even get away with 50mg ed..
some get "tracers" when using clomid.. i take it all at night before bed and sleep through any possible sides..

[CHUCKYthentic]

this is from Pheedno pct, check this out...

Now IMO, selective estrogen receptor modulators(SERMs) such as Clomiphine and Tamoxifen are selective to which tissues they bind too. Clomid being selective to the suprapituitary, while Tamox is selective to breast, bone, and liver ERs. I've come to this conclusion based on the comparison of studies on both SERMs. In every study showing benefit to HPTA from tamoxifin, the duration of the administration is 3-12months(This includes studies cited by William Llewellyn in his Nolva vs Clomid article). In studies showing levels of LH, FSH, and Testosterone checked after short durations of tamox, they were either insignificant, or their was an actual drop. I believe this is because tamox selectively works at the mammery(as well as bone and liver), thus taking longer for LH stimulation to occur.
With clomid, benefit to gonadotrophin concentrations, LH, FSH, and serum testosterone can be seen in short periods of 2-6wks. Because of the apparent selective nature of the two, and given our usual PCT duration, clomid is by far superior at LH stimulation than Nolva. Now both is the wise choice for a couple of reasons:

1. Nolva acts as the preventive measure to the estrogen flux
occured PC while clomid is the primary LH stimulator(Even more so in the case an AI is not used).
2. If your running a longer PCT, clomid needs to be discontinued after a while as it has been shown to desensitize GnRH, this due, IMO, to it's selective nature to the suprapituitary. In the longer forms of PCT, the clomid will be phased out, leaving Nolva and L-dex

[anabolictonic]

tracers? i guess im doing nolva/clomid then, probly start the clomid at 50 ed for first few days and try 100 if i get no sides.. i have love for my eyes tho wat are these floaters? I wear contacts and will be gettin laser eye surgery later this yr so dont want nethin to screw them up

[CHUCKYthentic]

the only con i can think of other than what mammon said about blindness is that you may get a little acne but im not sure if that is a direct affect of clomid tho

[CHUCKYthentic]

id reverse it man, 100mg then 50 if you feel sides

[anabolictonic]

meh acne who cares... lol so u dont think i'll need an AI for such a short cycle?

[Mammon]

nah.. the clomid with 20mg nolvadex ed and your golden

[anabolictonic]

thanks mammon