TEST E or VAR For a First Cycle?

[BJJ]

I already have on hand everything I need to start the cycle. But which one?
Now, I have to make up my mind and choose wich cycle to go for, considering I want to be a little heavier, 10 pounds lean mass no more.
Blood analyses done and everything is on order.

Stats: 6'1½ feet, 190 pounds, 12 body fat %, 36 yo, 15 years experience

Which cycle would you choose if you were in my shoes, considering also I am a martial artist and cannot become too heavy?

CYCLE 1

Week 1-10
Test en 500 mg EW

Week 13-16
Nolva 40/20/20/20 ED mg
Clomid 50/50/25/25 ED mg

1. If I decide to use HCG during cycle, I'll add also Tamox 20mg ED.
2. If I decide not to use HCG during cycle, I'll have Adex on hand, 0,5mg ED till sides subside.
3. If I decide not to use HCG during cycle, I'll run it last 2W (9-10) of cycle and 2W prior beginning pct (11-12) 250iu ED + Tamox 20mg ED.

CYCLE 2

Week 1-10
Anavar 40 mg ED (all in the morning at breakfast)

Week 11-12
Clomid 50/25 mg ED

Under your opinion, which could fit better for me?
And which is the safest for the organism?
Thank you

[JiGGaMaN]

both are good i think.

[Dont wanna be old]

Never had opportunity to get hands on var .

So I would stick with what I know . Test E .

I would say your gonna grow to where people will notice .
If this is your first cycle , your lean and athletic right now .
Welcome to light heavy weight class < 205

[sizerp]

I already have on hand everything I need to start the cycle. But which one?
Now, I have to make up my mind and choose wich cycle to go for, considering I want to be a little heavier, 10 pounds lean mass no more.
Blood analyses done and everything is on order.

Stats: 6'15 feet, 190 pounds, 12 body fat %, 36 yo, 15 years experience

Which cycle would you choose if you were in my shoes, considering also I am a martial artist and cannot become too heavy?

CYCLE 1

Week 1-10
Test en 500 mg EW

Week 13-16
Nolva 40/20/20/20 ED mg
Clomid 50/50/25/25 ED mg

1. If I decide to use HCG during cycle, I'll add also Tamox 20mg ED.
2. If I decide not to use HCG during cycle, I'll have Adex on hand, 0,5mg ED till sides subside.
3. If I decide not to use HCG during cycle, I'll run it last 2W (9-10) of cycle and 2W prior beginning pct (11-12) 250iu ED + Tamox 20mg ED.

CYCLE 2

Week 1-10
Anavar 40 mg ED (all in the morning at breakfast)

Week 11-12
Clomid 50/25 mg ED

Under your opinion, which could fit better for me?
And which is the safest for the organism?
Thank you

If you run an HCG and A-dex or Aromasin combination during, it would be sufficient in my experience. Also, if you do want to just run HCG without an AI and use Nolvadex instead... 10mg may be OK instead of 20mg. Personally I'd go with an AI and HCG because you'd benefit from the combated estro sides from the start. Maybe A-dex @ .25mg EOD. If you do run the AI you can drop the Nolva, obviously.

And personally I'd only run the Var for 6 weeks max, at 60mg ED.

[hankdiesel]

I'd go with the test cycle for sure. How tall are you? 6'15 is a little confusing.

[TITANIUM]

Test E=first cycle

Keep the Var for a later cycle.

best

T

[james21]

If it is your first cycle go for test! But if you want to lean out ... but where out of season for that. I would save the var, and go ahead and do the test.

[Bojangles69]

Why either or, just do both. I still think its newbiesh if it makes you feel any better lol.

But seriously, imo var is NOTHING like test. I would much rather do the test, but then if you are going to do the test, throwing var over it really isn't a big deal as its so friggn mild.
If you were saying test or d-bol now that would be a different story. Cause those are 2 compounds with a bit of kick to them, but my var only cycle last year although it was good, it was almost a joke how weak var is. Sure it'll get your strength up but I think it so weak might as well just throw it in the mix

[Ashop]

both are good i think.

I think you could go either way myself too. Have you ever had your natural hormones tested to see where your at?

[beachboygemini]

Hey, just an idea that I read on another forum. I have never done aas.
Var-40-50mg ed wks 1-8
Proviron-25mg ed wks 3-8
Clomid-50mg ed wks 9-11
Proviron is another mild androgenic type dht derived aas and its not 17 alpha blah blah blah

[Tarheel]

what are your goals? If your a martial artist and worried about too much weight gain I would do the var. How much cycle experience do you have? Plus you mentioned lean body mass gain and the test will hold some water whereas the var wont.

[gymnerd]

Test will give you better mass gains for much less cash. If you are looking for good strength gains without the mass then Var might be the way to go.

[BJJ]

If you run an HCG and A-dex or Aromasin combination during, it would be sufficient in my experience. Also, if you do want to just run HCG without an AI and use Nolvadex instead... 10mg may be OK instead of 20mg. Personally I'd go with an AI and HCG because you'd benefit from the combated estro sides from the start. Maybe A-dex @ .25mg EOD. If you do run the AI you can drop the Nolva, obviously. thanks, I'll take notice of that.

And personally I'd only run the Var for 6 weeks max, at 60mg ED. why it's that? because of the liver toxicity?

Also, do I need to start taking it gradually? like 20/20/40/40/60...

[BJJ]

I'd go with the test cycle for sure. How tall are you? 6'15 is a little confusing.

wrongly written. 6'1½ is correct I suppose.

[BJJ]

I think you could go either way myself too. Have you ever had your natural hormones tested to see where your at?

Yes just received all the results yesterday.
I checked, regarding hormones:

HTG
PRL
FT3 (T3 FREE)
FT4 (T4 FREE)
TESTOSTERONE TTL & FREE
ESTRADIOL 17-BETA
PROGESTERONE
HGH
FSH
TSH
LH
DHEA (Deidroepiandrosterone)
DHEAS
DHT (Dihydrotestosterone)
SHBG
CORTISOL

[BJJ]

Hey, just an idea that I read on another forum. I have never done aas.
Var-40-50mg ed wks 1-8
Proviron-25mg ed wks 3-8
Clomid-50mg ed wks 9-11
Proviron is another mild androgenic type dht derived aas and its not 17 alpha blah blah blah

Thanks for the clue, I'll check it out.

[thai-lan]

CYCLE 1

Week 1-10
Test en 500 mg EW

Week 13-16
Nolva 40/20/20/20 ED mg
Clomid 50/50/25/25 ED mg

1. If I decide to use HCG during cycle, I'll add also Tamox 20mg ED.
2. If I decide not to use HCG during cycle, I'll have Adex on hand, 0,5mg ED till sides subside.
3. If I decide not to use HCG during cycle, I'll run it last 2W (9-10) of cycle and 2W prior beginning pct (11-12) 250iu ED + Tamox 20mg ED.

CYCLE 2

Week 1-10
Anavar 40 mg ED (all in the morning at breakfast)

Week 11-12
Clomid 50/25 mg ED

Under your opinion, which could fit better for me?
And which is the safest for the organism?
Thank you

go with test e as you wouldnt see much results with 40mg Var .. and another info for you , if u ever would run anavar , you should know that ur not meant to take them all in the morning because of its half life is something like 8-11 hours?

[BJJ]

what are your goals? as said to gain no more than 10lbs and improve strengthIf your a martial artist and worried about too much weight gain I would do the var. How much cycle experience do you have? it's my first cyle, so nonePlus you mentioned lean body mass gain and the test will hold some water whereas the var wont. that's also an issue for me. is it worth to get more weight which is related to water?

still thinking... after all as expected, everyone has different point of view.

[BJJ]

go with test e as you wouldnt see much results with 40mg Var .. and another info for you , if u ever would run anavar , you should know that ur not meant to take them all in the morning because of its half life is something like 8-11 hours?

I see what you are saying.
I thought taking it all in the morning after having read this thread:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94756

When should ox be dosed?
There are two camps.

Camp 1: Take it all in the morning. The rationale is that your blood concentrations will 'fall off' by the time you go to bed, which will limit HPTA impact during this crucial "recentering" time for your body.

Camp 2: Spread it out evenly through the day. This will keep blood concentrations steady. Plus, don't we want that nice anabolic substance in our veins during our growth at night?

My comments: With a halflife of 9 hours, this issue is virtually meaningless. The ideas used in "camp 1" apply well when you have a substance with a 3 hour halflife (dbol), (e.g. if 30mg of dbol is taken at 9am, only about 1 miligram is left in your bloodstream by bedtime. great.) I don't think things pan out so well with a 9 hour halflife drug. If 40mg is taken at 9am, at bedtime you will have approximately 10mg or more in your bloodstream. You would have about 15 at bedtime if you took it 4 times evenly through the day. I don't think you are giving your body any dropoff at night anyway.

Conclusion: Take it whenever you want. Choose the camp you agree with and do it, things will work out.

[andre300]

End your 12 weel test cycle off with 7 weeks of VAR, i just finished the same course. Dropped 8% body fat,gained about 18# and i look alot leaner.

[BJJ]

End your 12 weel test cycle off with 7 weeks of VAR, i just finished the same course. Dropped 8% body fat,gained about 18#you mean 18% or 18lbs? and i look alot leaner.

and what about strength?
Furthermore, what's your age?
PCT needed?

[ghettoboyd]

personaly i would just do test e first like most first cycles so you can see how you react to the compuond......thats what im doing myself....the var will be there for next cycle,or as someone suggested us it toward the end of your cycle if all is going well and you want to see what var can do.....good luck