HCG question

[panntastic]

hi gang in 3 weeks into a 500mg eq 500mg sust (25omg sunday morn and 250mg wednesday eve) 15 week course. last sunday i felt some discomfort in my balls (attrophy?) so i jabbed sub q 1000iu HCG and i also jabbed another 1000iu this wednesday just gone. tomorrow i was planning on pinning 500iu and another 500iu on wednesday then taking it right down to a maintainance dose of 250iu sundays and wednesdays up untill week before pct. what do you think is there any tweaking that can be done here do you think? is this to long a period of time to be using HCG due to desensetisation?
cycle is as folows:
weeks 1-5 50mg dbol daily
weeks 1-15 500mg sust (pinning 250mg sunday and 250mg wednesday)
weeks 1-15 500mg eq (pinning 250mg sunday and 250mg wednesday)
weeks 11-15 40mg winstrol daily
week 3 2x 1000iu hcg
week 4 2x 500iu hcg
week 5-17 250iu hcg twice a week
week 18 start heavy pct

please let me know what you think or could tweak with the hcg administration please guys

[panntastic]

bump for any help

[panntastic]

Somebody anybody want to put there 2cents in?

[FranciscoG]

Using EQ at that dosage will require you to start pct 3 weeks post your last shot.

Running hCG for 12+ weeks is counter productive with aas, IMO.

You body will shut down FSH production.

Why are you doing such a long cycle.

[panntastic]

I think 15 weeks of eq and sust is optimal to get all I can out of the eq do you not think?

[FranciscoG]

When do you see results from your cycles?

What weeks?

When do your gains platuea?

[panntastic]

I am under the impression that a simple 10 week cycle with eq isn't enough as gains don't appear for at least 8 weeks do you not belive in this theory?

[FranciscoG]

Is the whole reason to run the cycle for 15 weeks to see results from EQ?

[panntastic]

I don't get where your going with your questions dude? The 15 week eq sust cycle is a lean bulk cycle I have researched and under stood eq is great for a lean bulk but takes a while to get the full effect of the compound so longer than the standard 10 week cycle I have opted for a 15 week cycle. I started using hcg on week 3 at 1000iu twice a week, then week 4 500iu twice a week, then a small dose of 250iu twice a week up untill pct.

[FranciscoG]

Most people start seeing results from aas usage around week 3. Most people plateau in week 8.

Myostatin upregulates 56 days into a cycle, we know this from clinical studies done on males that use aas.

I have asked this same question from many other members, not just you. And, no one has stated that they seen major results all the sudden in week 13 (or what have you)

I personally do not like EQ due to the low results and long period of time it takes to kick in.

The whole using hCG on cycle. The people that endorse that have no clear time lines of use. In fact the advice on the boards is so broad that you need to hire someone to explain it to you. Which might be the reason why this course of action was written in the first place.

Administering hCG for 12+ plus with aas will cause you your body to shut down production of FSH. Long term hCG usage on cycles might have negative results. There was a thread here a week ago in which a member stated that he had secondary hypogonadism as a direct result of this course of action.

You should limit usage of hCG to less than 12 week.

Gynocomastia is a progressive condition. The estrogen that is directly generated by hCG usage will be a contributing factor to the condition with out tomax usage.

[panntastic]

You have just answered my question about prolonged hcg usage thank you very much. What is your protocol in adminsitration for hcg? I remember reading dr swales post on hcg admin and it seemed to make sense saying small dosages and shutting the barn door before before the horse has bolted so to speak. I just assumed he being a top endo dr he would be in pole position for giving advice out. As for the eq this is my first time using the compound I researched it for a while and I didn't want to do decca again I didn't like the sides I got from that (acne) so I thought I would try this compound out.
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[FranciscoG]

Usage of tomax with hCG to counter the progressive condition.

Limit usage to less than 12 weeks.

1000 IU 2-3 times a week is fine. HMG and DHEA are also nice additions.

I really need to write a full thread on it but I have to go to work. PM if you have detailed questions.