My 1st Cycle

[ashr1]

Hi Guys,
I'm Ash, 30 from the UK, and this is my 1st post.

Im 5ft11, around 220lbs and have been training on and off for 3 years.

The biggest mistake I think I have made in my years of training was listening to my mates who I thought were in the know coz of their many years of training...
About a 8-10 months ago I decided to do my own search into muscle growth, diet, training plans etc, and started noticing serious growth.

I always promised myself that I'd never use roids till my body stopped growing naturally, however, curiosity got the better of me and here I am looking for advice...

After weeks of research I decided to go with a Sust and Deca cycle as it leaves you less prone to side effects...

I have read many articles/forums where this cycle is not recomended but have read equal amount of articles where this cycle is recomended!

Sustanon 250 and deca are made by a company called Organon based in Karachi, Pakistan (hence Karachi Sust). However the company stopped making deca and sust after they were convicted of back door sales to the black market etc...

After some research I found that the new company in charge of producing sust and deca is Abbott, which is also based in Pakistan. Being of Pakistani origin myself, I can get hold deca and sust myself from Pakistan at little cost to myself (one of the reasons why I wana take this cycle)and I will know its 100% legit rather then worrying about it legality.

My gym stats are: (last week)
Deadlift = 210KGs 3 sets, 3 - 4 reps
Squats = 150 Kgs 3 sets 6-8 reps
Bench 100kgs 3 sets - 6-8 reps
Shoulder press 80kgs 3 sets - 6 - 8 reps
Straight bar Bicep curls 50kgs 3 sets - 6-8 reps

I eat around 6-8 balanced a meals a day and prob cheat twice a week...
I'm not lean and do have fat but am not too bothered with that at the moment. I'm just concerned with muscle mass, and will deal with the fat early next year...

I've ordered needles, 21g for loading the syringes and 23-25g needles for injecting. Length of needles are, 1" for the delts and 1.5" for the glutes.
(haven't decided where to inject as yet)

I would like your input on dosage if at all possible (cc/ml/mg) (times a week) etc and best product(s) for PCT and when to start...
Advice from my gym owner who is also a professional body builder was to only do a 6 week cycle of deca and sust... what do you guys think?

Sorry about the massive essay, I just want to make sure I mention everything...

Thanks guys...

Ash

[Matt]

Welcome ash, quick question, whats your bf%??

[ashr1]

Welcome ash, quick question, whats your bf%??

Hi Matt, around 18-20%...

[c-Z]

Was going to say 220 isnt bad for 5'11 but bf % is a tad bit high.... Highly recommend getting that bf% down before considering a cycle....

As well as would recommend not stacking for a first time cycle. Side affects and stacking you won't know what's the cause.

EDIT:
OOHHHH AND LEFT OUT..... THE... Thanks for posting your information. it seems you have roamed around before as well have done some research.

[ashr1]

Was going to say 220 isnt bad for 5'11 but bf % is a tad bit high.... Highly recommend getting that bf% down before considering a cycle....

As well as would recommend not stacking for a first time cycle. Side affects and stacking you won't know what's the cause.

Actually scrap that, bf is 15%. Just checked... Still not all that, I know, but I do cardio 3 times a week, and I have it down from 28%!!!

I'm sure you know its pretty difficult to gain mass and lose fat at the same time... I have to concentrate on one... Which do you recomend?

[c-Z]

Test E 500 mgs a week is most common....
Shot two times a week.. Every 3.5 days. So it's not that bad pinning.....(250mgs a shot)

Have you looked into your PCT?

[ashr1]

Test E 500 mgs a week is most common....
Shot two times a week.. Every 3.5 days. So it's not that bad pinning.....(250mgs a shot)

Have you looked into your PCT?

I was thinking of starting the PCT 1 - 2 weeks after my last shot... Nolvadex, clomid and HCG...
But am not sure of the dosagaes yet... still researching... however, any input from you guys will be great...

You say Test E, is that long esters or short ones? And why over Sust and Deca? Is it a case of trial and error to figure out what causes side effects if any?

[c-Z]

Long Ester.... It takes a couple weeks to kick in but you can see some good gains from it.... Some will stack Dbol with it for first couple weeks.

PCT times vary from each steroid. Test E is 14 Days after.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94822
Others are listed here.

Definitely would do a Nolvadex + Clomid PCT. Seems to be pretty common. It's what I have.

wk 12-14 (3 weeks) start HcG 500iu ED
wk 14-17 (4 weeks) novladex 20mgs ED
wk 14-17 (4 weeks) clomid 100/50/50/50mg
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=382034
Always forget Pct dosages. Heres a link to someone with similiar thought on PCT

Are you going to run adex at all?

[ashr1]

What I do not understand about Nolvadex, clomid etc is that they do not restart natural test after a cycle, but only stop oestrogen side effects...

Correct me if I'm wrong, is this all PCT is supposed to do... keep oestrogen on hold while body naturally starts producing test?

[ashr1]

Long Ester.... It takes a couple weeks to kick in but you can see some good gains from it.... Some will stack Dbol with it for first couple weeks.

PCT times vary from each steroid. Test E is 14 Days after.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94822
Others are listed here.

Definitely would do a Nolvadex + Clomid PCT. Seems to be pretty common. It's what I have.

wk 12-14 (3 weeks) start HcG 500iu ED
wk 14-17 (4 weeks) novladex 20mgs ED
wk 14-17 (4 weeks) clomid 100/50/50/50mg
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=382034
Always forget Pct dosages. Heres a link to someone with similiar thought on PCT

Are you going to run adex at all?

Adex...?? of my weeks of research I have not come accross adex... your input pls?
IS sust long or short esters? I know Sust is a mixture of 4 types of test, do they vary in length?

Sorry for my ignorance, but why isnt the Sust and Deca a good cycle in your opinion? (just tell me to shut up wen uve had enuff of my questioning - infact its your own fault for providing good answers - lol!)

[c-Z]

A lot to explain... This page explains each thing in particular.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545

And as far as sus and deca... Stacking simply isn't a good idea for a first cycle. Because if you have a nasty side you wouldn't know whether it was the sus or deca....

[ashr1]

A lot to explain... This page explains each thing in particular.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545

And as far as sus and deca... Stacking simply isn't a good idea for a first cycle. Because if you have a nasty side you wouldn't know whether it was the sus or deca....

So you could do Sust on its own?

[c-Z]

Most start with Test E or Test C. Simply because I't doesn't need to be injected as often. I'm not sure how often Sus has to be injected. But looking at start of PCT times 24 hours after last injection. I'de imagine it has to be injected a lot more... ED or EOD perhaps. Not sure about that though. Perhaps someone can touch more on that.

[Bio-boosted]

Yes you can. Sustanon tends to be shot 3x / week generally (can be less but at the doses we use, more is better).
1-4 is weeks, yep. Makes it easier to read.
Adex = Arimidex. It's an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI), they're more expensive than SERMS, if you find out that you are unlucky with side effects you may want to get some for future cycles.
A six weeker cycle is bollox, double it. 10 weeks min, imo.

[ashr1]

Thanks guys for the input... very much appreciated.

I have decided to go with the Test E cycle.
I just saw on Bodybuilding.com, prices are ridiculous; heres the link for educational purposes... if anyones interested...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catteste.htm

[WARMachine]

Long Ester.... It takes a couple weeks to kick in but you can see some good gains from it.... Some will stack Dbol with it for first couple weeks.

PCT times vary from each steroid. Test E is 14 Days after.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94822
Others are listed here.

Definitely would do a Nolvadex + Clomid PCT. Seems to be pretty common. It's what I have.

wk 12-14 (3 weeks) start HcG 500iu ED
wk 14-17 (4 weeks) novladex 20mgs ED
wk 14-17 (4 weeks) clomid 100/50/50/50mg
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=382034
Always forget Pct dosages. Heres a link to someone with similiar thought on PCT

Are you going to run adex at all?

If you read that ENTIRE page, youll notice that i mention that hCG isnt a good addition to PCT.

[WARMachine]

^ Edit that post bro.

We dont discuss prices here.

And btw, thats an absurd price for Test E

[ashr1]

^ Edit that post bro.

We dont discuss prices here.

And btw, thats an absurd price for Test E

Sorry, my bad, all fixed... i hope. Let me know if it isnt, and I'll fix it. (off to read the rules and regulations...) lol!

let me put it another way. The only roid I have seen in person is a Sust vial, I think thats 250mg, am I right?
So 500mg means, 2 of those vials a week of Test E. Correct?
Thanks for ur help in advance.

[WARMachine]

No.

You need to learn the difference between mg and ml.

[WARMachine]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4150809

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