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    Gyno Reversal Log

    So I've had some gyno for about 3 years now. I have no idea exactly what caused it, but my guess is from bad pct after winny, superdrol, or epistane. It was originally in my right, went away, now in my left. I have <10 bf, so i can easily monitor any progress. It is about the size of a nickel. My plan is similar to the Cbino protocol (forget where it's from)--letro followed by ralox.

    Day 1: .25mg Letro
    Day 2: .5mg
    Day 3: .75mg
    Day 4: 1mg
    Day 5: 1.25mg ---> I plan on staying here for about a week to see how I feel. May increase to 2.5mg ed if need be.

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    I'm on day 4 now, been dosing in the morning. I felt an odd pain in my mid back after doing a set of external rotators (strange) yesterday, almost like i had slept in a bad postition. It still hurts today, not sure if its related to letro, but i'll see how it goes. I'm not noticing any decrease in sex drive or anything else yet, but i'll continue to update frequently.

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    keep us posted

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    Day 5: 1.25mg

    -back still kinds hurts, not sleeping the best--again though, can't be sure these things are related to letro...i'm going to stay at this dose for 5-7 days and see what happens
    -sex drive, energy level are still normal
    -as a side note i am also dieting during this time. I am eating very low carb, <20ed
    and taking yohimbe, maca, horny goat weed, milk thistle, and fish oil
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    Back now feels better...nothing to worry about...workouts have been good
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    day 6: 1.5mg

    so far nothing really...g2 be patient...sex drive is definitely not decreased...joints feel fine...i am actually gonna increase .25mg ed until 2.5mg where ill stay

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    Hopefully it works out for you bro. I got some Gyno here now and my nipple is bigger than the other one and its puffed out and tender, I hate it....

    I tried 40mg of Nolva ED for 7 days then did 20mg for 7 days and nothing.. didn't do squat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atibbo View Post
    Hopefully it works out for you bro. I got some Gyno here now and my nipple is bigger than the other one and its puffed out and tender, I hate it....

    I tried 40mg of Nolva ED for 7 days then did 20mg for 7 days and nothing.. didn't do squat!
    yea im trying to be patient....im gonna giv it at least 8 weeks of letro plus strict dieting...anything i can to help without surgery

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpl315 View Post
    yea im trying to be patient....im gonna giv it at least 8 weeks of letro plus strict dieting...anything i can to help without surgery
    Yes keep posting! I have a little gyno in my left, do not think the right nip is bad and just started a cycle, no sensitivity yet though. I have some letro and nolva on hand but the letro pills are already tiny and are 2.5mg, so best I can probably do is cut in half to get to 1.25, cannot imagine dosing .25! Trying to figure out my options once this 10 week cycle is over!

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    Day 7: 1.75mg
    still nothing too different....vascularity slightly increased most likely due to combination of letro and diet, but energy and sex drive is normal

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpl315 View Post
    Day 7: 1.75mg
    still nothing too different....vascularity slightly increased most likely due to combination of letro and diet, but energy and sex drive is normal
    I've decided to just get surgery and get it over with, mine is really bothering me and I just want it to be gone. Good luck with yours though bro I hope it works out for you.

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    Day 8: 2mg

    Nothing further to add as of now...

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    Right now I have been taking for the last 8 days:

    1 2.5mg Letro
    1 20mg nolvadex
    I take them every 12 hrs... so 10am and 10pm ED.

    I am currently on:
    1cc, 150mg Primo EOD
    3cc, 200mg Cyp (every 4th day)
    for about 2 months now.

    My gyno was almost the size of a golf ball under both nipples for over 2 years since I never took care of it before and never did PCT.

    Now they have both gone down half the size..
    My sex drive is through the roof and everything is normal and my gyno is going down. Not sure how long I will be taking it for but so far so good!

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    I'm following this also..... I got rid of a small lump under my left nip completely..... my right niplpe is a tad puffy and has a small lump in there..... nolva seems ot have shrunk it. I'm going to be in PCT in less than 2 weeks so i'm going to load up on the nolva and hope i can get rid of the right one too.

    ~Haz~

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    Day 9: 2.25mg

    still no changes..tomorrow when my max dosage of 2.5mg begins, so will my diet...to hfbd, nolva reduces letros effectiveness if taken at the same time...
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    I had a friend that just followed this same protocal and had success, although his gf was giving him hell because about 4 weeks into the letro his sex drive was zapped! Good luck bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by M302_Imola View Post
    I had a friend that just followed this same protocal and had success, although his gf was giving him hell because about 4 weeks into the letro his sex drive was zapped! Good luck bro!
    hi mate i know your gonna blow me coz im as stupid as hell. i done a cycle and was going ok until recently i noticed my left pec is not the same as the right one. so i stopped dbol immed and started taking tamoxafin but the strangest thing is no soars no itcheness or scratching just started developing and now theyre little tingly. what should i do. i took 60mg of tamoxafin yestreday and fourty today and will continue through. i was on 40mg of dbol a day for 3 weeks. any suggestions. thanks. kaz

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpl315 View Post
    Day 9: 2.25mg

    still no changes..tomorrow when my max dosage of 2.5mg begins, so will my diet...to hfbd, nolva reduces letros effectiveness if taken at the same time...
    So is it better to just take letro then without nolva? Cuz I heard taking both is very good to do at the same time from a few people. And so far the results are very very good doing this twice a day every 12hrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfbd View Post
    So is it better to just take letro then without nolva? Cuz I heard taking both is very good to do at the same time from a few people. And so far the results are very very good doing this twice a day every 12hrs

    Yes...see below...also...letro's half-life is 2 days, so you don't really need to separate it into 2 different doses each day unless its a personal preference

    Originally posted by hhajdo............

    tamoxifen can decrease plasma levels of letrozole ...

    Drug and hormone interactions of aromatase inhibitors.

    Dowsett M.

    Academic Department of Biochemistry, The Royal Marsden NHS Trust, London, UK.

    The clinical development of aromatase inhibitors has been largely confined to postmenopausal breast cancer patients and strongly guided by pharmacological data. Comparative oestrogen suppression has been helpful in circumstances in which at least one of the comparitors has caused substantially non-maximal aromatase inhibition. However, the triazole inhibitors, letrozole and anastrozole, and the steroidal inhibitor, exemestane, all cause >95% inhibition. Comparisons between these drugs therefore require more sensitive approaches such as the direct measurement of enzyme activity by isotopic means. None of these three agents has significant effects on other endocrine pathways at its clinically applied doses. Pharmacokinetic analyses of the combination of tamoxifen and letrozole have revealed that these drugs interact, resulting in letrozole concentrations approximately 35-40% lower than when letrozole is used alone.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
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    ...im going to update each week instead of each day from now on since nothing really changes in one day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpl315 View Post
    Yes...see below...also...letro's half-life is 2 days, so you don't really need to separate it into 2 different doses each day unless its a personal preference

    Originally posted by hhajdo............

    tamoxifen can decrease plasma levels of letrozole ...

    Drug and hormone interactions of aromatase inhibitors.

    Dowsett M.

    Academic Department of Biochemistry, The Royal Marsden NHS Trust, London, UK.

    The clinical development of aromatase inhibitors has been largely confined to postmenopausal breast cancer patients and strongly guided by pharmacological data. Comparative oestrogen suppression has been helpful in circumstances in which at least one of the comparitors has caused substantially non-maximal aromatase inhibition. However, the triazole inhibitors, letrozole and anastrozole, and the steroidal inhibitor, exemestane, all cause >95% inhibition. Comparisons between these drugs therefore require more sensitive approaches such as the direct measurement of enzyme activity by isotopic means. None of these three agents has significant effects on other endocrine pathways at its clinically applied doses. Pharmacokinetic analyses of the combination of tamoxifen and letrozole have revealed that these drugs interact, resulting in letrozole concentrations approximately 35-40% lower than when letrozole is used alone.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
    Yup.

    Found and read this again yesterday.

    That link is dead: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10731107?ordinalpos=&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.P ubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.SmartSearch&log$=citatio nsensor

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    Interesting post,,,keep us posted on progress.

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    ok keep us posted, im currently on cycle and im also taking letro 2.5mg a day to try and reverse my gyno behind my right nipple. fingers crossed

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    I am going to give this a run to.

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    so is it best to do this method on cycle or off? Or dies it really matter?

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    well its day 16...i really don't think anything has happened so far...size hasnt changed, either has energy levels or sex drive...its still early though

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpl315 View Post
    well its day 16...i really don't think anything has happened so far...size hasnt changed, either has energy levels or sex drive...its still early though
    That long and nothing has changed yet? Mine is changing every day. Something should have happend for you now dont you think? I got like almost nothing left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfbd View Post
    That long and nothing has changed yet? Mine is changing every day. Something should have happend for you now dont you think? I got like almost nothing left.
    Thats impressive bro. I wish my gyno would go away. I have been on letro and nolva for months now and cant seem to get rid of this little thing in my left nip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtrain View Post
    Thats impressive bro. I wish my gyno would go away. I have been on letro and nolva for months now and cant seem to get rid of this little thing in my left nip.
    Ya I guess im luckly thank god... Wow for months hey? Im only gonna do it for another week... I dont feel like messing my body up to much from taking letro.. Need some estrogen to keep gaining, and want a bit of water retention. Since im 5% body fat and ******. I need to get some more bulk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfbd View Post
    That long and nothing has changed yet? Mine is changing every day. Something should have happend for you now dont you think? I got like almost nothing left.
    day 20: NOTHING
    yea thatd make sense...youre lucky i guess...i have heard from many that it doesn't work though...maybe i should try raloxifene...

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    Ya I been taking it for 19 days now...
    sex drive, eating, all that is all normal still and rocking =)

    Left side is all gone but right side doesnt seem to be doing anything anymore.. Its gone down a tremendous amount... Gonna stop taking letro and start on arimidex EOD now.

    Anyone know how to get rid of the puffy nipple now though? The gyno is pretty much gone but I still got the bitch tit look, pointy kinda lookin nips now. stupid... Any suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hfbd View Post
    Ya I been taking it for 19 days now...
    sex drive, eating, all that is all normal still and rocking =)

    Left side is all gone but right side doesnt seem to be doing anything anymore.. Its gone down a tremendous amount... Gonna stop taking letro and start on arimidex EOD now.

    Anyone know how to get rid of the puffy nipple now though? The gyno is pretty much gone but I still got the bitch tit look, pointy kinda lookin nips now. stupid... Any suggestions?
    Surgery is probably going to be your only opinion in the long run bro..

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    I would love to know how to get rid of puffy nipples, I have always had them, even though I've always been under 15% bf my whole life. It sucks, and I'd rather find another way than surgery.

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    this thread has gotten off topic i suppose....anyway, i guess my next try is ralox even tho people say letro is a last effort b4 surgery drug....there seems to be more scientific proof for ralox though...i got my letro from ******* by the way so...hmm

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    hmm i was gonna ask b4 i typed that if i could talk sources...guess not?

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    Well I am on day 22 of using letro 2.5mg ED now
    decided to keep going on the letro till my bottle ran out, good thing i kept going.

    My gyno is my right nipple has started to go down again finally!, after 4 days of no progress.. So this is a good sign..
    Still dealing with the puffy nipple problem lookin like a bitch tit, but were glad the gyno has started to progress down again, so hopefully after a bit it will go away maybe.

    Though now I sorta feel like im losing weight now for being on letro for so long, I guess all my water and everything has been sucked out of me dry. Still hitting the weights and following my diet hard. Only lost around 3 lbs.. gonna up my diet a bit and start to take some Mutant Mass shakes.. 1050 calories in 1 serving (4 scoops)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfbd View Post
    Well I am on day 22 of using letro 2.5mg ED now
    decided to keep going on the letro till my bottle ran out, good thing i kept going.

    My gyno is my right nipple has started to go down again finally!, after 4 days of no progress.. So this is a good sign..
    Still dealing with the puffy nipple problem lookin like a bitch tit, but were glad the gyno has started to progress down again, so hopefully after a bit it will go away maybe.

    Though now I sorta feel like im losing weight now for being on letro for so long, I guess all my water and everything has been sucked out of me dry. Still hitting the weights and following my diet hard. Only lost around 3 lbs.. gonna up my diet a bit and start to take some Mutant Mass shakes.. 1050 calories in 1 serving (4 scoops)
    did you start at 2.5 or increase from like .25 or something?...i seriously felt no difference in anything after 3 weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpl315 View Post
    did you start at 2.5 or increase from like .25 or something?...i seriously felt no difference in anything after 3 weeks
    I started at 2.5 letro with 20mg nolvadex every 12 hrs.
    then you said to not do nolva with letro and only once a day.. so I went from that amount to doing only 2.5 letro once a day ED.

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