Am i racist or is it something else??

[Matt]

I love to watch these documentries on tv that follow the US and UK armed forces into Iraq and Afganistan. Ive always had this interest, maybe its because ive spent a number of years in the forces.

Anyway i watched one the other day that showed how some insurgents in Iraq fight back. I say insurgents but i believe alot of these people are just like you and me, fighting because they dont want their country occupied by a foreign force..

In this documentry there were four scense that stick in my mind and my feelings when watching them are very different.

Scene one is where an American soldier is tood on gaurd at the rear of an apc (armoured personnel carrier) and is shot by an Iraqi sniper.
Scene two was where an American apc was blown to bits by a large road side bomb.
Both these scenes fill me with anger and rage and im horrified when i watch them, even though im not American, never been there and have know real ties there....

Scene three is of an Iraqi who has an rpg on his shoulder, he runs out into the middle of the road looks back to make sure the camera is still on him but before he has chance to take aim 4 or 5 tracer rounds hit him in the head killing him.
Scene four showers a group of Iraqi's being gunned down by an American helicopter...
This time i feel great when watching these last two scenes, even though i dont know them and who knows if their fighting a good cause, i dont care.

Am i alone or does anyone else feel like this when watching these types of things??

Or am i just racist and didnt know it??

[southmadejd]

Bro, I would not consider you a racist, but I also served in the Marine Corps and served two tours in Iraq so maybe I am not the best one to respond to this. But I feel the same way you do when you watch those specials, any time I see coalition forces kicking ass I get a sense of pride and any time I see a sniper taking one of us out, I get enraged and pissed off.

But one of your earlier statements is true for the most part, the people we are fighting are just like you and me. And it is hard for me to say that because I lost some close friends over there but I am sure that if it were under different circumstances and we all were hanging out in a bar, we would probably get along just great. War is a truly bizarre thing.

[MuscleScience]

This should be a fun thread to read.

[D7M]

This should be a fun thread to read.

ditto.

Where's Buffedguy?

[Matt]

This should be a fun thread to read.

I had a feeling you might say that lol, i know your not keen on these threads...

[MuscleScience]

I had a feeling you might say that lol, i know your not keen on these threads...

Im all for intelligent debate, racism is just sticky thing to talk about.

[Matt]

Im all for intelligent debate, racism is just sticky thing to talk about.

Trust me this is like super intelligent for me.

Btw, although i didnt agree with us going into Iraq, i do agree with us being in Afganistan...

[Flagg]

I love to watch these documentries on tv that follow the US and UK armed forces into Iraq and Afganistan. Ive always had this interest, maybe its because ive spent a number of years in the forces.

Anyway i watched one the other day that showed how some insurgents in Iraq fight back. I say insurgents but i believe alot of these people are just like you and me, fighting because they dont want their country occupied by a foreign force..

In this documentry there were four scense that stick in my mind and my feelings when watching them are very different.

Scene one is where an American soldier is tood on gaurd at the rear of an apc (armoured personnel carrier) and is shot by an Iraqi sniper.
Scene two was where an American apc was blown to bits by a large road side bomb.
Both these scenes fill me with anger and rage and im horrified when i watch them, even though im not American, never been there and have know real ties there....

Scene three is of an Iraqi who has an rpg on his shoulder, he runs out into the middle of the road looks back to make sure the camera is still on him but before he has chance to take aim 4 or 5 tracer rounds hit him in the head killing him.
Scene four showers a group of Iraqi's being gunned down by an American helicopter...
This time i feel great when watching these last two scenes, even though i dont know them and who knows if their fighting a good cause, i dont care.

Am i alone or does anyone else feel like this when watching these types of things??

Or am i just racist and didnt know it??

Well, were the four Iraqis insurgents or innocent civilians? And if you're feeling rage it's because you are seeing American soldiers being shot and killed. American and British can be considered the same seeing as they often work together.

If anything, if you are angry at Iraqi snipers shooting American soldiers, don't be mad at the Iraqi sniper..be angry at the politician that sent that soldier there in the first place.

And then, ask yourself why the sniper is shooting at soldiers. Let's just say China or Russia started bombing England flat, and then after that decided to occupy England and NO ONE did anything to stop this. How would you feel? How would you feel if you knew a plane had destroyed your home, your family...would you not want retribution? And that China and Russia were telling the world "Oh we're only doing this because we believed England MIGHT have wanted to nuke us".

This is all about putting yourself in other peoples shoes. And the whole thing in Iraq and Afghanastan is truly a shitty thing.

EDIT: Just one final point. I think you can only be angry at Iraqis retaliating if you think the US and the UK being in Iraq is a good thing. Because if you dont think its a good thing, well then I dont think anyone has the right to be angry at retaliation.

[Matt]

Well, were the four Iraqis insurgents or innocent civilians? And if you're feeling rage it's because you are seeing American soldiers being shot and killed. American and British can be considered the same seeing as they often work together.

If anything, if you are angry at Iraqi snipers shooting American soldiers, don't be mad at the Iraqi sniper..be angry at the politician that sent that soldier there in the first place.

And then, ask yourself why the sniper is shooting at soldiers. Let's just say China or Russia started bombing England flat, and then after that decided to occupy England and NO ONE did anything to stop this. How would you feel? How would you feel if you knew a plane had destroyed your home, your family...would you not want retribution? And that China and Russia were telling the world "Oh we're only doing this because we believed England MIGHT have wanted to nuke us".

This is all about putting yourself in other peoples shoes. And the whole thing in Iraq and Afghanastan is truly a shitty thing.

EDIT: Just one final point. I think you can only be angry at Iraqis retaliating if you think the US and the UK being in Iraq is a good thing. Because if you dont think its a good thing, well then I dont think anyone has the right to be angry at retaliation.

This is the problem i have lol, i dont believe we should have gone to Iraq, and yes i understand that some of these people maybe good people just fighting like i would if someone came into my country. But this doesnt change the way i feel, this in turn makes me question whether or not im a racist. However if i see a black american or Brit being killed then i have the same anger.
Is it possible to be racist towards certain countries??

[Flagg]

This is the problem i have lol, i dont believe we should have gone to Iraq, and yes i understand that some of these people maybe good people just fighting like i would if someone came into my country. But this doesnt change the way i feel, this in turn makes me question whether or not im a racist. However if i see a black american or Brit being killed then i have the same anger.
Is it possible to be racist towards certain countries??

I'd put that down to the media and the government indocritinating us that Muslims are evil and are a threat to democracy.

[sigman roid]

I'd put that down to the media and the government indocritinating us that Muslims are evil and are a threat to democracy.

i agree with you there , i think the reason we feel bad when we see british/american soilders being killed and good when iraqi soilders are killed is because we are led to believe we are doing a good thing by invading there country and they are doing a bad thing defending it. if the shoe was on the other foot and they invaded britain or america we would be doing exactly what they are.

[CptAmericaX]

Just because I was wrong

[Andro9]

Fuk them ragheads

hahaha. i knew someone was going to say that. anyway, i'm not one to believe in religion or god or whatever and it pisses me off to see these muslims give there life to take ours thinking they will be rewarded for it in the afterlife. does anyone else have a problem with this? because it bugs the shit out of me. makes me want to go over there and rip some throats out.

[Nooomoto]

Fuk them ragheads

Exactly. They don't contribute a thing to the modern world. They murder people, women, children, girls under Sharia law, they try to infiltrate western societies and bring that BS in, and get pissy when the laws of these societies say otherwise.

They don't wanna get shot? Don't pick up a gun and don't plant an IED. Don't wanna get run over? Get the fk out of the way of the hum-vees barreling down the street. Don't want to get interrogated? Quit hanging out with HVTs.

Fact is most of those people getting chopped down by 5.56 and vulcan cannons aren't even Iraqis. A good number of them are just there to start trouble, well they found it. Am I going to cry because some hadj on the other side of the world got his shit pushed in? Nope. Neither should you.

[Flagg]

Exactly. They don't contribute a thing to the modern world. They murder people, women, children, girls under Sharia law, they try to infiltrate western societies and bring that BS in, and get pissy when the laws of these societies say otherwise.

They don't wanna get shot? Don't pick up a gun and don't plant an IED. Don't wanna get run over? Get the fk out of the way of the hum-vees barreling down the street. Don't want to get interrogated? Quit hanging out with HVTs.

Fact is most of those people getting chopped down by 5.56 and vulcan cannons aren't even Iraqis. A good number of them are just there to start trouble, well they found it. Am I going to cry because some hadj on the other side of the world got his shit pushed in? Nope. Neither should you.

No, those "ragheads" only supply a ****load of Oil to the West on a daily basis....

[spywizard]

Fuk them ragheads

see, this would be an example of a racist, to answer the original thread..

This poster may have many reasons to hate these people, he chooses to use a term that is derogatory towards them..

The truth is we are all racist and bigots to one point or another, we experience life and through those experiences and knowledge we come to conclusions.

not all Arabic people stone and kill women but we as a western society since it is different to ours have determined that our way of treating women is better, thus the media claims and drives into the consciousness of the public that if you are not outraged by this behavior or culture you are "ignorant".. which of coarse proves that they are bigots..

the meaning of the word bigot = A bigot is a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term to describe a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices, especially when these views are either challenged, or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.

[quarry206]

see, this would be an example of a racist, to answer the original thread..

This poster may have many reasons to hate these people, he chooses to use a term that is derogatory towards them..

The truth is we are all racist and bigots to one point or another, we experience life and through those experiences and knowledge we come to conclusions.

not all Arabic people stone and kill women but we as a western society since it is different to ours have determined that our way of treating women is better, thus the media claims and drives into the consciousness of the public that if you are not outraged by this behavior or culture you are "ignorant".. which of coarse proves that they are bigots..

the meaning of the word bigot = A bigot is a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term to describe a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices, especially when these views are either challenged, or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.

very well said.....


on a side note..
i think that everybody is racist to some degree or level. everybody is a bigot to some degree or level.. if you realize it or not people unrelate themselves from what they don't know or understand. or maybe just what they don't believe in..

[spywizard]

very well said.....


on a side note..
i think that everybody is racist to some degree or level. everybody is a bigot to some degree or level.. if you realize it or not people unrelate themselves from what they don't know or understand. or maybe just what they don't believe in..

exactly.. there are a lot of high horses that get ridden around on.. and not just on this board.

[Matt]

see, this would be an example of a racist, to answer the original thread..

This poster may have many reasons to hate these people, he chooses to use a term that is derogatory towards them..

The truth is we are all racist and bigots to one point or another, we experience life and through those experiences and knowledge we come to conclusions.

not all Arabic people stone and kill women but we as a western society since it is different to ours have determined that our way of treating women is better, thus the media claims and drives into the consciousness of the public that if you are not outraged by this behavior or culture you are "ignorant".. which of coarse proves that they are bigots..

the meaning of the word bigot = A bigot is a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term to describe a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices, especially when these views are either challenged, or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.

This for me makes alot of sense, very good post...

[MASTER]

Not racist, you will always want your own to be safe or win, whatever the scenario. I agree we shouldn't be in Iraq though, all these people getting killed for trying to protect their sovereignty/land/lives. If England got invaded (especially if it was for no reason as in the case of Iraq), you can bet your house that we'd be taking as many of the invaders down as possible. It kind of reminds me of that eye to eye poem by a palestinian girl "im terrorized in my own land, and im the terrorist?"

[scerpico22]

well i also believe we have no business in Iraq, noow that I have said that...

I completely understand what you are saying MATT...I feel the same way. And IMO, MASTER is on the right track. Regardless of the reason right or wrong of us being there, I know im cheering for the guys that are out there and hope for their well being and safety. So...if one of them gets killed by an Iraqi then i am pist and I want one of us to take 10 of them out...

its almost as if its a competitive feeling...we are there to win...win what is the DIRTY, DIRTY question. but we are there to win non-the-less. and yes the media plays up this hype as us vs. them attitude so it turns into, if one of ours dies, we are mad...one of theirs dies...score one for the good side.

not sure if all this made sense...






oh yea and Matt, what the hell are you doing posting something serious???? LOL

[Matt]

well i also believe we have no business in Iraq, noow that I have said that...

I completely understand what you are saying MATT...I feel the same way. And IMO, MASTER is on the right track. Regardless of the reason right or wrong of us being there, I know im cheering for the guys that are out there and hope for their well being and safety. So...if one of them gets killed by an Iraqi then i am pist and I want one of us to take 10 of them out...

its almost as if its a competitive feeling...we are there to win...win what is the DIRTY, DIRTY question. but we are there to win non-the-less. and yes the media plays up this hype as us vs. them attitude so it turns into, if one of ours dies, we are mad...one of theirs dies...score one for the good side.

not sure if all this made sense...






oh yea and Matt, what the hell are you doing posting something serious???? LOL

I think you and Master are right bro, i dont know how you guy's feel about Afganistan but im almost certain we should be there....



Hahaha, its the most serious ive been in years lol, i had to sit down and rest my head after i wrote it..
I think its the longest post ive ever written aswell...

[CptAmericaX]

Just because I was wrong, not sure why I posted this one probaly just the anger

[Andro9]

I enjoy both theaters I get a chance to kill another man, you think gear is a rush wait until you take anothers life

i think you have problems brother hahaha

[scerpico22]

you think gear is a rush wait until you take anothers life

ummm, this insinuates you have killed someone.

[CptAmericaX]

ummm, this insinuates you have killed someone.

Insinuates yes but considering Im bragging about it, no bragging in my mind would be like OO and I shot this mother****er and his head popped off and blood was everywhere and i walked threw his brains and then on the dry tile and shit was like duke nukem 3d with the bloody footprints and the brainstem and spinal fluid smelt like bananas thats bragging,

[None of the statement above is a actual event Its more me makeing a point]

[*RAGE*]

Fuk them ragheads

I enjoy both theaters I get a chance to kill another man, you think gear is a rush wait until you take anothers life

you know people who say taking another persons life is messed up and wrong, but then think of all the people who would love to get that chance, so whos really to say whos messed up its human nature to kill

ehhh are u kidding me, humans have been killing humans for 1000's of years over territory

calm down Im sorry violence upsets you so much so people enjoy it, Im not talking about tortue or murder for that matter, but war is a beautiful and ugly thing all in the same, such a beautiful art

"It is scientifically incorrect to say that we have inherited a tendency to make war from our animal ancestors … that war or any other violent behaviour is genetically programmed into our human nature … [and] that humans have a 'violent brain'."

well acording to that guy your right maybe im just one of the lucky ones

What ever helps you sleep at night champ, I will play tie the tubes with my wifey when I get home fighting for your freedom sleep well my friend

as they said in man on fire

I am a professional

Or in "Taken"
Im sorry Its just buisness

hence my post admitting you were right? so calm down take a chill pill and enjoy the show

Yah let me go cry PTSD like so many others, yes before I get a bunch of whiney people who have friends with it I know there are some seriouse cases I do infact have friends who are F*ed from this same very war i fight in. But alot of people are just weak minded *****s and need to go cry on a shrinks shoulder for a week and they will be fine

Matt you might wanna rest your head for a second that 2 was a pretty deep post and is very true, hmm imagine that, what am I young army and infantry explains alot doesnt it

whos bragging? I didnt say if I had even shot my weapon or not did I, and if you think people in the infantry dont brag among eachother about kills you have obviously never served, or maybe you have and sat behind a desk Im just putting it out there. People who are in war type situations usualy dont talk to people who can not relate to them about it because its something they would never understand

Yah definatly didnt say i killed anyone now did I, so maybe im comparing 2 things ive never done and going off other peoples experiences comparing the highs

good point but no i must say your wrong, it depends on the experience if it was a platoon of dudes who wack 60 arabs and do not loose a single friendly KIA then no one cares and its going to be who has a bigger dick between the guys. But if you loose half your platoon thats where people do care and dont want to talk about it. If you have a therapy group you should realize no one in therapy will talk about the gloriouse battles where they wacked a bunch of rag heads and lost no one, they are concerned with about there fallen comrad

No i find that completely normal, I remeber as a NFG if you dont know what it means dont ask, I mentioned to my team leader that I would prefer to see a enemy soldier die and suffer over a stray animal any day. He insulted me and what naught. Anyway turned out I was right in how I thought

Hmmm let me think Rag heads is a understatement if did not rely on this board for more important reasons than to BS with you I would state a large group of people that I hate more specific than Raghead, and point being there JIhad hmm when they are getting there jihad on they are to kill the infadel who is the infadels anyone that is not them.... oooo peace harmony good call buddy
And I have plenty of arab friends thank you but they are christians

Insinuates yes but considering Im bragging about it, no bragging in my mind would be like OO and I shot this mother****er and his head popped off and blood was everywhere and i walked threw his brains and then on the dry tile and shit was like duke nukem 3d with the bloody footprints and the brainstem and spinal fluid smelt like bananas thats bragging,

[None of the statement above is a actual event Its more me makeing a point]

Most of you that know me on this post knows i dont hold back when it comes to this subject. I have served in the first golf was and done two years since during this war....I have never met someone that has killed someone in war and talked about it like thiis little POS does here. The only rush you have had is wacking your little dick in the bathroom when your mom walked in on your punch ass...shut the fuvk up punk, or I will hunt your little ass down and rape you..

[CptAmericaX]

Most of you that know me on this post knows i dont hold back when it comes to this subject. I have served in the first golf was and done two years since during this war....I have never met someone that has killed someone in war and talked about it like thiis little POS does here. The only rush you have had is wacking your little dick in the bathroom when your mom walked in on your punch ass...shut the fuvk up punk, or I will hunt your little ass down and rape you..

For that prone I will put one more post, talking tough over a message board does not do anyone any good. Congrats on being a vet of the first golf. and re-read my post I didnt mention killing anyone. ill hunt you down and rape you get a life

[Matt]

Most of you that know me on this post knows i dont hold back when it comes to this subject. I have served in the first golf was and done two years since during this war....I have never met someone that has killed someone in war and talked about it like thiis little POS does here. The only rush you have had is wacking your little dick in the bathroom when your mom walked in on your punch ass...shut the fuvk up punk, or I will hunt your little ass down and rape you..

100% spot on bro...

[Flagg]

Most of you that know me on this post knows i dont hold back when it comes to this subject. I have served in the first golf was and done two years since during this war....I have never met someone that has killed someone in war and talked about it like thiis little POS does here. The only rush you have had is wacking your little dick in the bathroom when your mom walked in on your punch ass...shut the fuvk up punk, or I will hunt your little ass down and rape you..

Prone, I have often thought of you and Buffed as opposites, you often both say things I disagree with and things I agree with, and I ONE HUNDERED PERCENT AGREE HERE!

Any man worth his salt that has SEEN duty, would know its a ****ing shitty thing to take another human life. Captain ****ing America has seen Platoon one too many times I think.

Matt, what I think you are feeling is not racism but Nationalism, and it's something everyone feels at one time or another.

[Flagg]

I enjoy both theaters I get a chance to kill another man, you think gear is a rush wait until you take anothers life

I've seen you in a coupla threads now, and i know now that you are a complete ****ing dickhead.

[CptAmericaX]

I've seen you in a coupla threads now, and i know now that you are a complete ****ing dickhead.

cool thanks always love the supporters, Its been dropped the flames out your throwing gas on some cold coals good job

[Flagg]

cool thanks always love the supporters, Its been dropped the flames out your throwing gas on some cold coals good job

Why dont you watch Platoon and Natural Born Killers for the millionth time, completely miss the point the movies were trying to make and justify yourself as the small minded prick that you are.

[CptAmericaX]

Just because I was wrong

[scerpico22]

its human nature to kill

kill other human beings? ummmmm, i think not! Kill an animal to survive sure...but what you are insinuating is down right stupid!

[CptAmericaX]

Just because I was wrong

[scerpico22]

ehhh are u kidding me, humans have been killing humans for 1000's of years over territory

no shit Sherlock, but that does NOT be any means make it human nature.

[CptAmericaX]

Just because I was wrong

[scerpico22]

calm down Im sorry violence upsets you so much so people enjoy it, Im not talking about tortue or murder for that matter, but war is a beautiful and ugly thing all in the same, such a beautiful art

you sir and well i take the sir back because you are wet behind the ears 22 year old...are a fvcktard...

have a nice day now and go play tie the tubes with the wifey

[CptAmericaX]

you sir and well i take the sir back because you are wet behind the ears 22 year old...are a fvcktard...

have a nice day now and go play tie the tubes with the wifey

What ever helps you sleep at night champ, I will play tie the tubes with my wifey when I get home fighting for your freedom sleep well my friend