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    Your body weight (but taking your height into account)

    If a guy is 6'3" and weighs over 200 pounds then it's not a big deal, he might not be that muscley.

    However if a guy is 5'3" and weighs over 200 pounds, he's probably built like a rhino. (Assuming he's not obese!)

    This got me thinking. When comparing two people's weight, would it not be better to "normalise" their bodyweight to a certain height (such as 5'10") before comparing them? I've never seen people do this before.

    What I mean to say is, instead of just saying that Jack is 5'1" and 154 lb, and that John is 6'2" and 223 lb, you could specify the weight that they would be if they were 5'10". Then it would be easy to compare them.

    I was playing around with calculating this just now. Here's what I was thinking:

    The human body is a 3-dimensional shape. 3D shapes have the following three properties:
    1) Length
    2) Surface Area
    3) Volume and Mass

    If you take a 3D object and "blow it up" (as in the way you blow up a photograph to make it bigger), then the way these three properties change can be predicted mathematically.

    I'm 5'3" tall. If my height was to be multiplied by 2, making me 10'6", then that would result in my surface area being multiplied by 4, and my volume and mass being multiplied by 8. I'll explain:

    The 4 comes from 2 squared (i.e. 2 to the power of 2).
    The 8 comes from 2 cubed (i.e. 2 to the power of 3).

    Right now I'm 5'3" tall and I weigh 133 pounds. I want to figure out how much I would weight if I were taller, say about 5'10". Here's how I'd do it:

    First I'll convert my height to inches, so that's 5 x 12 + 3, which is 63 inches.
    Next I convert my target height to inches, so that's 5 x 12 + 10, which is 70 inches.

    Now I need to figure out the factor that my height will be multiplied by, so I divide 70 by 63 to give me 1.1111111111.

    In order to find out how heavy I would be, I first need to take this figure and cube it, giving 1.371742112482853224.

    I then multiply this number by my original weight, and it gives me: 182.4 pounds.

    So there you have it: If I was 5'10", I'd weigh 182.4 pounds.

    If I was 6'0", I'd weigh 201 pounds!

    I learned about this stuff in a nature book. The book had a picture of a rhino and it gave an explanation of why a rhino's limbs are so big in relation to its body size (think about it, it has way bigger limbs relative to its body size than most other animals). Basically the explanation was as follows:
    As an animal becomes taller, its surface area and mass increase far faster than its height. For instance if you make an animal 3 times taller, it results in it being 27 times heavier (because 3 cubed is 27).

    Because a rhino is so heavy, its strength must be increased by increasing the cross-sectional area of its muscles, meaning it gets thicker limbs.

    Another good thing it explained is that strength is proportional to the surface area of the cross-section of a muscle. So in the end, it comes together like this:
    If an animal is 3 times taller, then it's 9 times stronger, and it's 27 times heavier.

    One thing you can take from this, is that taller people will have more difficulty doing exercises which involve their own bodyweight, e.g. chin-up's. So if you see a tall person doing chin-up's well, you know he's strong!

    While you've got the image of a rhino in your head, think about a preying mantis. The preying mantis has very long skinny legs in relation to its body size. If the preying mantis were "blown up" to the size of a human being, it wouldn't be able to support its body with those skinny legs, it would have to make like a rhino and develop thicker stronger limbs.

    Here's another measurement I can do: At the moment, my one-repetition maximum for flat bench press is 157 pounds. I want to figure out what that would be if I were 5'10". If I were 5'10", then the cross-sectional area of my muscles would be greater, meaning I'd be stronger. The factor by which the cross-sectional area of my muscles increases is equal to the square of the factor by which my height increases.

    We already calculated that if I was 5'10", I'd be 1.111111111111 times as tall. So I just square this number and multiply it by bench max:

    157 x (1.1111111111 squared) = 193 pounds

    So if I was 5'10", my flat bench 1-rep max would be 193 pounds.

    Anyway maybe some will find this stuff interesting. At least I do

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    I'll move this to the lounge for you...
    Btw, if I were 12'6" I would be well over 500lbs.

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    what sticks out to me is a 157 pound bench max.....and quite frankly it scares me

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    I've been lifting for 10 months, I don't think 157 is too bad (for my height of course).

    Only about a month or two ago my max was 123 lb. I'm making progress.

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    157 lbs and been lifting almost a year... Meh.. thats like a plate and 10lbs....... What are your stats........... I think I started lifting at 15 y/o with like 110lbs haha... I remember those days though.... Then again I was probably like 130lbs. Damn if only I knew what I knew now..... Ide be like well over 200lbs. HAHA. my diet was shit!

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    Stats:
    Height: 5'3"
    Weight: 133 pounds
    Started lifting 10 months ago (I was 116 pounds 10 months ago, so I've put on 17 pounds)
    22 years old

    Started my first cycle 8 weeks ago (Using Sustanon on its own, 1 shot every 3 days)

    My strength is increasing quickly at the moment, I'm really happy with it.

    I'm slowly trying to increase my food intake. I tried to increase it very suddenly but that didn't work, it just made me feel like shit when I went to bed, and also my stomach couldn't hack much food for the next 2 days.

    My diet is mostly eggs, steak and chicken.

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    You need to load up on carbs to bulk not just rely on proteins. Seriously eat every 2 hours. What weight were you when you started cycling?

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    I started cycling at 120 pounds. So that means I've put on 13 pounds since the start of the cycle. (Again take into account that I'm 5'3", because that would equate to 18 pounds if I were 5'10").

    Since I started this cycle I look way different, and everybody's saying it to me.

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    Wow you are small, I have dated women that are your height or even smaller and weighed about the same pre-cycle. You are a tiny guy you need to bulk up naturally before rellying on the juice, and your 13=18 is all crap plus its likely alot of water weight too.

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    ummm even if i have sex with my date tonight i'll have never ****ed a chick that's as small as you......and **** yea....you have absolutely zero business on juice at that weight regardless of height in my opinion.....at 5'3 170 would be decent.....i'm only 5'7 so it ain't like i'm 2 heads taller than you and i'm 220....loll maybe i really am huge?

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    Ruhl, werent u a virgin last time u were on here?

    i thought i read some of ur shit like that, either way, good luck tonight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almond View Post
    157 x (1.1111111111 squared) = 193 pounds

    So if I was 5'10", my flat bench 1-rep max would be 193 pounds.
    If you were 5'10" @ around 200lbs then your 1-rep max better be way more than 193 lbs!!

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    Nice work if this is from you.

    I'm almost 5'11. (5'10) And I'm actually 200lbs.

    My max rep is well into the 225+.

    So this is a cool thread. Thanks, really.

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    Worry less about what number you can pick up and more on how it makes you feel.

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    I've made a spreadsheet for calculating this stuff automatically but I can't attach it because the forum doesn't support ".xls" attachments.

    Maybe an administrator could add ".xls" to the list of allowed attachments? (".xls" is only used for spreadsheets).

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    just take a screen shot of it, alt + printscreen , upload.

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    If I take a screenshot I'll lose the formulas in the spreadsheet.

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    Really interesting calculations. Some people use wrist and ankle measurements to guess at the theoretical maximum measurements that a person can reach.

    There's a page about this that might interest you. It contains a formula for predicting weight for height for natural lifters as well as formulas for calves, arms etc. I plugged it into a spreadsheet and found that I can still grow some more!

    I'm 5'2" and weight fluctuates 135-140 lbs. Bodyfat pretty high at 25% though.
    Lifting naturally for two years. Older female.

    One question: Sustanon after only 10 months lifting?? Why so soon? Is it by prescription?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strategus View Post
    One question: Sustanon after only 10 months lifting?? Why so soon? Is it by prescription?
    No other reason than: I wanted to be big, and I wanted to get as big as possible as quickly as possible

    By the way, I know a guy who started taking steroids from Day 1 of training. He met a bodybuilder guy at the gym and told him he wanted to get into bodybuilding, so next thing you know he's on steroids and the bodybuilder guy is training him at the gym (for $20 an hour I might add).

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    Last edited by eatrainrest; 12-21-2024 at 11:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almond View Post
    No other reason than: I wanted to be big, and I wanted to get as big as possible as quickly as possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almond View Post
    I started cycling at 120 pounds. So that means I've put on 13 pounds since the start of the cycle. (Again take into account that I'm 5'3", because that would equate to 18 pounds if I were 5'10").

    Since I started this cycle I look way different, and everybody's saying it to me.
    This has to be a joke. At 120lbs he wouldn't even have enough leg muscle to inject into.


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    i don't even know where to begin with everything wrong with the OP

    but in the concept of being supportive.. you need to worry more about your diet and training then "what ifs" and juice...

    not to bash you but u shouldn't have touched juice until u had more knowledge training and time.. plus u are too young.. now if u have a medical problem stopping you from gaining muscle and size that is something u needed a doctor to help you with not 10months of training and already injecting..

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    This has to be a joke. At 120lbs he wouldn't even have enough leg muscle to inject into.
    He probably just did his shots in his glute with an insulin needle.

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    Correct, I stick an insulin needle into my glute.

    I did my first solo injection today. The guy who normally does the injection for me guided me through it. At first I pushed the needle against my skin and didn't have the balls to push it in, but then I was like f*** it I'll do it quickly, so I just darted it in, then I pressed the plunger slowly. Done.

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    I sincerely hope you are kidding ^^^^^^^^

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    Almond, your calculations are off as far as bench max is concerned

    you can't predict bench max by simple mathmatics like this, you are disregarding several factors, here are just some of them

    -mechanical advantage due to length of arm
    -tendon placement
    -density of myocytes
    -ability of CNS to cause muscle contraction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phate View Post
    Almond, your calculations are off as far as bench max is concerned
    The calculation was for a smaller person that's been "blown up" to a bigger size, keeping everything in the same proportions.

    Of course this can't be exact, but I thought it would be pretty damn close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almond View Post
    The calculation was for a smaller person that's been "blown up" to a bigger size, keeping everything in the same proportions.

    Of course this can't be exact, but I thought it would be pretty damn close.
    those are off as well, you are forgetting that when you add muscle you also add water, glycogen, etc....

    if you add fat your water weight will increase minimally, lots of variables to account for

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    Almond, I wish you the very best man.. But i think you need to make your way over to the workout and diet sections of this forum.. because there are much better ways to make gains and long term ways to grow than to just start injecting at 22yrs old and 120lbs.. and there is no math or chart that will ever equal what a gain is for two different people of different builds. pull up the Mr O pose pictures, and see guys all standing next to each other most of them around the same weight, and u can see even at that level body builds and muscle is totaly different..

    I understand you want to get bigger and grow. heck I have a brother that is 125lbs and probably stay that size even though he is really strong and works out....but even him its because his diet is for shit mostly.

    man out of all places in the world. this board can help you the best, you have everything from real body buildiers to people in medical field to certifeid trainiers giving free advice... but just like neo. we can lead you to the door, its you who has to open it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phate View Post
    those are off as well, you are forgetting that when you add muscle you also add water, glycogen, etc....

    if you add fat your water weight will increase minimally, lots of variables to account for
    The strength calculation might be off, I admit, because strength has a hell of a lot more to do with than simply the cross-sectional area of muscle.

    However I think the mass one is pretty exact. If mathematics, there's the concept of "similar" objects. If you say two objects are "similar", it means that they're exactly the same except one of them is a "blown up" version of the other, meaning everything is in the same proportions. Regardless of what's inside the object, (e.g. blood, bone, muscle), the volume of all parts of it will increase by the same percentage.

    Have you ever seen the way a person might put a $1 bill next to something small when taking a photograph, the idea is the dollar bill gives an idea of how big the thing is. If you have something on its own in a photograph, without anything beside it to compare the size to, then you've no idea how big it is. What I have in mind, is that when you "blow up" the shorter bodybuilder, he will look exactly the same. The only way you'll be able to tell that he's been "blown up" is if you see the taller bodybuilder standing next to a door frame or something like that.

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