2nd Cycle, Please Criticize

[BJJ]

Stats
37 years old
6'1½ Feet
Body Weight: 94 kg (206,8 lbs)
Body Fat: 12,3
Body Water: 63,5%

II Cycle (1st Option)
Bulking
Week 1-10___Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg ew (250x2)
Week 1-10___ Mesterolone (Proviron) 50 mg ed
Week 1-6____Boldenone Undecylenate (Equipoise) 400 mg ew
Week 5-10___Oxandrolone (Oxanabolic) 60 mg ed

Week 9-12___HCG 250 iu ed
Week 9-12___Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) 20 mg ed

PCT
Week 13-16__Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) 100/50/50/50
Week 13-16__Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) 40/40/20/20

II Cycle (2nd Option)
Bulking
Week 1-10___Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg ew (250x2)
Week 1-10___ Mesterolone (Proviron) 50 mg ed
Week 1-10___HCG 125 iu e3d
Week 1-6____Boldenone Undecylenate (Equipoise) 400 mg ew
Week 5-10___Oxandrolone (Oxanabolic) 60 mg ed

PCT
Week 13-16__Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) 100/50/50/50
Week 13-16__Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) 40/40/20/20

What cycle would you go through?
Any advices, remembering I am a martial artist?
Thank you.

[sirrah2508]

6 weeks of eq is not long enough eq should be run min 12 weeks IMO and if I were to use it I would not run it any lower than 600 mg/wk. Also I don't think hcg is necessary for your cycle your proposed pct should be good enough for you to recover

[in2shape]

Stats
37 years old
6'1½ Feet
Body Weight: 94 kg (206,8 lbs)
Body Fat: 12,3
Body Water: 63,5%

II Cycle (1st Option)
Bulking
Week 1-10___Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg ew (250x2)
Week 1-10___ Mesterolone (Proviron) 50 mg ed
Week 1-6____Boldenone Undecylenate (Equipoise) 400 mg ew
Week 5-10___Oxandrolone (Oxanabolic) 60 mg ed

few things , what was 1st cycle (ive seen your anavar thread is that your 1st cycle ??) eq dose is low id do 600mgew and eq needs 12 min id do 14 also saying that if u run the eq 12 run test 2 weeks past ... prviron im unsure of ....var dose is good just weeks wrong if u do 10 weeks test u run it past the test 2 weeks and str8 into your pct .... your pctshould look like nolva 40/20/20/20 clomid 150/100/50/50 id say hcg optional ....with the hcg id run it starting week 3 up to your pct @ 250ius twice weekly

Week 9-12___HCG 250 iu ed
Week 9-12___Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) 20 mg ed

PCT
Week 13-16__Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) 100/50/50/50
Week 13-16__Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) 40/40/20/20

II Cycle (2nd Option)
Bulking
Week 1-10___Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg ew (250x2)
Week 1-10___ Mesterolone (Proviron) 50 mg ed
Week 1-10___HCG 125 iu e3d
Week 1-6____Boldenone Undecylenate (Equipoise) 400 mg ew
Week 5-10___Oxandrolone (Oxanabolic) 60 mg ed

PCT
Week 13-16__Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) 100/50/50/50
Week 13-16__Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex) 40/40/20/20

What cycle would you go through?
Any advices, remembering I am a martial artist?
Thank you.

see blue above ^^^^

assuming your 1st cycle was var only and u state your a martial artist , id run test for 10-12 weeks with var or winnie @50mgs ed last 6 weeks of cycle (remember 2 weeks past the test and str8 into pct ) this will give u nice lean gains (diet dpendant) id stay away from dbols aboms anapolans etc alot of water bloat cramps pumps etc with eq (some loveit some hate it - some say 400mgs is good and some say 600mgs didnt see anything but appetite ) sooooo.....

heres a few cycles 2 yhink about

test e or c 1-10 500mgs /ew (what about prop for 8 weeks if u dont mind pinning)
var/winnie 6-12 50mgs/ed
(if u run the test 12 weeks start you choice of oral week 8)

or

test e/c 500mgs /ew 14 weeks
eq 400-600mgs ew 12 weeks


or

prop 100mgs eod 8 weeks (alot of pinning )
var 50mgs 8 weeks (long but many run it 8 weeks - how long did u run yours last time ??)


few ideas 4 ya

oh pct is nolva 40/20/20.20
lomid 150/100/50/50
hcg optional , protocol above

[marcus300]

If I remember your first cycle was var only in which you have good gains, with this in mind you dont need all those compounds for your second cycle, just stick with Test E 500mgs per wk - 10-12 weeks with a standard pct protocol nolva40/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50, if this is a bulking cycle just adjust your diet to suit your needs, this is all you need for a 2nd cycle following on from a var only cycle

[BJJ]

If I remember your first cycle was var only in which you have good gains, with this in mind you dont need all those compounds for your second cycle, just stick with Test E 500mgs per wk - 10-12 weeks with a standard pct protocol nolva40/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50, if this is a bulking cycle just adjust your diet to suit your needs, this is all you need for a 2nd cycle following on from a var only cycle

Yes you remember correctly, oxandrolone cycle with mesterolone.

I thought about adding those drugs for the following reasons:

MESTEROLONE: to get rid of excess water, prevent eventual gyno and for its ability to break the link between AAS-SHBG.
BOLDENONE: to increase RBC and perform better with cardio during my rolling with JJ and related training. Test en, even if one's diet is "perfect", increases the water percentage. At least this is what I have read so far.
OXANDROLONE: to cure and care about my tendons since I already solved with my previous cycle a pang which was bugging me since a year (elbow), and read that martial artists have tendons problems while using testosterone.

[BJJ]

see blue above ^^^^

assuming your 1st cycle was var only and u state your a martial artist , id run test for 10-12 weeks with var or winnie @50mgs ed last 6 weeks of cycle (remember 2 weeks past the test and str8 into pct ) this will give u nice lean gains (diet dpendant) id stay away from dbols aboms anapolans etc alot of water bloat cramps pumps etc with eq (some loveit some hate it - some say 400mgs is good and some say 600mgs didnt see anything but appetite ) sooooo.....

heres a few cycles 2 yhink about

test e or c 1-10 500mgs /ew (what about prop for 8 weeks if u dont mind pinning) I do not mind, just my supplier ran out of it
var/winnie 6-12 50mgs/ed these are 7 weeks while on my cycle I plan 6, as you said
(if u run the test 12 weeks start you choice of oral week 8) ok for that

or

test e/c 500mgs /ew 14 weeks too long for me
eq 400-600mgs ew 12 weeks


or

prop 100mgs eod 8 weeks (alot of pinning )
var 50mgs 8 weeks (long but many run it 8 weeks - how long did u run yours last time ??) I ran it 8 weeks but have experienced 6 weeks are enough with oxandrolone


few ideas 4 ya

oh pct is nolva 40/20/20.20
lomid 150/100/50/50
hcg optional , protocol above

bold
Thanks for the time you dedicated.

[BJJ]

6 weeks of eq is not long enough eq should be run min 12 weeks IMO and if I were to use it I would not run it any lower than 600 mg/wk. Also I don't think hcg is necessary for your cycle your proposed pct should be good enough for you to recover

How do you know I am not going to experience testicles shrinkage?

[D7M]

What are your goals with this cycle, BJJ?

I have to agree with Marcus on this one. I think you'll be very happy with a test only cycle: the well being you will feel, and the gains. And test is great cycle, even for a martial artist.

Try the test and see how it goes, you'll have plenty of other times to toss in other things.

[BJJ]

What are your goals with this cycle, BJJ?

I have to agree with Marcus on this one. I think you'll be very happy with a test only cycle: the well being you will feel, and the gains. And test is great cycle, even for a martial artist.

Try the test and see how it goes, you'll have plenty of other times to toss in other things.

Not even mesterolone throughout?

I would like to reach 100 kg and keep it after my cycle, now I am 94.
At the same time, I do not want to become a boat of water, unable to move and roll. That is why I thought about those compounds.

[chuckt12345]

agree with above,, just run test since you havent yet. ALso agree you dont need HCG unless you really care cosmetically that your balls are smaller

[Hazard]

I agree with marcus here..... I also don't see a problem with running the proviron.....

~Haz~

[marcus300]

Yes you can throw in some proviron along side the test cycle but I wouldnt add any other compounds IMHO.

[in2shape]

more is not necceasry best bro .... as others have said test alone is fine ... to help lessen bloat id go prop 8 weeks with the var for 6weeks ... normal pct clomid nolva hcg optional .... u can also run an ai , a-dex etc whilst on at .25 e3d as a start .... to keep gyno and bloat at bay .... if it worsens smack it on the head with nolva ...

no worries 4 the time

best

[Vitruvian-Man]

Test-E (weeks 1 - 12) @ 500mg EW
Proviron (weeks 1 - 14) @ 75 - 100mg ED
HCG (weeks 1 - 14) @ 250iu E3D

There is a quality 2nd cycle all laid out for you. Keep it simple.

You did a var only cycle. No point trying to use 3 - 4 compounds in your 2nd cycle.

good luck. Keep us updated.

BTW, EQ for 6 weeks is ridiculous. And a complete way of money.

[in2shape]

Test-E (weeks 1 - 12) @ 500mg EW
Proviron (weeks 1 - 14) @ 75 - 100mg ED
HCG (weeks 1 - 14) @ 250iu E3D

There is a quality 2nd cycle all laid out for you. Keep it simple.

You did a var only cycle. No point trying to use 3 - 4 compounds in your 2nd cycle.

good luck. Keep us updated.

BTW, EQ for 6 weeks is ridiculous. And a complete way of money.

just a question my leonardo davinci friend ..... y use hcg starting week 1 ???when it actually takes 2-3 weeks 4 test e/c to actually have a negative (well positve 4 steroid users ) effect on luetinizing /leydig cells etc??? imho u r wasting the 1st 2 weeks of hcg .... as your balls will not diminish in size until or abouts this time (2-3 weeks) hence u being shut down .....

just thought id put that out there

[BJJ]

just a question my leonardo davinci friend ..... y use hcg starting week 1 ???when it actually takes 2-3 weeks 4 test e/c to actually have a negative (well positve 4 steroid users ) effect on luetinizing /leydig cells etc??? imho u r wasting the 1st 2 weeks of hcg .... as your balls will not diminish in size until or abouts this time (2-3 weeks) hence u being shut down .....

just thought id put that out there

I was about to ask the same question.

[terraj]

Test and Proviron will give you what you are after.
.

Only add when needed.

[BJJ]

Test and Proviron will give you what you are after.
.

Only add when needed.

How about endurance in cardio? for example in specific exercies for speed and resistance where you are forced to jump from one movement (with or without weights) to another without rest?

You are a martial artist too and already did several cycles with test.
What is your experience in relation to my concern?

[terraj]

IMO the heavier your mass gets the worse your cardio....it's physics. I don't think any gear will improve cardio.

When jacked I had hella power when rolling, but cardio and technique dropped.

Maybe you did not want to hear that....

[BJJ]

IMO the heavier your mass gets the worse your cardio....it's physics. I don't think any gear will improve cardio.

When jacked I had hella power when rolling, but cardio and technique dropped.

Maybe you did not want to hear that....

No, I did not want to hear that no steroids will improve cardio...

However, by improving the RBC eq should.
Surely, EPO does.

[mg1228]

wanting to do 10 weeks test enan at 500 mg a week with winstrol tabs at 50mg last 4 weeks----did do a cycle 1 year ago that consisted of 600mg test cyp 500mg tren e ew for 12 weeks---got alot of back acne from that cycle---basically i want to avoid that this time around---of course this time only the test e-----what would u guys reccomend as far as keeping the acne at bay-----can get nolva---is there somethong better----will use nolva clomid for pct----my stats are 34 yr old 5'9 155lb at 7-8%bf been training 3 years straight----------------thanks for ur help

[E Police 183]

whoa MG why are you jacking someone elses thread??? start your own kid

[mg1228]

whoops---i was wondering why my post didnt show up on the forum----so sooooooooooory

[BJJ]

whoops---i was wondering why my post didnt show up on the forum----so sooooooooooory

you did not do it on purpose, so noooooooooooooooo problem.