Can anyone tell me about this stuff?

[Dr. DOOM]

A lot of people at my gym take it and don't notice any negatives while taking it. They all say it works.

I would like to ask you experts before I take it though.

[Dee312]

It's got a blue cross, blue sheild symbol on it...hmmm, try it and let us know. I might have to switch insurance companies if giving away Deka, lol

[Dr. DOOM]

I have done a search and the threads pretty much tell me what the people in the gym say, take liver armor! they say it is very important but they say they all see huge gains.

[Noles12]

It is a supplement not a steroid

[peachfuzz]

search superdrol and halodrol and you will find all the information you need. dont start untill you know what your taking. what do you have lined up for post cycle?

[Dr. DOOM]

search superdrol and halodrol and you will find all the information you need. dont start untill you know what your taking. what do you have lined up for post cycle?

I need help on all this and that is why I came here to this forum because I knew I could find the information I need.

I do not know anything about post cycle.

[james21]

If you want something legal that is a steroid ... go for 1-t TREN you wont regret it, i compare it to a good dose of winny but with tren sweats and tren a kick in time....

[peachfuzz]

we have a whole section dedicated to post cycle. we also have a search function. start there. you are going to need Nolvadex for post cycle. no way around it.

this will get you going.

SUPERDROL OR SUPERDROL CLONES

I have compiled a few commonly asked questions new users ask before getting into superdrol . Please note that this thread is by no means makes you completely knowledgeable. I am not a guru on superdrol so please do not take this as the beacon of knowledge.


I am 18, I have had 4 years plus lifting experience, I feel I’ve reached a plateau and want to use superdrol:
I’ve heard this question over and over and would to prevent all those below 21 who want to use superdrol, or any other ph under the age of 21. This is basically inhibiting your body’s natural production of testosterone. Between the ages of 18 thorough 21, males experience the highest test production. If you feel you want to supplement, I would strongly suggest you look for Test boosters, like tribulus and 6oxo. Please note that this has nothing to do with your lack of so called maturity or the feeling that youngsters are careless. This is scientific and numerous studies have been performed in this regard.

I have just got my superdrol , how do I use it?
The safest way to use superdrol is to keep the dosage low. All over the boards you can find people using superdrol up to high doses of 40mg. I would suggest the following cycle.

Week 1 – 10mg
Week 2 – 20mg
Week 3 - 20mg

I would personally never recommend over 20mg. 3 week cycles are proven to be safe and effective.

What times of the day do I take superdrol?
SD has a low shelf life, around 6-10 hours therefore make sure you plan your intake every 6-8 hours.
Different people have different opinions to this question. From what I've seen, the over all consensus is to take the first dose in the morning with an empty stomach with loads of water.
The next with your preworkout meal with good fats like EFA's , Flax and fish oils, peanut butter. Superdrol takes a heavy toll on your lipid profile. A carb and fat rich meal would somehow help a little bit here. This is my opinion, others differ with it. Preworkout superdrol gives awesome pumps during the workout/weight training routine.

Does superdrol require a PCT?
Like every ph on the block SD needs a PCT.

Give me a sample superdrol PCT.

wk1: 50mg nolva or clomid, 600 6oxo,
wk2: 50mg Nolva or clomid, 600 6oxo,
wk4: 25mg Nolva or clomid, 300 6oxo,
wk3: 25mg Nolva or clomid, 300 6oxo,

Is 6oxo and Rebound XT good enough by itself for a superdrol PCT, most people say it is enough No! By no means is 6oxo or Rebound standalone strong enough to restart the test production in your body. You need a SERM! Period!

Nolvadex is therefore ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for an superdrolcycle. Please note its Nolvadex not novedex or nolvedex. Please look for Tamoxifen Citrate.


If budget permits you can also look into NAC.

Does running milk thistle along side superdrol inhibit gains.
No, silymarin does not inhibit any gains and does not have any chemical significance. It is purely for the liver. Its effect however is best in the preload and pct.

What are other good supplements I can run along side superdrol to combat side effects?
Red Yeast Rice- A fermented rice product, that is our best fighter against negative sides form AAS concerning cardiovascular damage. Comprised of nine different monacolins, which are naturally occurring substances that help regulate cholesterol levels. Along with sterols, and monounsaturated fatty acids, it packs a strong punch.
Dosage : 1.2g ED

COQ10- Although this is abundant in food sources, I feel it prudent to put on here. Not only does it show to help cardiac function, but it’s also imperative to be used with Red Yeast Rice. Can be used in combination with other cholesterol lowering supplements.

Celery Seed- A powerful anti-oxidant, shown to not only lower blood pressure, but may have cancer fighting properties as well. And there is evidence to show its ability in aiding the liver.

Hawthorne Berry: Also very useful to lower BP and keep it on check. A great on cycle supplement.
Dosage 1000mg ed on cycle.

Policosanol- A blend of fatty alcohol’s, shows great promise in its use as beneficial to cardiovascular health, to include the maintenance of healthy lipid profiles. There is also some theory to a synergistic affect with EFA’s.
Dosage : 20mg 2x a day

Saw Palmetto: The prostrate is one delicate part of your system that you do not want to affect under any circumstances.
SP @ 320mg/day

Primaforce ProLiver or Liv52.

These supplements are very necessary ON cycle as well as in the PCT.

I took superdrol, its 2 weeks up, I still don’t see any change. Why?
Well, its not superdrol’s fault, there is some mistake on your part.
SD will not work if your lipid profile is all haywire.
Most people underestimate the simple dictum of eating heavy and eating right. Please make sure that your calorics are adjusted to your body weight and height. I do not need to comment on your nutrition, but make sure that you take in 1.7-2g of Protein /lb of body weight.Roughly around week 2.5 through 4 you should start gains of 1lb/day.
Make sure your carbs and EFA’s are at a maximum
You need to drink @ least 1.5 gallons of water while on superdrol.

My cycle is over, I have to keep my gains, how do I do it.
If you want to keep your gains, make sure you take nolvadex. You will lose a little bloat/size due to water retention. Its good to take creatine and nitrous based compounds or cell volumisers at this point to keep your gains. I have not used CEE, but am looking to do so in the near future.

I had a very satisfying cycle, my pct made me recover fine, I want to get back into another cycle.
Well,this is something I've seen in many people, the temptation to use m1t and superdrol. Sure it does give good results, but you've gotta understand that you have a life apart from bbing. Imho make sure you give a full two month gap between cycles. After all you've got just one liver to use for a lifetime.

I do not know where to get the necessary supplements/ chems for my PCT.
Please do not ask on the forums for sources. I will try to help you through secure mail or pm’s. READ! Most experienced users in their logs mention the brands of nolva they use, if some just had the sense to google them……………

What are the important things I should know about Research Chemicals?

15.2 grams of Tamoxifen Citrate equal 10mg of Tamoxifen (nolvadex)
If a research Liquid manufactuer were unaware of this, and they suspend 10mg of Tamoxifen Citrate in 1 ml of solution and claimed a dosage of 10mg of Tamoxifen/ml then it would be underdosed to the tabs.

Of course if they claimed 10mg of Tamoxifen and added 15.2 grams of Tamoxifen citrate then they would be giving the correct dose of then 10mg of Tamox/ml relative to the tabs.

If they say 10mg of Tamoxifen citrate there not lying about the dose, it's jus not as much as the 10mg tabs of nolvadex.

NOLVADEX_ (tamoxifen citrate) Tablets, a nonsteroidal antiestrogen, are for oral administration. NOLVADEX Tablets are available as:

10 mg Tablets. Each tablet contains 15.2 mg of tamoxifen citrate which is equivalent to 10 mg of tamoxifen.

20 mg Tablets. Each tablet contains 30.4 mg of tamoxifen citrate which is equivalent to 20 mg of tamoxifen.

So whatz the math?
0.5ml= 7mg tamoxifen
1.0ml=14mg
1.5ml=21mg
2.0ml=28mg
2.5ml=35mg
3.0ml=42mg
3.5ml=49mg
4.0ml=56mg
4.5ml=63mg
5.0ml=70mg

I am not a doctor and neither do my opinions construe medical advice. These are just my views after using and researching about this product and answering a number of queries from users who were as confused as me when I first started it.




[SIZE="1"][CENTER]The superdrol checklist :

Superdrol 10/20/20
RYR 1.2g ed
Milkthistle 1000mg
Hawthorne Berry 1000mg
CoQ10
Policosinol- 20mg 2x ed

PCT:
SERM :Nolvadex 40/30/20/10
AI :R-Xt or 6oxo
Prostrate:Saw Palmetto 325mg

DHEA 200/200/100/100
Fenugreek
Clomid (optional)
RYR 1.2g ed
Milkthistle 1000mg
Hawthorne Berry 1000mg
CoQ10
Policosinol- 20mg 2x ed]

Epistane/Havoc for Dummies

I have compiled a few commonly asked questions new users ask before getting into epistane by ***** Please note that this thread is by no means makes you completely knowledgeable. I have not used epistane neither have I used Havoc, this thread is written strictly by looking at the chemical structre and with my over all experience with anabolics in general.


I am 18, I have had 4 years plus lifting experience, I feel Ive reached a plateau and want to use this compound:
I've been more than nice to you... you are a retard ... good bye.

I have just got my epistane , how do I use it?
The safest way to use epistane as with any anabolic is to keep the dosage safely low however still effective enough not to be a complete waste.

Week 1 20mg
Week 2 20mg
Week 3 -30mg
Week 4 30mg


For a starter who is giving over the counter (OTC) anabolics a shot personally never recommend over 30mg. 4 week cycles are proven to be decently effective and safer than longer orals.


For the advanced user:

Week 1 20mg
Week 2 30mg
Week 3 40mg
Week 4 40mg

Can I stack epistane with other prohormones/AAS:
You can. would be stupid though.


What times of the day do I take epistane.
I am old school and will not accept to the pulsing/epi till I see blood work, though it does make sense. Simply being that it is speculation based on the free alcohol. However I still feel the best way to take it would be as follows.

Keep the doses prior to 6pm and around 5-6 hours in difference. Like an anabolic take it with EFA's - hormones are fat soluable. So assuming you work out around 6pm, take one with a EFA/complex carb rich break fast and the next dose with small concentrated carb rich pre workout.

As opposed to SD, its hit on the lipid profile would not be as bad, however till I see blood work its better safe than sorry. Load up on all the ancillaries and accessory supplements as needed.

Does epistane require a PCT?
Like every other anabolic on the block epistane needs a PCT.

What is your favourite PCT and WHY?

a serm with an AI or cortisol control sup.

This PCT looks different from your usual Nolvadex sermons. Why?
a) By anecdotal and trial and error I have come to see that the fastest jump back with ZERO downtime is with a SERM+ a real low dose of a scheduled AI
b) Epi if anything will be pretty supressive. I know that I hypothetically sugessted Nolva for SD cycles but looking at the heptatoxicity, I feel that toremifene is better.

Do I need to be worried about gyno on epistane:
Theoretically, no ... but again there is something on paper, something else real world so better safe than sorry. SERM all the way.

What happens if my nuts shrink? Do i stop the cycle?
Not necessary if you ask me. during pct with and anti estrogen and serm you will regain your test production back.

How do I run this clomid?
Clomid is clomiphine citrate
Day 1- 50mg
Week 1 -50mg
Week 2- 25mg if you choose
Week 3- 25mg if you choose

Dont exceed 3 weeks on clomid, avoid the metabolite action.


Where do I get these support chemicals:
Asking for sources is against board rules. Please do not disrespect them. Look in some signatures, they may actually have an answer.

Which is What are other good supplements I can run along side superdrol to combat side effects?
Red Yeast Rice- A fermented rice product, that is our best fighter against negative sides form AAS concerning cardiovascular damage. Comprised of nine different monacolins, which are naturally occurring substances that help regulate cholesterol levels. Along with sterols, and monounsaturated fatty acids, it packs a strong punch.
Dosage : 1.2g ED

COQ10- Although this is abundant in food sources, I feel it prudent to put on here. Not only does it show to help cardiac function, but it?€™s also imperative to be used with Red Yeast Rice. Can be used in combination with other cholesterol lowering supplements.

Celery Seed- A powerful anti-oxidant, shown to not only lower blood pressure, but may have cancer fighting properties as well. And there is evidence to show its ability in aiding the liver.

Hawthorne Berry: Also very useful to lower BP and keep it on check. A great on cycle supplement.
Dosage 1000mg ed on cycle.

Policosanol- A blend of fatty alcohol?€™s, shows great promise in its use as beneficial to cardiovascular health, to include the maintenance of healthy lipid profiles. There is also some theory to a synergistic affect with EFA?€™s.
Dosage : 20mg 2x a day

Saw Palmetto: The prostrate is one delicate part of your system that you do not want to affect under any circumstances.
SP @ 320mg/day

A note on heptatoxicity and liver support:
Liver support : What are your thoughts
While there are many compounds in the market today, most of them which are good too, I stick to my own personal choice for liver protection- Liv 52.
Why?
Here is why
* Capers (Capparis spinosa) - Well-documented hepatic stimulant and protector. Improves the functional efficiency of the liver.*
* Wild Chicory (Cichorium intybus) - Powerful hepatic stimulant, increases bile secretion, acts on liver glycogen and promotes digestion.*
* Black Nightshade (Solanum nigrum) ? Promotes liver and kidney health and has shown hepatoprotective activity in cases of toxicity induced by drugs and chemicals.*
* Arjuna (Terminalia arjuna) ? Tonic for heart and liver. Regulates hepatic cholesterol biosynthesis.*
* Negro Coffee (Cassia occidentalis) ? Digestive and hepatic tonic.*
* Yarrow (Achillea millefolium) ? Stimulative tonic for the liver.*
* Tamarisk (Tamarix gallica) - Hepatic stimulant; also provides digestive support.*

I would recommend a steady dose of Liv 52 starting 2 weeks prior to the cycle. Keep yourself FREE of alcohol on cycle and keep the same dose of Liv 52 in the offcycle.

Liver strength:
Liver toxicity from androgenic compounds and methylation in some cases are over-stated. However, it is of prime importance to understand that the liver is central to all bodybuilding. why? because it is the mother of all detoxifiers, a phoenix in itself that regenerates with damage.
In laymans terms It is also the site where Growth hormone is converted to IGF ... to cut a long story short, if you want to optimize the effect of all these anabolics you are taking, keep that liver of yours fit and fine, because while ON-cycle, you are giving it more damage than necessary

Normally, the liver needs protein to repair itself. During detoxification, however, it may be necessary for a patient to temporarily decrease dietary protein, especially if blood levels of ammonia are high. (Ammonia is a waste product of protein metabolism that can become elevated in advanced cases of liver disease, particularly cirrhosis.) In the absence of elevated ammonia levels, diets adequate in protein can hasten liver regeneration. The sulfur-containing amino acids methionine, cysteine and taurine are particularly important.

Basically for cycle support you can find the majority of the above compounds in AI cycle support or competetive edge labs life support.

PHERA PLEX CHEAT SHEET
Now that SD has been discontinued, I have compiled a few commonly asked questions new users ask before getting into PheraPlex from Anabolic Xtreme. Please note that this thread is by no means makes you completely knowledgeable.


I am 18, I have had 4 years plus lifting experience, I feel I’ve reached a plateau and want to use PheraPlex :
Ok, you know what I am going to say, and you guys are probably bored already hearing my rant, but hey if you are below 21, please do yourself a favor and do not even consider going towards anything hormonal.

This is my first ph cycle
PheraPlex is definitely not a product to toy around with. Unless you are extremely confident about your ability to assess and handle sides, I would strongly advise you to use something else like Prostanazol.

I have got my PP, now how do I start it?
The safest way to use PP is to keep the dosage low and slowly work your way up. Please note that PP is a new compound and as this FAQ is being written, results are pouring in, so go easy, start out low and ramp up to a higher dosage.

Week 1 – 10mg
Week 2 – 20mg
Week 3 - 30mg
Week 4 – 30mg

What times of the day do I take PP?
PP ia best taken when dosages are split throughout the day. The bioavailability is around 8-10 hours, hence one dose after a morning meal and one dose pre-workout would be very advisable.

Does PP require a PCT?
Yes, Pheraplex is highly androgenic and very anabolic. Infact it is more anabolic that Superdrol. That can give you a hint about its potency.So yes, PP does require a PCT.

Give me a sample PP PCT.
Week 5 Nolvadex or clomid 40mg 6oxo –600mg
Week 6 Nolvadex or clomid 40mg 6oxo - 600mg
Week 7 Nolvadex or clomid 20mg 6oxo – 300mg
Week 8 Nolvadex or clomid 20mg 6oxo - 100mg

Is 6oxo/R-xt/Novedex/ ATD on their own good enough by itself for a PP PCT, most people say it is enough
No! By no means is 6oxo standalone strong enough to restart the test production in your body. Also 6oxo is not as effective as Nolvadex. Sure, you can pin me down as Old school but hey, I prefer being safe than sorry. Nolvadex is therefore ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for an PP cycle. Please note its Nolvadex not novedex or nolvedex. Please look for Tamoxifen Citrate.

Also clomid whit 6oxo would suffice for a pct protocol.

[stangmatt06]

^ 6OXO was pulled from the shelves

Halodrol was recently pulled and reformulated for the 2nd time

CTD doesn't have the best prohormone type products.

There are tons of them out there and most give major sides so make sure you have a good PCT for any prohormone you are going to take.

[daddyzzs]

I just did some google and this stuff is what the women are using.. mtc

[AdamGH]

^ 6OXO was pulled from the shelves

Halodrol was recently pulled and reformulated for the 2nd time

CTD doesn't have the best prohormone type products.

There are tons of them out there and most give major sides so make sure you have a good PCT for any prohormone you are going to take.

how does all this stuff keep getting pulled off the shelves when stuff like spawn have been around for 2-3 years?