First Cyle- Test Prop 100mg EOD

[rth113]

I recently started my first cycle of test prop at 400 mg per week, EOD. Ive been training a little over 3 years. When i started a was 5'9, 135 lbs..so.. I'm on my fourth week, i still have another 6 weeks left. So far weight gain has only gone up about 6 pounds, body fat has decreased, and strength has increased. Muscle fullness and vascularity have also increased.. i feel the benefits of test, but i feel as if i should be gaining more weight. i know i won't be retaining as much water weight, but i'm still looking to pack on another 15 to 20 pounds. I started the cylce at 21years old, 5'9, 173 lbs, 10.6%BF, i'm now 179 at 9.4%BF. i'm trying to consume 3600-4200 calories per day.. i'm not eating entirley clean, as my body fat is relatively low, and can afford to jump up, but i am consuming alot of protein, and trying to consume more brown carbs, and healthier fats.... any suggestions on more weight gain? i'd like to weigh in at 195 lbs when done, and maintain 185-188 after pct, which will be Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Letro .5 mg on last week of test, and throughout pct.

[TITANIUM]

You are aware of the risk factors that encompass your HPTA at your age.

Correct?


Best

T

[TITANIUM]

I see I have D7M and Rana here.

I'm in good company.

And yes, we have but another misguided soul.^^^^^^

Best

T

[RANA]

I see I have D7M and Rana here.
I'm in good company.

And yes, we have but another misguided soul.^^^^^^

Best

T

Yes I looked but I realized that you have it from here, plus he already started so it might be a bit too late to repeat what you, d7m and marcus always tell these guys! But I have to admit there have been a small handful to gusy that actually listen.

[Chev]

Your not going to gain 25 pounds on a test P cycle. Sorry!! If u wanted the weight you should have done C or E, but its mostly water. Be happy if u get 12 pounds. PS: your to young.

[TITANIUM]

Why are people encouraging this.

He's 21

He should stop his cycle asap, and start his pct.

Your PCT needs some work.

Best

T

[glover]

You will probably not gain 26lbs while loosing fat on 400mg prop per week. I would be patient as you will make some big gains in the weeks ahead. Just remember that since you are not going to be adding 20lbs of water weight that the other testosterones would, that what gains you do make will be better retained. I usually lose 10lbs after a cyle of prop.
I think you will reach your goal. But your most likely to retain at the bottom of your desired range of 185lbs. Thats still great gains coming from 173lbs in one cycle.

[D7M]

Shouldn't have cycled at your age, but too late for that now.

You should at least go read up in the pct section, and don't run letro in your pct.

[TITANIUM]

Shouldn't have cycled at your age, but too late for that now.

You should at least go read up in the pct section, and don't run letro in your pct.

Agreed.^^^^^

Best

T

[Mooseman33]

^^^agree D.

please dont run letro in ur PCT..

[chuckt12345]

and redo your math,,, its 350mg/wk

[rth113]

yeah, i do understand the risks, and i do understand that i'm young to be running a cycle, but the fact is i have already started, and i'm looking for advice..nolva 4 weeks, after a ten week cycle and i am curious as to why letro would be a bad choice of a pct? i know that it will affect triglycerides and cholesterol levels, but also will supress estrogen up to 93% at just.5 mg ED.. a cycle is going to have a negative affect on HTPA regardless of age, and yes i do understand because i am only 21 that i still do have a surpluss of natural test and hormonal levels so i will supress it at a young age.. if anyone has suggestions on a dfferent post i'd like to hear them. i understand most are just giving an opinion, but i have already taken that step into starting a cycle, so i'd appreciate any feedback on weight gaining, and PCT for keeping more gains.

[laduem88]

did 100mg eod as my first cycle and loved it! gained 23 pounds, stayed around the same bf. IMO at your age your ok to cycle but make sure you know the risks

[rth113]

yeah, i've done alot of research and talked to alot of people that cycle consistantly.. but i know everyone is going to react differently to the hormones. i'm ust looking for additional advice from others that have used test prop, what they used as a pct, gains, and any other info. ps, prop is a pain in the ass, the benzo alcohol content can burn, especially in smaller muscle groups and not a big fan of EOD.. but i didnt want the water retention associated with E or Cyp. any other suggestions?
thanks

[number28]

Just curious did you get any bloodwork done? u would need to protect ur natural test production at your age...

Im also going to go on a prop, first time cycle in the next week. Super phyiced, cant wait.
Heres some info I found useful on the 2 diff pct products I want to use, still deciding:

HCG acts like LH mostly, not FSH. I know that using HCG is not really to preserve natural test production. It will do this only to a slight degree. The main reason is to keep you testicles up to spec and familiar with receiving a signal so that they are ready to act on the real LH signal once it returns..

Now on the other hand i have read about some pretty impressive benefits using nolvadex from the profiles page on this website. Quoting...

“Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (2)(3). The best (rough) estimate I can give you from my research is that 20mgs of I can give you from my research is that 20mgs of raise your of course greatly aid post-cycle-recovery. What this means to us is that if you take is that if you take raise your levels of will greatly aid recovery. In fact, if I were limited to just one compound to aid me in post-cycle-recovery, Nolvadex would be my choice. If you want a comparison, it would require 150mgs of of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but nolvadex also significantly increased the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRL (5), after 6 weeks.”

Good luck and PLEASE keep me/us posted!!

[jester4710]

i don't want to high jack this thread but why is everyone shunning the use of letro for his pct?

[diesel094]

add clomid to the pct.... 100,100,50,50

i gained around 18 lbs on my 1st cycle whuch was test p 100mg EOD for 8 weeks... its not all about the gear man... its also how u eat, train and most importantly gemetics... good luck

[amcon]

the risks are great at your age... rethink it.

also if you continue your goals are off from what steroids test p will do for you... next time consult some one smart in this area befroe you start

[rth113]

yeah, im consuming roughly 320-360 g of protein a day... ratio is aproximately 50-30-20.. as far as gains, i know i will not gain as much as i'd like on test prop, but being a first cyle i wanted to minimize bloat, and also wanted to see how my body would react to the compound.. if any sides arise that cant be controlled, the ester on prop will allow immediate pct and allow test to clear the system fast.. as far as training is concerned im overloading particular muscle groups at a different day, doing sets of 4 to 6, reps of 5-8, depending on lift and weight.. i'm also incorporating alot of core synergistic movements, which ultimately will increase strenght on compound lifts.. i do understand the risks are high at my age, but risks are high at any age. and at a young age, test levels will return faster.. and no blood work done, blood work will be done after feb 6th at the end of the cycle.. i'm a newbie to all this, but i've done research and just looking for advice and best way to keep gains.. still no one has answered to the discouragement of letro, which i have on hand as well as nolva.. taking fish oils, multi's... and to number28, if test prop is your first cycle, expect slow progress, but steady results as the ester acts fast. you will be a pin cushion and will need to rotate sites. quads are painful, i found the dorsal and ventral gulteal sites take well ( so far) and can accept the most ml's as compared to other muscle groups. the ester may burn, as the benzo alcohol content is high. so good luck.. also wieght is up to 182.. 5 more weeks.

[D7M]

yeah, im consuming roughly 320-360 g of protein a day... ratio is aproximately 50-30-20.. as far as gains, i know i will not gain as much as i'd like on test prop, but being a first cyle i wanted to minimize bloat, and also wanted to see how my body would react to the compound.. if any sides arise that cant be controlled, the ester on prop will allow immediate pct and allow test to clear the system fast.. as far as training is concerned im overloading particular muscle groups at a different day, doing sets of 4 to 6, reps of 5-8, depending on lift and weight.. i'm also incorporating alot of core synergistic movements, which ultimately will increase strenght on compound lifts.. i do understand the risks are high at my age, but risks are high at any age. and at a young age, test levels will return faster.. and no blood work done, blood work will be done after feb 6th at the end of the cycle.. i'm a newbie to all this, but i've done research and just looking for advice and best way to keep gains.. still no one has answered to the discouragement of letro, which i have on hand as well as nolva.. taking fish oils, multi's... and to number28, if test prop is your first cycle, expect slow progress, but steady results as the ester acts fast. you will be a pin cushion and will need to rotate sites. quads are painful, i found the dorsal and ventral gulteal sites take well ( so far) and can accept the most ml's as compared to other muscle groups. the ester may burn, as the benzo alcohol content is high. so good luck.. also wieght is up to 182.. 5 more weeks.

Letro will crush mostly all of your estrogen, and when you discontinue it, you'll experience an 'estrogen rebound' as your body tries to return to homeostasis.

that's not what you want when you're finishing your pct.

[rth113]

thanks finally, i just read that letro has a rebound effect after use.. i'm on a low dose of test, only 400 mg a week, so nolva should be affective as a proper pct.

[Vitruvian-Man]

thanks finally, i just read that letro has a rebound effect after use.. i'm on a low dose of test, only 400 mg a week, so nolva should be affective as a proper pct.

you may recover from the just nolvadex PCT.. but it's poorly thought out bro. Think about it, this is your first cycle.. you don't know weather or not you are going to be shut down hard post cycle (some have much harder recoveries then others...) If you're one of those unlucky ones, and the nolvadex isn't able to bring your HPTA back to full-function you could potentially be suck w/ low-testosterone levels for a while...

Pretty dumb decision considering clomid is like 50$

[rth113]

well i can stil get clomid, i have a while before i have to use pct.. ive read that clomid can also have some weird sides too, including like vision impairment and all? but thanks for the imput, i'll add clomid to the post, thanks